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Revival of the REVIVAL of the ULTIMATE SATIVA THREAD a.k.a R.U.S.T II
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thanks, my haze lover heart is dancing.
Here's my two sativa bagseed ladies.
vermontman
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I've been following this thread for a while and thought I should sign up and contribute. In the late '80s and early '90s I was growing a lot of Mexican bag seed. Most of it wasn't very good - little frost, not much flavor or aroma. It usually had a fairly uplifting high and no ceiling though. I had one version of that which was a bit better than the others so I made some seeds from it, and that was my main sativa from '90 to '93 (I did have a killer indica cut from one of the Dutch banks back then). I was decent, but it wasn't what was considered "kind bud" back then so I kept sprouting more bag seed.
Eventually, after about 300 plants of no name bag seed, I ran across a plant that was obviously the Mexican all star. It stank as a seedling, but it was the only plant in the batch that was like that, so I crossed it with that sativa I had made a few years earlier. This would have been around 1993. The result was a high end Mexican sativa in the model that people remember - uplifting, happy, giggly weed that had a psychedelic edge to it. It wasn't like mushrooms but everything shimmered. When you walked around you felt about three inches taller than you actually were. It was frosty but it wasn't extremely aromatic. The buds were extremely fluffy, they were fluffier than any of the other Mexican sativa I had grown. At harvest it had a smell that I called Christmas without the pine tree - sort of a laurel or holly wreath type of smell. With a cure that turned to church incense and maybe a little bit of bay leaf or dried mint. Back then people really liked it, the Dutch indicas were becoming a big thing and had become most people's idea of what great weed was but good sativas were already rare so it had a bit of novelty to it.
I still have that strain. I now refer to it as Old Mexican Sativa. It is my one strain from the old days that I managed to preserve and stands the test of time. But that isn't exactly what this post is about. When I made that cross, I saved some of the pollen and froze it. After I grew out the Old Mexican Sativa and realized that it was quality, I hit it with some more of the original male pollen to back cross it to the more potent side. I only got four seeds out of that back cross. I never grew them out and eventually forgot about them. That would have been around 1995.
Last winter I was going through my '90s "garbage bag" of seeds that never made the cut which has been in the back of my freezer for two plus decades. I found the four back cross seeds. Three of them sprouted. I put them in flower 15 days ago. After a 23 year gap it looks like Old Mexican Sativa #2 is about to become a thing. Apologies for the low quality photos:
Eventually, after about 300 plants of no name bag seed, I ran across a plant that was obviously the Mexican all star. It stank as a seedling, but it was the only plant in the batch that was like that, so I crossed it with that sativa I had made a few years earlier. This would have been around 1993. The result was a high end Mexican sativa in the model that people remember - uplifting, happy, giggly weed that had a psychedelic edge to it. It wasn't like mushrooms but everything shimmered. When you walked around you felt about three inches taller than you actually were. It was frosty but it wasn't extremely aromatic. The buds were extremely fluffy, they were fluffier than any of the other Mexican sativa I had grown. At harvest it had a smell that I called Christmas without the pine tree - sort of a laurel or holly wreath type of smell. With a cure that turned to church incense and maybe a little bit of bay leaf or dried mint. Back then people really liked it, the Dutch indicas were becoming a big thing and had become most people's idea of what great weed was but good sativas were already rare so it had a bit of novelty to it.
I still have that strain. I now refer to it as Old Mexican Sativa. It is my one strain from the old days that I managed to preserve and stands the test of time. But that isn't exactly what this post is about. When I made that cross, I saved some of the pollen and froze it. After I grew out the Old Mexican Sativa and realized that it was quality, I hit it with some more of the original male pollen to back cross it to the more potent side. I only got four seeds out of that back cross. I never grew them out and eventually forgot about them. That would have been around 1995.
Last winter I was going through my '90s "garbage bag" of seeds that never made the cut which has been in the back of my freezer for two plus decades. I found the four back cross seeds. Three of them sprouted. I put them in flower 15 days ago. After a 23 year gap it looks like Old Mexican Sativa #2 is about to become a thing. Apologies for the low quality photos:
Wow, great work preserving that Old Mexican F1 and the pollen/seeds for so long, Som! I can't wait to see how these plants develop. Is the other plant a female? are you making F2s, or just doing a BX? I suggest making as many seeds as you can on this run to ensure you have plenty of material to work with in the future.
Keep up the good work!
Keep up the good work!
Easily the best post ive seen in a long time.
Soon I'll update some pix of Mullumbimby Madness x BlackLimeReserve. Got some sexy Sativa Locos {Oaxacan xDurban x Ghani}. Early Durban\Mama Thai. Few little gems. I got a Seedsman Malawi male I bonsai'd in a yogurt cup too ill get some pix of lol. Might do a little pollen chuck'n on some of Scrappy's 99' Blueberry Sat bx if I find any indi phenos {I'm hunting for Sativa phenos}.
I got some better pictures of my plants.
These are the Old Mexican #1 females. They were severely rootbound up until a week ago. I grew a bunch of them out in solo cups so I could choose the two most aromatic ones for the cross. Normally, the leaves are longer, and if grown untopped they will grow into the classic Mexican Christmas tree cone shaped plant. I am not sure if they will do that this time. These are F2s that I made in the late '90s. I have had good luck freezing my seeds. All of my frozen seeds from the '90s are still giving me 80% germination rates.
These are the Old Mexican #2 females:
It has been so long since I made the original cross that I have forgotten what the individual parents looked like so it is interesting to be able to compare the two lines and see what each parent brought. The #1 is P1 female '89 Mexican Regular X P1 male '92 Mexican All Star, so the #2 is (P1 female '89 Mexican Regular X P1 male '92 Mexican All Star)X P1 Mexican All Star. Knowing what I know now, I am fairly sure that the '89 regular was an above average line from commercial fields in northern Mexico and has a couple drops of indica in it. Based on the leaf shape differences between the #1 and #2, I am thinking that the '92 All Star was probably something from farther south that was already becoming an heirloom back then. When it isn't rootbound the #1 looks like a less modern and thinner leafed version of Jarilla de Sinaloa. The #2 looks like something different, I'm not sure what.
These are the Old Mexican #1 females. They were severely rootbound up until a week ago. I grew a bunch of them out in solo cups so I could choose the two most aromatic ones for the cross. Normally, the leaves are longer, and if grown untopped they will grow into the classic Mexican Christmas tree cone shaped plant. I am not sure if they will do that this time. These are F2s that I made in the late '90s. I have had good luck freezing my seeds. All of my frozen seeds from the '90s are still giving me 80% germination rates.
These are the Old Mexican #2 females:
It has been so long since I made the original cross that I have forgotten what the individual parents looked like so it is interesting to be able to compare the two lines and see what each parent brought. The #1 is P1 female '89 Mexican Regular X P1 male '92 Mexican All Star, so the #2 is (P1 female '89 Mexican Regular X P1 male '92 Mexican All Star)X P1 Mexican All Star. Knowing what I know now, I am fairly sure that the '89 regular was an above average line from commercial fields in northern Mexico and has a couple drops of indica in it. Based on the leaf shape differences between the #1 and #2, I am thinking that the '92 All Star was probably something from farther south that was already becoming an heirloom back then. When it isn't rootbound the #1 looks like a less modern and thinner leafed version of Jarilla de Sinaloa. The #2 looks like something different, I'm not sure what.
bestothebest
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Realizing you need to open pollinate to expose the gene pool. You are doing what every person on here *i hope* knows is what to do. Props to you!
vermontman
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vermontman
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Hello Som 2!
Stellar work! Great to see others preserving cool genetics.
Looking forward to your progress.
vermontman
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