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Does anyone have info on testing equipment for mmj
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Primalraindrop
Member
as a courtesy im gonna respond. People dont usually answer questions like that from people with 20 posts... I would suggest becoming part of the family. and im sure if you stick around you will learn plenty!
rob feature
Member
You'll need chromatography equipment for starters. Hope you have deep pockets. And I'm gonna guess since you have to ask such a question, you may not be qualified to operate this equipment. Students in my department don't get to touch this sort of thing until graduate study.
just do a basic web search in ANY medical state for testing labs.
if you have money then hire someone to advise you on issues related to this specific industry.
just one from a search....... analytical 360
if you have money then hire someone to advise you on issues related to this specific industry.
just one from a search....... analytical 360
Just cuz I have a few post does not mean I haven't been around. Ive been around lurking since overgrow. I've had an account here but deleted it a while ago. I just moved to CO, from the South, so now I can post and be part of the community. Ill post pics and update my profile when I have time!
Thanks for your reply
Thanks for your reply
Shimadzu Scientific Instruments
gc / lc / ms
gc / lc / ms
if your asking here you aint ready.....a simple call to any lab asking their methods of testing or a web search would provide all you need....you aint ready
you can buy one:
http://www.gentechscientific.com/category/sub/gentech-master-gc-systems
i think the difficult part is in the calibration. i mean what does one use for a standard of thc, cbd, etc? pesticides are a whole other story.
some reading:
http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~keller/courses/esm223/GC_analysis.pdf
http://www.gentechscientific.com/category/sub/gentech-master-gc-systems
i think the difficult part is in the calibration. i mean what does one use for a standard of thc, cbd, etc? pesticides are a whole other story.
some reading:
http://www2.bren.ucsb.edu/~keller/courses/esm223/GC_analysis.pdf
Since when did a persons post count determine ones need for information??? 
SirStynkalot
Member
Yeah I don't get that either.
I WILL say if you want that job done RIGHT you'll probably have to pay someone else to do it. Mr. Rob got it right - running chemical analysis tests isn't like running a still in your back yard.
I WILL say if you want that job done RIGHT you'll probably have to pay someone else to do it. Mr. Rob got it right - running chemical analysis tests isn't like running a still in your back yard.
don't underestimate the complexities of running a still in your backyard yard! and don't underestimate people.
rob feature
Member
don't underestimate the complexities of running a still in your backyard yard! and don't underestimate people.
I hope I'm not coming off as too harsh here, but anyone looking to run a testing lab should have a strong chemistry background & probably heavy botany. A person with this background would not ask such questions on a pot forum. It isn't necessary. You already know what you need through your training.
We're talking about a lab which will be asked for the public's trust as I assume this is for cannabis which will be sold to the public through a legitimate outlet. Sure, someone with little to no training can probably figure out how to get some of the equipment working. But it doesn't make the person qualified to run a testing lab whose results the public will be asked to trust.
If you're looking for a job doing this type of thing, typically you'll need a BS in chemistry plus a few years work experience just to get your foot in the door. Many will ask for a MS or PhD. You'd definitely need a PhD or some equivalent to oversee the lab. A startup lab will require lots of experience from the start - more than it sounds like the OP has. I'm not trying to bust balls. But I'm not gonna sugarcoat either. I think an honest question deserves an honest answer.
AuctionBDI.com sells some surplus analytical equipment for killer prices. They're a surplus re-seller in Silicon Valley, they have auctions on the boxes of tech stuff they get from tech companies like HP.
http://www.auctionBDI.com/
I noticed once they had an HP Gas Chromatograph listed.
BUT - I think if you talk to someone like Josh at SC Labs, that they know their chemistry upside down left right and backwards.
I recently decided to update my own chemistry education. I'm about 2/3 of the way through 'Tro', the author for a first year chem. course that is for students on the "science-track" (heavy duty).
Only 3 1/4 years left - and I'll have a knowledge level comparable so someone with a BS in chemistry !
What I mean to say is - there's some heavy duty learning & studying involved in running a Cannabis-oriented chem lab.
You're looking at around 50k for a basic setup...Running something like and Agilent 1100. But like everyone else on here said you should get someone on board with the education end experience in doing this sort of work. There are procedures that need to be done over and above just running the machine and reading the screen.
rarelylucid
New member
Rob - while i agree the miquiztli doesn't seem to have solid footing on opening a lab and i also agree that people testing medical cannabis "should" have proper training and a stack of degree's, In my personal experience if your willing to get hexane poisoning from making the controls or simply have some friends in the industry you'll be welcomed with open arms. trained in how prepare, stage, and run a test. how to print the results and package them for the customer ( the dispensary).
SirStynkalot
Member
Probably shouldn't rez the dead...
You can probably slide in without having the proper training or experience but you're not going to be able to offer reliable services. You'll just be throwing money down the drain as soon as these places start getting regulated. Doing chemical analysis testing without a PhD is a REALLY, REALLY BAD IDEA. You can't just substitute marketing for knowing how to do the job properly, regardless of what the rest of this industry seems to think.
As an aside there are people who have been doing just that in my area and it has destroyed the reputations of the dispensaries that bought their services. You don't want to buy weed from someone whose test results are based on the number of tests they order. A guy I know did a double blind test selling weed to two different dispensaries that both were tested by the same company. One listed his product at like 18% THC, the other at 13%. That's fucking clown shoes. People pay so much for quality assurance because it's important and difficult enough to be worth outsourcing.
Also, don't order testing from Analytical360 on the eastern side of WA. None of the quality, none of the assurance, and until a few months ago they didn't even have a decent machine. Don't know how they've stayed in business for years.
You can probably slide in without having the proper training or experience but you're not going to be able to offer reliable services. You'll just be throwing money down the drain as soon as these places start getting regulated. Doing chemical analysis testing without a PhD is a REALLY, REALLY BAD IDEA. You can't just substitute marketing for knowing how to do the job properly, regardless of what the rest of this industry seems to think.
As an aside there are people who have been doing just that in my area and it has destroyed the reputations of the dispensaries that bought their services. You don't want to buy weed from someone whose test results are based on the number of tests they order. A guy I know did a double blind test selling weed to two different dispensaries that both were tested by the same company. One listed his product at like 18% THC, the other at 13%. That's fucking clown shoes. People pay so much for quality assurance because it's important and difficult enough to be worth outsourcing.
Also, don't order testing from Analytical360 on the eastern side of WA. None of the quality, none of the assurance, and until a few months ago they didn't even have a decent machine. Don't know how they've stayed in business for years.
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I know 2 labs and they are both ran and owned by chemists its not something you can just throw money at and know what your doing to any tests your conducting .its advanced testing for trace elements like pestisides and mold traces etc .its just not bumping a dump in a tube and incinerating it to get a gas count and a chromatic reading .its a whole lot more .if your going to do it as a state certifiable lab testing sight you better get a real chemist on board .aloha cls
rarelylucid
New member
In time I hope the testing can be more homogenized and stable but with all the players running their own games and little regulation the patients can only trust and cross their fingers. What this reminds me of is the decades before the FDA got powerful, lots of marketing with transparency of practices.
