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AAA Safety Foundation Finds No Scientific Basis That THC In Blood Impairs Driving

shaggyballs

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No scientific basis exists to legitimize current THC testing in place in five states who base their impaired driving standards on THC levels in blood. According to a study from auto club giant AAA’s safety foundation, a blood test threshold for THC - the chemical component of cannabis that makes people ‘high’ - is simply not scientifically possible.

Yet, in five of six states where cannabis is legal, the tests are used to determine whether or not drivers should be considered impaired. Those tests employ a blood level-based judgment similar to that used for determining alcohol impairment. But AAA found such tests for THC are wholly unreliable - sending potentially unimpaired drivers to jail and putting impaired drivers back behind the wheel.

“There is understandably a strong desire by both lawmakers and the public to create legal limits for marijuana impairment in the same manner we do alcohol,” said AAA president and CEO, Marshall Doney, as reported by the Associated Press. “In the case of marijuana this approach is flawed and not supported by scientific research.”

After discovering the tests had no value, the safety foundation recommended Colorado, Montana, Nevada, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Washington simply ditch their THC impairment testing laws - and that other states considering similar laws abandon the proposed legislation.

As the study notes, determining actual impairment from THC consumption is quite different than for alcohol. Tolerance for the chemical would mean though a regular cannabis user might have high blood levels of THC, they are perfectly safe behind the wheel - while a relatively low THC blood level could be found in someone unfit to drive.

Instead of what amounts to arbitrary blood testing, AAA recommends specialized law enforcement officers who would better observe behavior as a determination of impairment, which would then be backed up by THC blood testing.

As the AP noted, nine states - even some with legalized medicinal cannabis - currently have zero-tolerance policies in place for THC-impaired driving. Those states’ laws include not only blood testing for THC, but also for its metabolites which can persist in blood long after the last use of cannabis.

Obviously, explained New York University professor and specialist in drug issues and criminal policy, Mark A. R. Kleiman, such laws make no sense.

“A law against driving with THC in your bloodstream is not a law you can know you are obeying except by never smoking marijuana or never driving,” he explained. Kleiman, however, disagrees with AAA’s recommendation to adjust current laws, and instead feels such offenses should by traffic violations.

According to Kleiman, compared to other potentially dangerous impairments, cannabis is likely the least offensive on the list. While some studies showed roughly double the risk of accidents caused by cannabis impairment, nationally-legal hands-free cellphone usage quadruples the crash risk - and blood alcohol content of .12 increases accident risk 15-fold.

A “noisy child in the back of the car” presents the same increased dangers as driving under the influence of cannabis, Kleiman said - noting an exception would be use of both cannabis and alcohol together, which would greatly increase impairment.

Clearly, ineffectual and illegitimate laws that senselessly send people to jail need to be abandoned with a quickness - and the AAA safety foundation’s findings on THC blood impairment testing would be a fantastic place to start.
 

mowood3479

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That's cool that someone bothered to study what any regular smoker knows... I'm sure it will be promptly buried as the govt seeks to up revenue from cannabis dui's.
At least that's my grumpy pessimistic take
 

armedoldhippy

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That's cool that someone bothered to study what any regular smoker knows... I'm sure it will be promptly buried as the govt seeks to up revenue from cannabis dui's.
At least that's my grumpy pessimistic take

yup. gotta keep those jail cells at least 90% full per their contract or "POOF" goes the private prison industry. they will keep their boots on our necks one way or the other for as LONG AS WE LET THEM.
 

FireIn.TheSky

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It's just a new way for them to fuck you up the ass, fine you piles of money and ruin your life. You got legal weed and you asked for regulation the same as alcohol. Now they will spank your ass like they caught drinking a beer behind the wheel.

There has been a lot of talk lately about a marijuana breathalyzer.
 

40AmpstoFreedom

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16 years of stoned driving here...0 accidents that were my fault. Had someone blow a red light when I was a kid and I couldn't see around a 20 yard dumpster on the right to catch her so that was my only accident. It affects my driving about as much as fuckin coffee does with similar strength high and health 'risks' attached to it. Typical nanny state government bullshit.
 

brown_thumb

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What is wrong with this forum??? First a duplicate hiccup then both posts edited???

Let's try again...

I know a guy who drives drunk and stoned. He can drive 'okay' if he drinks a 'little'. He can drive 'okay' if moderately stoned. But he can't drive worth a damn if he's been drinking AND is stoned. He also messes with his phone while he drives. Yes... a real MORON!!

AND...now my next post keeps following THIS EDIT???????????????
 
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soil margin

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Honestly if a cop had to watch 10 stoned drivers and 10 sober drivers for an hour, I guarantee he would say the stoned drivers were safer. Sober drivers are always careless/reckless/speeding/ignoring traffic laws. People don't drive like that when they get real stoned. They usually slow down and drive extra careful.
 

Bud Green

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look at that... 11 comments on the first page.. thought it only went to 10 per page now...

Anyway,,, please do not try to justify that that stoned drivers are safer than non-stoned drivers...

That's just BS, and anyone here with a lick of sense knows it...
 

soil margin

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look at that... 11 comments on the first page.. thought it only went to 10 per page now...

Anyway,,, please do not try to justify that that stoned drivers are safer than non-stoned drivers...

That's just BS, and anyone here with a lick of sense knows it...

I didn't "try to justify" anything lol. Do you know what the word 'justify' means?

I explained that stoned drivers are more careful, which they are, and anyone with a lick of sense knows it...
 

brown_thumb

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Honestly if a cop had to watch 10 stoned drivers and 10 sober drivers for an hour, I guarantee he would say the stoned drivers were safer. Sober drivers are always careless/reckless/speeding/ignoring traffic laws. People don't drive like that when they get real stoned. They usually slow down and drive extra careful.

I didn't "try to justify" anything lol. Do you know what the word 'justify' means?

I explained that stoned drivers are more careful, which they are, and anyone with a lick of sense knows it...

So do a lot of drunks.
 

paper thorn

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quit trying to act like a driver who's smoked pot is a danger.

It does not make you drunk.

i would never drive without smoking first.

I know a guy though, who would never smoke before driving, or until all his work is done, because he says he gets 'blasted'! lol.
I tell him to grow up and quit acting like that kid on the bus who used to say, "i got sooo stoned man, I'm gonna go listen to some Black Saabbath maaan!"
but he's 73.

maybe you're like him.
 

seeded

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Driving under the influence of cannabis shouldn't be encouraged even if it technically makes people better drivers. Honestly half the reason it makes you "better" is because the shit makes you too paranoid to take risks such as going at the speed limit in case you accidentally go over and then get pulled over and drug tested. You don't trust yourself and you certainly don't trust anyone else on the road either which admittedly is a healthy attitude to have when everyone's behind the wheel of 1.5 tonnes of rolling death around you but that feeling should me momentary and not permanent which can come when high. It's an all round awful experience that safety issues aside should still be recommended against as it'll send you bonkers or give you a great hatred towards humanity in the long run.
 

paper thorn

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seriously, i think you were being sarcastic and funny, right?

No paranoia, no 'trying to drive safe', just driving.
 
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