Any one else here tired of getting the the run around when you ask a fert. question?

shaggyballs said:

I just browsed through the high P thread and I don't see glow in there at all.

It is funny, all of the helpful people have been banned.

I must say spurr was very insightful and extremly helpful.
But he is gone.

yosemite sam was helpful also, but rarely here.
He did lay down the numbers and proved low P will yield good results.

Big props to those guys, I did gain knowledge from them.

It seems between spurr's formulas and yosemite sam's testing with pics those two seem to have had it covered.

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shaggyballs said:

I have noticed a trend here at Icmag.
When you ask a valid question, some folks here jump in quickly and toss around big words and insult you to throw you off track and never give you a straight answer.

I will use Glow as just one example, he is not here to help anyone.
I thought this community was supposed to work together to further our knowledge and educate the less knowledgeable.

I have reduced my time here because of this sort of thing and I think it is a real problem.

What do you think about this issue?
Shag

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Avenger said:

Glows last post was over two years ago.

what a fucking waste of space from a no talent know nothing this thread is and will always be.

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progro said:

i did 7lbs last run with 2 plants and 2 lights.... yep he knows his shit.

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Easy7 said:

If you want fert facts, don't read much on ganja forums. Plenty of good science elsewhere. I had to stop growing to learn to grow. It's not just a stoned thing to do, growing. It's a schedule and a science.

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Switcher56 said:

7#s dry or collected weight?

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Only Ornamental said:

I haven't had much luck finding proper and proven micronutrient ratios and concentrations here on ICMag, let alone reasons why this or that has to be the way it is. The aformentioned book by Benton was/is a real treasure, though.
Anyway, I got my own, yet to be tested, range for nutrients based on recent publications on general plant physiology & hydroponics as well as cannabis and hemp tissue mineral analyses, data on field grown hemp, and some though scarce scientific work on cannabis and hemp. These data resulted in a possibility range as follows:
Element: Lower ppm range / Upper ppm range

N: 100-140 / 200-300
P: 30-50 / 60-80 (10-20 theoretically sufficient in hydro)
K: 150 / 200-300
Ca: 100-120 / 200-400 (in hydro 200-300 why so ever I don't know)
Mg: 30-40 / 50-100
S: 10-20 / 30-70 (in hydro 70-150 and even <400 is tolerated but only used as a result of salt availability)
Si: 10 / 100 (for hemp only ~15)
B: 0.06-0.2 / 0.4-1 (up to 2 in organic matter rich soil)
Cu: 0.01-0.05 / 0.1-0.7 (up to 4 in organic matter rich soil, though cannabis tolerates way more)
Cl: <25 / <75 (75 for hemp, 10-20 in hydro and for better burning quality)
Fe: 1-2 / 3-5 (in recirculating hydro up to 12 due to de-chelation and subsequent oxidation & precipitation, for best cannabinoid quality allegedly 5)
Mn: 0.3-0.5 / 1-2 (2-8 in organic matter rich soil)
Mo: 0.001-0.04 / 0.05-0.2
Na: <30 / <50 (nearly zero for hemp)
Zn: 0.05-0.1 / 0.2-0.7 (0.2 for sinsemilla sufficient, in recirculating hydro <0.1 if Fe used in chelated form, up to 0.7 based on nutrient ratio)

Mn/Fe/B/Zn/Cu-ratio: 6-8:5-15:5-10:4:1

Though I or someone else will have to test this first...

A point which still isn't very clear to me if I solely look at findings here on ICMag and certain types of literature is the N/K ratio. Possibly because some talk of N/K and others of K/N but use the same numbers or use K2O instead of elemental K??? Some mentioned N/K = 1.6-2.2 though 0.9-1.2 seems more likely to me whilst latter findings point even to something as low as 0.5 especially during flowering.

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shaggyballs said:

I have noticed a trend here at Icmag.
When you ask a valid question, some folks here jump in quickly and toss around big words and insult you to throw you off track and never give you a straight answer.

I will use Glow as just one example, he is not here to help anyone.
I thought this community was supposed to work together to further our knowledge and educate the less knowledgeable.

I have reduced my time here because of this sort of thing and I think it is a real problem.

What do you think about this issue?
Shag

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Easy7 said:

Just remember that online is a lot of OPINIONS dribbled with semi facts, and some hard facts intermixed.

Someone like me may have read and believed a lie. The one thing that got better on the forums is there is more concrete evidence to back up facts. Lot's of us got older and wiser than og days. Better read than justnstarting out.

If you want fert facts, don't read much on ganja forums. Plenty of good science elsewhere. I had to stop growing to learn to grow. It's not just a stoned thing to do, growing. It's a schedule and a science.

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BillFarthing said:

I came from a place where growing was verboten. Everything was talking in code, where even a wink and a nudge would get you in trouble.

Books and science journals became my friend. Hydroponics: A Practical Guide for the Soilless Grower by J Benton Jones Jr. was my bible. I tried to learn "why" instead of following a feed schedule or being a fan boy.

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green404 said:

I am new to this forum but have used internet forums for years and see very common patterns in them. Many people wander tru forums as a way to educate themselves, good forum users will usually try to give a little back
Most forum users move on because they have educated themselves. Ones that stay usually want a social interaction and community.

Many like to be the "expert" and talk down to "newbs" or anyone they can one up.

Just my .02

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progro said:

Manicured and dried mate.

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