The Past, the Present, and the Future of Cannabis Breeding

The HashMan · Feb 27, 2021

romanoweed said:
I dont know, ive watched Strainhunters vid 10 Times each.

Thats not true they didnt give any money. They gave them 50 Dollar. Later someone from that "Tribe" found out how much money they can make. but i guess "found out" means just "someone estimated" . Just a number he expect for a good selling Strain.Then they flipped out, Interviewer asked "why paying so few money" and franco said: it doesent work that way. So, they didnt steal, not true as recall.

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Well your next reply might be: "but its to few" . Well, i wont argue, all i can say this is DAILY LIFE in Congo, no Tourist, nobody pays 20 Dollars for a Pizza in Congo. Aswell, he went into dangerous Place, better take the least possible if you wanna survive..

My bad if I interpreted the video differently, How much do you think GHS makes off those seeds though?
Thats like saying I can go into the ghetto and rob people because robbing people happens in the ghetto.
Don't get me wrong I loved following franco and his work.

romanoweed · Feb 27, 2021

It doesent say it robs , it says you doo how others do, and pay what others pay, caused by some psychological mindset .

I dont know , i just wouldnt blame him for this , we do what others do very often.
That doesent mean that i would say it is Good. We could need more freaks. Just saying its not necessarly to be blamed.

GMT · Feb 27, 2021

Weed stocks in Canada are very popular at the moment. If you can create some hype and publicity around yourself, and team up with others who've done the same, then you can float a company on small scale stock markets. There's a lot of money in it, and most will go bust quickly. Investors tend to jump on band wagons, look at Tesla or bitcoin. Very little ability to make a profit is needed to make a lot of cash.

TheDarkStorm · Feb 27, 2021

WaterFarmFan said:
Below is not the video, but a recent press release from BioAgronomics. I would be interested to watch when released. I am curious if they think the future of breeding involves just tissue culture and highly breed cultivars, some sort of Monsanto IP model of licensed tissue culture or companies claiming IP rights on cultivars that sue/force existing breeders out of marketplace?

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VANCOUVER, British Columbia, Feb. 24, 2021 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Segra International Corp., an AgTech firm focused on cannabis tissue culture and BioAgronomics Group, an internationally recognized cannabis breeding and consulting company, are pleased to announce that they have entered into an agreement to distribute numerous premium cannabis cultivars within the Canadian Market. Through decades of genetic selection and intensive breeding efforts by world-renowned industry experts, including Robert Clarke and Mojave Richmond, BioAgronomics Group has developed a portfolio of proven classic and proprietary cannabis cultivars. Now, through Segra’s Plant Tissue Culture technology, this premium genetic catalog will be available to Canadian Licensed Producers and select international markets for the first time.

“BioAgronomics Group is thrilled to be joining forces with Segra International to advance the Canadian cannabis industry through providing high-quality, unique cultivars,” commented Robert Clarke, co-founder of BioAgronomics Group. “We expect this partnership will lead to increased access to popular and agronomically productive cannabis cultivars for licensed growers in Canada and internationally.”

In addition to the carefully selected “classic cultivars” curated by BioAgronomics Group specialists, Segra will also be able to supply proprietary and exclusive cannabis varieties from the BioAgronomics Group portfolio. These proprietary genetics were bred for potency and novel cannabinoid and terpene profiles, as well as ideal crop morphology and heightened pathogen resistance. Preparing BioAgronomics Group’s proven cultivars utilizing Segra’s tissue culture technology will ensure consistently high-performing plants that offer high yields of enhanced THC and terpene content. As with all Segra tissue culture products, the plantlets arrive as verified clean stock. Segra and BioAgronomics Group are pleased to offer these premium cultivars in our effort to help growers start with better genetics to realize higher profits.

“We are incredibly excited at the opportunity to partner with the team of industry-recognized experts at BioAgronomics Group and offer their cultivars, through tissue culture, to Canadian producers,” said Segra CEO Jamie Blundell. “BioAgronomics Group has a tremendous amount of experience developing premium cannabis cultivars for commercial production, and we’re honored that they are trusting Segra with their valuable genetic IP. Partnerships with leading experts and breeders, like BioAgronomics Group, combined with the benefits and biosecurity of plant tissue culture, will help producers dramatically improve financial performance as the industry and consumer preferences continue to evolve.”

To learn more about our partnership and how Segra and BioAgronomics Group’s Tissue Culture plantlets can improve your output and reduce risk, please contact Segra at info@segra-intl.com.

About BioAgronomics Group:
BioAgronomics Group is a team of experts working within the rapidly evolving cannabis fiber, food, and medicine business sectors. Founded by notable author and ethnobotanist Robert C. Clarke and Mojave Richmond, BioAgronomics Group provides experienced consulting and assistance to companies navigating the multifaceted cannabis industry. In addition, we offer IP-protected cultivars for licensing to growers supplying the emerging cannabis market worldwide. Wherever your company is based and whatever your individual needs, we are here to assist you. Learn more at www.bioagronomics.com.

About Segra:
Segra is an agriculture technology company offering plant tissue culture and DNA fingerprinting services to accelerate the advancement of the cannabis industry. The company’s proprietary technologies empower its clients to drive financial performance and mitigate risk while exploring the next frontier of optimized cultivation practices for the rapidly evolving cannabis consumer. Segra has developed industrial-scale laboratories to produce disease-free, robust, and DNA-fingerprinted cannabis plantlets for licensed producers globally. To support this vision, Segra has assembled a world-class team of specialists in the fields of agronomy, molecular genetics, plant tissue culture, and regulatory compliance. Learn more at?www.segra-intl.com

Strangely similar name to the company that holds the rights to the freak strain...agricolas or something...probably own the rights to other unique new strains too

mexcurandero420 · Feb 27, 2021

They collected the seeds, but you don't see any hybrids or real ones in their shops.
50 bucks is peanuts compared what they can make after they analysed the plants.You can find phenotypes high in THCV for example.Its all about money, nothing more.

romanoweed · Feb 27, 2021

yeah, its nothing, agreed!

but that doesent say IF Strainhunters are money grabbers.
Cause like said, they have my psychological mindset as alliby. You simply tend to not go into dangerous Places as a white man with 1000s of cash in pocket aswell...

Did they do something wrong handing out skunk in India? who knows. fact is, it is a good trading-item to have skunk. Probably they were a bit careles there, probably they just wanted to get the job done.
i cant find enough evidence they are moneygrabbers.

Hey and i loved to watch their Expeditions. And would they dumped Skunk eveywhere, well its not perfect, but most places will anyway probably get infected if they not already are.. but the seeds were brought back home, and i personally rather investigate if Gartersleben has other Strains than the Congo wich might, just might have come from Straihunters.

Sam_Skunkman · Feb 27, 2021

BUMP Reread the first post the panel is now available online I posted a link.
-SamS

clearheaded · Feb 27, 2021

looks like they agree that will move forward towards just seed crops.. after saying only 5 years before see a large shift..(of course clones will have a place for indoor boutique for awhile) but lol buddy nervously pipes up and says about how TC will always have a place lol. gotta keep those share holders happy

anyway, just furthering the idea that even they dont think TC is the future for major reproduction but just about getting dumb dumbs to invest...

while its a nice idea that maybe a big multinational will purchase for big bucks to get teh genetics, multinationals have an advantage were they can get huge amount of genetic diversity in another country and jsut bring it into canada.. nothing proprietary enough where they couldnt do it for cheaper and faster

I was incorrect segra announced there was a large scale outdoor TC plantlets last summer... I am super interested to know how taht went

as one would assume if was decently succesful would have an article about it aswell... but imagine if asked them they would not say which is fair in a sense as they arent growing them but i suspect some LP bought there new lab for them and they got 1/10 of the harvest they planned on outdoor. woopsys lol. and suppose in next few months if announce several new LPs that buy 40000 for outdoor ill eat crow. but gotta be kinda dim to think plants that lived in testtubes and hardened off under T5s is gunna live outdoors in canada.. even folks who have grown handful of times know u cant get a clone rooted to even a decent size under HID lamps and toss it outside. and even if do live sets them back couple weeks...

CannaRed · Feb 27, 2021

I edited my post with the rcc youtube videos. I put the address hopefully it will work with copy and pasting. Not sure why link doesn't work.

chilliwilli · Feb 27, 2021

CannaRed said:
I edited my post with the rcc youtube videos. I put the address hopefully it will work with copy and pasting. Not sure why link doesn't work.

You only need to insert the "code" at end of the youtube link. After the /

[YOUTUBEIF]Wxr1Q-Qs-VU[/YOUTUBEIF]

bubbleman · Feb 28, 2021

Oh man this was hard to read thru... I guess its one of the reasons i don't find much interest on these forums anymore. People really think they have it figured out. but truly have no clue what so ever.. Yeah Sam and Rob and Segra are out to get you and steal all your genetics lmao.
Oiy... anyway i did watch the panel and quite enjoyed it, and have invited alot of the folks onto Hash Church tomorrow for more discussion. Join us if you can handle it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrIA9WIiqkU

WaterFarmFan · Feb 28, 2021

bubbleman said:
Oh man this was hard to read thru... I guess its one of the reasons i don't find much interest on these forums anymore. People really think they have it figured out. but truly have no clue what so ever..

When someone of the stature of Sam posts a reference to "the Future of Cannabis Breeding" with speakers that work for large Ag Biotech firms in the wake of the Phylos lies, drama and bullshit, with some the same people none the less, what are us unwashed dolts supposed to think??? Are we to assume that the big companies have the best interest of the community and plant in mind? That people who think that they have valuable IP will not sue others?

bubbleman said:
Yeah Sam and Rob and Segra are out to get you and steal all your genetics lmao.

Don't think anyone said anything about theft. Just postulating what big companies and IP holders might do under Federal descheduling as it relates to long-held open source breeding practices.

bubbleman said:
Oiy... anyway i did watch the panel and quite enjoyed it, and have invited alot of the folks onto Hash Church tomorrow for more discussion. Join us if you can handle it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrIA9WIiqkU

I have nothing but respect for an OG like you out there doing your thing in public. Keep hustling and rocking it!!! I will try and watch the show, but I would love for you to ask the panelists about their thoughts on open source cannabis genetics versus protected IP as it relates to the future of breeding.

WFF

Tynehead Tom · Feb 28, 2021

bubbleman said:
Oh man this was hard to read thru... I guess its one of the reasons i don't find much interest on these forums anymore. People really think they have it figured out. but truly have no clue what so ever.. Yeah Sam and Rob and Segra are out to get you and steal all your genetics lmao.
Oiy... anyway i did watch the panel and quite enjoyed it, and have invited alot of the folks onto Hash Church tomorrow for more discussion. Join us if you can handle it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrIA9WIiqkU

as a licensed canadian medical grower and breeder ..... this whole thing concerns me.
When I read "DNA Fingerprinted" this to me means traceable and trackable. To me I see this as very dangerous to the Canadian Cannabis scene.
The problem I see is that the Canadian Government (Liberal criminal scum) is eagerly persuing track and trace cannabis and have given out at least two contracts to firms researching this.
Thier desire is that "ALL" cannabis in canada be imbedded with a unique genetic marker and then ALL cannabis found in the country without said genetic markers will be deemed Illicit. Therefore, anyone found with cannabis seed, plants or harvested flowers without those genetic markers will be pursued as a criminal.

So I'm sorry to say Chimera, Sam and mr Clarke..... hands off our canadian cannabis and take your proprietory bullshit to some other country.

Don't mean to offend anyone but this ain't good news for canadians.

clearheaded · Feb 28, 2021

kinda making a leap that chimera is doing the fingerprinting?? i do think he wants to sell the good good to LPs so they can do better.. 1 there are medical growers 2 everyone can grow 3 no one is going to waste money on your qp seeing if was LP genetics. truly dont think the purpose of spending millions is to know if someone bought seeds from an lp. chances are it will be for hemp to easily certify wont make thc as thats were they get there pantys in a bunch about..just a guess. the only bad thing is if was done to cut off new genetics to LP market via some kind of certification monopoly but at end of the day why would they care enough.

what will be interesting is how the conservatives will prob make legalization better for biz.

@hempy · Feb 28, 2021

So we are meant to trust the industry that lobbied the Canadian government to pull the grow licenses of medical cannabis patients so they could have the monopoly yea okay.

If it was not for the high court challenges by set groups patients and then rec uses would still be criminals in Canada.

Big canna has hurt law reform here and set it back by at lest 10 years trust big canna you say bubbleman show me why they warrant respect.

troutman · Feb 28, 2021

@hempy said:
So we are meant to trust the industry that lobbied the Canadian government to pull the grow licenses of medical cannabis patients so they could have the monopoly yea okay..

Do you mean people who worked for the Government like lawyers, police and even a former prime minister who are
involved with Cannabis after so many years of penalizing home growers? I also don't trust liars and we'll leave it at
that.

Cvh · Feb 28, 2021

Some old words of wisdom from Nevil (RIP)

"It looks like dope, but really it's hope," explains David Watson. What he means is that many of these plants have been specifically bred not to produce an intoxicating resin or hashish. Indeed, HortaPharm hopes to thwart the aims of the average recreational user.”

The team is already close to finding their own commercial Holy Grail - seeds that will produce a one-off, female, seedless crop of plants with no psychotropic effects for the consumer. Why, you might ask, would they want to do that?

HortaPharm is only interested in developing female plants that are sterile, but this is not just to protect their genetic copyright. "If a plant is not kept busy producing seeds, all its energy can go into resin production," says Watsons Dutch colleague and biochemist Etienne de Meijer.

Watson believes the bright future of (Cannabis) is contained in the greenhouses of HortaPharm and GW Pharmaceuticals.
'The object is to patent up every possible combination of cannabinoids with efficacy for every possible disease they can treat, and every possible genetic sequence! Once ready to make the move, they will shut down every medical cannabis grower for patent fraud”

I never said 'The object is to patent up every possible combination of cannabinoids with efficacy for every possible disease they can treat, and every possible genetic sequence! Once ready to make the move, they will shut down every medical cannabis grower for patent fraud” That is someone else's statement added to make it look like I said it. I have zero idea who said it but it was not me. And that was never my goal.
-SamS

TPFTFW · Feb 28, 2021

So,

let’s say you have a..

(sour x animal) x sour apple
Just because hortipharm has a patent on a similar cannabinoid profile.. this plant would fall under that patent?

wasn’t one of these guys a while back buying up seed like crazy from anyone willing to sell it to them under the guise of a large green house grow in some other country?

Edit: it was breeder Steve like 4-5-6 years ago iirc

Chimera · Feb 28, 2021

Nice to see Q-achene is alive & well

GMT · Feb 28, 2021

The problem with putting investment into synthetic seeds, is the first shipment caught by any country's customs agency, gets you an extradition order. Actual seeds are treated very differently than synthetic ones by most countries. This makes it harder to get big money investments. TC must really be done in the country that will use the end product. This makes scalability very difficult.

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