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Black Lives Matter "protest" lol...
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my thoughts are..... We All Bleed Red and the color of ones skin doesn't mean nuthin
- That is what the debate is for Klompen - so by all means de-bunk away - I'm happy to learn something from you -
- for I am no scientist - and can only reiterate what I can get around to study from the scientists - whether the scientists have some sort of supremacist agenda or not - I'm non the wiser - it would please me immensely to know that we are all just the same - so have no differences to compare or debate about at all -
*from wikipedia - Intelligence
See also: Neuroscience and intelligence § Brain size
Studies demonstrate a correlation between brain size and intelligence, with larger brains predicting higher intelligence. It is however not clear if the correlation is causal. The majority of MRI studies report moderate correlations around 0.3 to 0.4 between brain volume and intelligence. The most consistent associations are observed within the frontal, temporal, and parietal lobes, the hippocampus, and the cerebellum, but only account for a relatively small amount of variance in IQ, which suggests that while brain size may be related to human intelligence, other factors also play a role. In addition, brain volumes do not correlate strongly with other and more specific cognitive measures. In men, IQ correlates more with gray matter volume in the frontal lobe and parietal lobe, which is roughly involved in sensory integration and attention, whereas in women it correlates with gray matter volume in the frontal lobe and Broca's area, which is involved in language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain...between,between brain volume and intelligence.
- for I am no scientist - and can only reiterate what I can get around to study from the scientists - whether the scientists have some sort of supremacist agenda or not - I'm non the wiser - it would please me immensely to know that we are all just the same - so have no differences to compare or debate about at all -
*from wikipedia - Intelligence
See also: Neuroscience and intelligence § Brain size
Studies demonstrate a correlation between brain size and intelligence, with larger brains predicting higher intelligence. It is however not clear if the correlation is causal. The majority of MRI studies report moderate correlations around 0.3 to 0.4 between brain volume and intelligence. The most consistent associations are observed within the frontal, temporal, and parietal lobes, the hippocampus, and the cerebellum, but only account for a relatively small amount of variance in IQ, which suggests that while brain size may be related to human intelligence, other factors also play a role. In addition, brain volumes do not correlate strongly with other and more specific cognitive measures. In men, IQ correlates more with gray matter volume in the frontal lobe and parietal lobe, which is roughly involved in sensory integration and attention, whereas in women it correlates with gray matter volume in the frontal lobe and Broca's area, which is involved in language.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain...between,between brain volume and intelligence.
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Just like all things our genetic traits have changed over time. A new study in Nature argues that this oasis, known as the Makgadikgadi–Okavango wetland, was not just any home, but the ancestral “homeland” for all modern humans today. “We all came from the same homeland in southern Africa,” says Vanessa Hayes of the Garvan Institute of Medical Research in Australia, who led the new research.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...udy-pinpoints-birthplace-modern-humans/#close
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...udy-pinpoints-birthplace-modern-humans/#close
Grover Dill
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It's kinda hard to take National Geographic seriously these days.
Source - The Alternative Hypothesis
Alt Hype is like climate denial for race realists.
The info I posted came from the Garvan Institute of Medical Research in Australia, NGI is just 1 that published it. If you read NGI the info they publish originates from others. I enjoy reading NGI.
CaptainDankness
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Definitely a lot of Neo-Communist propaganda for sure. Haven't really seen white supremacy, when it comes to IQ the Asians win, it's why they kick our ass with Honda and Toyota.
in the end it really shouldn't matter whether we are different or how. we should all be ready to work for an equal society where everyone gets the same chances, is treated the same.
men and woman are different too, its not an insurmountable problem. but it seems to me, no facts should be forbidden. how else can you come up with equitable and most importantly funtional, answers and sollutions to the problems faced by many minorities and poor if you ignore pertinnent facts.
men and woman are different too, its not an insurmountable problem. but it seems to me, no facts should be forbidden. how else can you come up with equitable and most importantly funtional, answers and sollutions to the problems faced by many minorities and poor if you ignore pertinnent facts.
- De-bunk it then man - what is this about refuting something - without any real details - other than the usual claiming its propaganda from some neo-nazi? - calling something a bunch of names is easy -
- take it apart - and show us all where it is wrong/incorrect - or just plain lies -
- after all it is just a : Hypothesis
- supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation
- a proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth.
- take it apart - and show us all where it is wrong/incorrect - or just plain lies -
- after all it is just a : Hypothesis
- supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation
- a proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth.
Can you quote some of that propaganda for us?
'Boogieman'
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Brains will only get you so far in life. I would rather have stronger bone density and easier to build muscle. So basically white people are weaker built? What about Mexican and Indian?
some of that stuff about brain weight seems sligtly ridiculous to me 
seen some pretty big skulls on both races. wouldn't size dictate brain size/weight? also there is surely no relation between size of brain and iq?
we shouldn't disscount facts, but we should be sure of them on such a touchy topic imo.
seen some pretty big skulls on both races. wouldn't size dictate brain size/weight? also there is surely no relation between size of brain and iq?
we shouldn't disscount facts, but we should be sure of them on such a touchy topic imo.
Yes - I'll agree - it does seem odd - but I think that they might make their calculations based 1000's of skulls and brains studied - so they develop a mean average - to arrive at their conclusions -
- the boffins (scientists) have been looking at this for a very long time - and there are many who support the view that brain/cranial size can make a difference to human intelligence - how much of a difference - is debateable -
- Does Brain Size Matter? -
''While “size does not matter” is a universally preached dictum among the politically correct, everyday experience tells us that this can’t be the whole story—under many conditions, it clearly does. Consider the size of Woody Allen’s second favorite organ, the brain. Adjectives such as “highbrow” and “lowbrow” have their origin in the belief, much expounded by 19th-century phrenologists, of a close correspondence between a high forehead—that is, a big brain—and intelligence. Is this true? Does a bigger brain make you necessarily smarter or wiser? And is there any simple connection between the size of a nervous system, however measured, and the mental powers of the owner of this nervous system? While the answer to the first question is a conditional “yes, somewhat,” the lack of any accepted answer to the second query reveals our ignorance of how intelligent behavior comes about.
- BIGGER IS SLIGHTLY BETTER. -
The human brain continues to grow until it reaches its peak size in the third to fourth decade of life. An MRI study of 46 adults of mainly European descent found that the average male had a brain volume of 1,274 cubic centimeters (cm3) and that the average female brain measured 1,131 cm3. Given that a quart of milk equals 946 cm3, you could pour a bit more than that into a skull without any of it spilling out. Of course, there is considerable variability in brain volume, ranging from 1,053 to 1,499 cm3 in men and between 975 and 1,398 cm3 in women. As the density of brain matter is just a little bit above that of water plus some salts, the average male brain weighs about 1,325 grams, close to the proverbial three pounds often cited in U.S. texts.
Removing brains after their owners died revealed that Russian novelist Ivan Turgenev’s brain broke the two-kilogram barrier, coming in at 2,021 grams, whereas writer Anatole France’s brain could barely bring half of that weight to the scale at 1,017 grams. (Note that postmortem measures are not directly comparable to data obtained from living brains.) In other words, gross brain size varies considerably across healthy adults.
What about smarts? We all know from our day-to-day interactions that some people just don’t get it and take a long time to understand a new concept; others have great mental powers, although it is impolite to dwell on such differences too much. Think of Bertie Wooster, an idle but clueless rich man, and Jeeves, his genius valet, in a series of novels by P. G. Wodehouse and their successful British adaptation to the small screen.
Individuals differ in their ability to understand new ideas, to adapt to new environments, to learn from experience, to think abstractly, to plan and to reason. Psychologists have sought to capture these differences in mental capacities via a number of closely related concepts such as general intelligence (g, or general cognitive ability) and fluid and crystalline intelligence. These differences in people’s ability to figure things out on the spot and to retain and apply insights that they learned in the past to current circumstances are assessed by psychometric intelligence tests. These observations are reliable, in that different tests strongly correlate with one another. They are also stable across decades. That is, measures such as the intelligence quotient (IQ) can be repeatedly and reliably obtained from the same subjects nearly 70 years later.
Differences in general intelligence, assessed in this way, correlate with success in life, with social mobility and job performance, with health and with life span. In a study of one million Swedish men, an increase in IQ by one standard deviation, a measure of variability, was associated with an amazing 32 percent reduction in mortality. Smarter people do better in life. Whereas a high IQ may not predispose people to be happy or to understand the finer points of dating, the highly intelligent are more likely to be found among hedge fund managers than among supermarket checkout clerks.
What about any numerical relation between brain size and intelligence? Such correlations were difficult to establish in the past when only pathologists had access to skulls and their content. With structural MRI imaging of brain anatomy, such measurements are now routine.
- In healthy volunteers, total brain volume weakly correlates with intelligence, with a correlation value between 0.3 and 0.4 out of a possible 1.0. In other words, brain size accounts for between 9 and 16 percent of the overall variability in general intelligence.
Functional scans, used to look for brain areas linked to particular mental activities, reveal that the parietal, temporal and frontal regions of the cortex, along with the thickness of these regions, correlate with intelligence but, again, only modestly so. Thus, on average, a bigger brain is associated with somewhat higher intelligence. Whether a big brain causes high intelligence or, more likely, whether both are caused by other factors remains unknown.
Recent experiments take into account the particular connections among neurons in certain regions of an individual’s brain, much like a neural fingerprint. They do better at predicting fluid intelligence (the capacity to solve problems in novel situations, to find and match patterns, to reason independently of specific domains of knowledge), explaining about 25 percent of the variance in this measure from one person to the next.
Our ignorance when it comes to how intelligence arises from the brain is accentuated by several further observations. As alluded to earlier, the adult male’s brain is 150 grams heavier than the female’s organ. In the neocortex, the part of the forebrain responsible for perception, memory, language and reasoning, this disparity translates to 23 billion neurons for men versus 19 billion for women. As no difference exists in the average IQ between the two genders, why is there a difference in the basic number of switching elements?
It is also well established that the cranial capacity of Homo neanderthalensis, the proverbial caveman, was 150 to 200 cm3 bigger than that of modern humans. Yet despite their larger brain, Neandertals became extinct between 35,000 and 40,000 years ago, when Homo sapiens shared their European environment. What’s the point of having big brains if your small-brained cousins outcompete you?
* Hmmm - interesting - so what I get from this article is that yes - brain size does have some bearing on intelligence -
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-brain-size-matter1/
- the boffins (scientists) have been looking at this for a very long time - and there are many who support the view that brain/cranial size can make a difference to human intelligence - how much of a difference - is debateable -
- Does Brain Size Matter? -
''While “size does not matter” is a universally preached dictum among the politically correct, everyday experience tells us that this can’t be the whole story—under many conditions, it clearly does. Consider the size of Woody Allen’s second favorite organ, the brain. Adjectives such as “highbrow” and “lowbrow” have their origin in the belief, much expounded by 19th-century phrenologists, of a close correspondence between a high forehead—that is, a big brain—and intelligence. Is this true? Does a bigger brain make you necessarily smarter or wiser? And is there any simple connection between the size of a nervous system, however measured, and the mental powers of the owner of this nervous system? While the answer to the first question is a conditional “yes, somewhat,” the lack of any accepted answer to the second query reveals our ignorance of how intelligent behavior comes about.
- BIGGER IS SLIGHTLY BETTER. -
The human brain continues to grow until it reaches its peak size in the third to fourth decade of life. An MRI study of 46 adults of mainly European descent found that the average male had a brain volume of 1,274 cubic centimeters (cm3) and that the average female brain measured 1,131 cm3. Given that a quart of milk equals 946 cm3, you could pour a bit more than that into a skull without any of it spilling out. Of course, there is considerable variability in brain volume, ranging from 1,053 to 1,499 cm3 in men and between 975 and 1,398 cm3 in women. As the density of brain matter is just a little bit above that of water plus some salts, the average male brain weighs about 1,325 grams, close to the proverbial three pounds often cited in U.S. texts.
Removing brains after their owners died revealed that Russian novelist Ivan Turgenev’s brain broke the two-kilogram barrier, coming in at 2,021 grams, whereas writer Anatole France’s brain could barely bring half of that weight to the scale at 1,017 grams. (Note that postmortem measures are not directly comparable to data obtained from living brains.) In other words, gross brain size varies considerably across healthy adults.
What about smarts? We all know from our day-to-day interactions that some people just don’t get it and take a long time to understand a new concept; others have great mental powers, although it is impolite to dwell on such differences too much. Think of Bertie Wooster, an idle but clueless rich man, and Jeeves, his genius valet, in a series of novels by P. G. Wodehouse and their successful British adaptation to the small screen.
Individuals differ in their ability to understand new ideas, to adapt to new environments, to learn from experience, to think abstractly, to plan and to reason. Psychologists have sought to capture these differences in mental capacities via a number of closely related concepts such as general intelligence (g, or general cognitive ability) and fluid and crystalline intelligence. These differences in people’s ability to figure things out on the spot and to retain and apply insights that they learned in the past to current circumstances are assessed by psychometric intelligence tests. These observations are reliable, in that different tests strongly correlate with one another. They are also stable across decades. That is, measures such as the intelligence quotient (IQ) can be repeatedly and reliably obtained from the same subjects nearly 70 years later.
Differences in general intelligence, assessed in this way, correlate with success in life, with social mobility and job performance, with health and with life span. In a study of one million Swedish men, an increase in IQ by one standard deviation, a measure of variability, was associated with an amazing 32 percent reduction in mortality. Smarter people do better in life. Whereas a high IQ may not predispose people to be happy or to understand the finer points of dating, the highly intelligent are more likely to be found among hedge fund managers than among supermarket checkout clerks.
What about any numerical relation between brain size and intelligence? Such correlations were difficult to establish in the past when only pathologists had access to skulls and their content. With structural MRI imaging of brain anatomy, such measurements are now routine.
- In healthy volunteers, total brain volume weakly correlates with intelligence, with a correlation value between 0.3 and 0.4 out of a possible 1.0. In other words, brain size accounts for between 9 and 16 percent of the overall variability in general intelligence.
Functional scans, used to look for brain areas linked to particular mental activities, reveal that the parietal, temporal and frontal regions of the cortex, along with the thickness of these regions, correlate with intelligence but, again, only modestly so. Thus, on average, a bigger brain is associated with somewhat higher intelligence. Whether a big brain causes high intelligence or, more likely, whether both are caused by other factors remains unknown.
Recent experiments take into account the particular connections among neurons in certain regions of an individual’s brain, much like a neural fingerprint. They do better at predicting fluid intelligence (the capacity to solve problems in novel situations, to find and match patterns, to reason independently of specific domains of knowledge), explaining about 25 percent of the variance in this measure from one person to the next.
Our ignorance when it comes to how intelligence arises from the brain is accentuated by several further observations. As alluded to earlier, the adult male’s brain is 150 grams heavier than the female’s organ. In the neocortex, the part of the forebrain responsible for perception, memory, language and reasoning, this disparity translates to 23 billion neurons for men versus 19 billion for women. As no difference exists in the average IQ between the two genders, why is there a difference in the basic number of switching elements?
It is also well established that the cranial capacity of Homo neanderthalensis, the proverbial caveman, was 150 to 200 cm3 bigger than that of modern humans. Yet despite their larger brain, Neandertals became extinct between 35,000 and 40,000 years ago, when Homo sapiens shared their European environment. What’s the point of having big brains if your small-brained cousins outcompete you?
* Hmmm - interesting - so what I get from this article is that yes - brain size does have some bearing on intelligence -
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-brain-size-matter1/
some of that stuff about brain weight seems sligtly ridiculous to me
seen some pretty big skulls on both races. wouldn't size dictate brain size/weight? also there is surely no relation between size of brain and iq?
we shouldn't disscount facts, but we should be sure of them on such a touchy topic imo.
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you want me to explain how race realism isn't scientific? i think the race realists do a fine job of debunking themselves.
Switcher56
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Dunno good buddy. There is plenty of evidence of folks having a normal cranium, that only contains a "pea" size brain, across the ENTIRE planet. Entire means, not racially related.some of that stuff about brain weight seems sligtly ridiculous to me
seen some pretty big skulls on both races. wouldn't size dictate brain size/weight? also there is surely no relation between size of brain and iq?
we shouldn't disscount facts, but we should be sure of them on such a touchy topic imo.
- I had to look up what race realism was first - that's a new one -
- what I'm trying to do here is attempting to find out if there is any correlation between increased violence and intelligence - and if certain ethnicities are more predisposed to violence because of their lack of it - also if there are any big differences in brain function, anatomy and chemistry that might make one group more violent than another -
- After observing these stats on the DOJ site : https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43 - and realizing that there is a big disparity on violent crimes between various ethnicities - it propelled me to look deeper into the matter -
- What I find seems worthy of a debate - even if it is to debunk the claims of the 'scientists' who's words/graphs I put here -
- what I'm trying to do here is attempting to find out if there is any correlation between increased violence and intelligence - and if certain ethnicities are more predisposed to violence because of their lack of it - also if there are any big differences in brain function, anatomy and chemistry that might make one group more violent than another -
- After observing these stats on the DOJ site : https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43 - and realizing that there is a big disparity on violent crimes between various ethnicities - it propelled me to look deeper into the matter -
- What I find seems worthy of a debate - even if it is to debunk the claims of the 'scientists' who's words/graphs I put here -
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Sunshineinabag
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Wrong my friend...brains are what keep wise humans alive and canon fodder feeding the soil.
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