DWC BUDS BEHIND SOIL BUDS?????

Douglas.Curtis · Jul 11, 2017

You'll find the difference in nutrients being used is responsible for the difference in bloom rates. I'd say the dwc probably has at least more nitrogen than the soil plants, for one.

I use DWC almost exclusively, because using R/O water, Lucas Formula, Epsom Salt AND Lucas Res Management methods is rock solid predictable. Even newbies can produce very decent cannabis with it. You want primo DWC? You'll want to know the Lucas Res Management methods, when you get experienced it really makes it easy to produce super clean cannabis.

Douglas.Curtis · Jul 11, 2017

mushroombrew said:
I am working on investment for a 10,000 sqft indoor canopy. We will have a Lab in house. One of our plans is to dehydrate a sample of the nutrient solution weekly. Then use gas chromatography to see exactly what nutrients are used.
Then we will have a strain by strain week by week feeding program that is precise. My current grow is the R&D for the big show.
Always learning everyday striving to improve. And I really enjoy it!

I'd like to see the results of this from one of my own flowering runs. I don't dump the res throughout flower, only a few days before harvest. The res management creates a natural pH cycle, where available elements get stored up and then used up, as the pH rises and then drops.

Makes super clean cannabis and sure saves a lot on water/nutes/time.

jedi5891 · Jul 11, 2017

mushroombrew said:
I am working on investment for a 10,000 sqft indoor canopy. We will have a Lab in house. One of our plans is to dehydrate a sample of the nutrient solution weekly. Then use gas chromatography to see exactly what nutrients are used.
Then we will have a strain by strain week by week feeding program that is precise. My current grow is the R&D for the big show.
Always learning everyday striving to improve. And I really enjoy it!

Wow gas chromatography, thats some advance shit. I take it your growing legally commercially. When you say we do you have a team that you work with.
Its all about learning and striving to get better results. You can never stop learning in this game and all knowledge is valuable. We should really as hydro gardeners be looking at the dutch commercial crop farmers as there 10 years ahead and getting the best results for yield per square meter and brix levels. Having the sweetest tastiest fruits and crops without pesitsides too.

A big part that many people over look is what the garderner is like as a person. Weather they're not just a decent person, but weather they're tuned in with humble ego's and deep insight. If you think there's not a higher force making the plants grow then in IMO your in the dark ages. Call it nature, Aum, God, higher being etc but its been proven plants respond to stimulus. There's a binding force of energy and vibration in us all, connecting everyone and everything, nothing is separate.
Having that knowing connection to nature ie your plants, Then they'll love you back an reward you better as they respond to your vibration of love and understanding. Everything resonates and its being in harmony and sync that makes the plants thrive. I used to play classical music to the plants and they always seemed happy.
If you grow a plant correctly, then you can build the plants natural defenses and immune system up to be able to cope and deal with stress, pests and bugs etc.

Id love to be able to grow outdoors, not so simple where I live. One not legal and the climate is not great for growing pot. It can be done but doesn't grow the strongest.
Hopefully one day I'll move to Spain or Portugal as its decriminalized over there and has nice warm summers and dry autumns.
Peace
Namaste

jedi5891 · Jul 11, 2017

Douglas.Curtis said:
I'd like to see the results of this from one of my own flowering runs. I don't dump the res throughout flower, only a few days before harvest. The res management creates a natural pH cycle, where available elements get stored up and then used up, as the pH rises and then drops.

Makes super clean cannabis and sure saves a lot on water/nutes/time.

Nice one for dropping in. Ive looked at the Lucas formula and wanted to one day try it.
Im also gonna be experimenting with tailing and spoon feeding the plants more what they need as and when and using bio stimulants to
Make nutes more available an soluble.

Swinging the PH is a good idea as different elements become more readily available at different PH levels. I also like to keep closer to 6.2 in veg an 5.8 in bloom.
Peace
Namaste

mushroombrew · Jul 11, 2017

jedi5891 said:
Wow gas chromatography, thats some advance shit. I take it your growing legally commercially. When you say we do you have a team that you work with.
Its all about learning and striving to get better results. You can never stop learning in this game and all knowledge is valuable. We should really as hydro gardeners be looking at the dutch commercial crop farmers as there 10 years ahead and getting the best results for yield per square meter and brix levels. Having the sweetest tastiest fruits and crops without pesitsides too.

A big part that many people over look is what the garderner is like as a person. Weather they're not just a decent person, but weather they're tuned in with humble ego's and deep insight. If you think there's not a higher force making the plants grow then in IMO your in the dark ages. Call it nature, Aum, God, higher being etc but its been proven plants respond to stimulus. There's a binding force of energy and vibration in us all, connecting everyone and everything, nothing is separate.
Having that knowing connection to nature ie your plants, Then they'll love you back an reward you better as they respond to your vibration of love and understanding. Everything resonates and its being in harmony and sync that makes the plants thrive. I used to play classical music to the plants and they always seemed happy.
If you grow a plant correctly, then you can build the plants natural defenses and immune system up to be able to cope and deal with stress, pests and bugs etc.

Id love to be able to grow outdoors, not so simple where I live. One not legal and the climate is not great for growing pot. It can be done but doesn't grow the strongest.
Hopefully one day I'll move to Spain or Portugal as its decriminalized over there and has nice warm summers and dry autumns.
Peace
Namaste

Well R&D right now. In the process of a legal commercial CBD grow.
Yes it is a we. Small dedicated team. Gas chromatography is easier than you think. Will also be doing genetic extractions. Have a connect in Israel who helped develop "Midnight" its a Tikun Olam strain.

strain.https://www.tikun-olam.info/Tikun-Olam-Strain-Midnight

Anyways he has genetic markers for cannabinoids, terpenes etc. So we can use a leaf sample from a week old seedling to choose males/females way way before flowering. Speed up the selection process.
We want a Zero THC high CDB strain. That's 5 years away i think. Good things take time!
I guess I am truly blessed...my mum lives in Portugal! Decriminalizing drugs really worked there. And yes although I use lots of science I have a real connection to my plants. Got my green thumb from mum!

mushroombrew · Jul 11, 2017

jedi5891 said:
Nice one for dropping in. Ive looked at the Lucas formula and wanted to one day try it.
Im also gonna be experimenting with tailing and spoon feeding the plants more what they need as and when and using bio stimulants to
Make nutes more available an soluble.

Swinging the PH is a good idea as different elements become more readily available at different PH levels. I also like to keep closer to 6.2 in veg an 5.8 in bloom.
Peace
Namaste

I like those pH values. And you got the pH for veg and flower in a good spot. There is a Cal/Mag dip at 5.6. Funny a lot of people a run 5.5-5.6. But I get better growth at 5.4 or 5.8 on either side of the dip.
In DWC some of my strains prefer 5.2-5.6
Guys trip when they see my rex at 5.2!! But give the plants what they like.
Running Cutting edge as a base. Clean and cheap.

Douglas.Curtis · Jul 13, 2017

mushroombrew said:
I like those pH values. And you got the pH for veg and flower in a good spot. There is a Cal/Mag dip at 5.6. Funny a lot of people a run 5.5-5.6. But I get better growth at 5.4 or 5.8 on either side of the dip.
In DWC some of my strains prefer 5.2-5.6
Guys trip when they see my rex at 5.2!! But give the plants what they like.
Running Cutting edge as a base. Clean and cheap.

This is why Lucas res mangement includes a full cycle from 5.4 up through 5.8 and back to 5.4. This is what the plants like. Of course, media based, non-24/7 feed systems must account for the pH drop between feedings

mushroombrew · Jul 13, 2017

Douglas.Curtis said:
This is why Lucas res mangement includes a full cycle from 5.4 up through 5.8 and back to 5.4. This is what the plants like. Of course, media based, non-24/7 feed systems must account for the pH drop between feedings

I ran 5.2-5.8 in DWC. It totally works. Once a week I'd let it go to 6 for they can grab Molybdenum.

Where can I find info about the Lucas res management? Always trying to learn more. Thanks.

Douglas.Curtis · Jul 13, 2017

mushroombrew said:
I ran 5.2-5.8 in DWC. It totally works. Once a week I'd let it go to 6 for they can grab Molybdenum.

Where can I find info about the Lucas res management? Always trying to learn more. Thanks.

Yw. The most helpful thread is on the net and can be found with a search for "Ask Lucas." I recommend reading the whole thing a few dozen times.

(at least)

mushroombrew · Jul 13, 2017

Oh good only a few dozen times!! Haha! Thank you!

YetiOG · Jul 15, 2017

mushroombrew said:
I like those pH values. And you got the pH for veg and flower in a good spot. There is a Cal/Mag dip at 5.6. Funny a lot of people a run 5.5-5.6. But I get better growth at 5.4 or 5.8 on either side of the dip.
In DWC some of my strains prefer 5.2-5.6
Guys trip when they see my rex at 5.2!! But give the plants what they like.
Running Cutting edge as a base. Clean and cheap.

Hydro is fine 5.0 to 5.5 lol people are just stupid.

I use rockwool crouton and perlite. Add the hard water and i do get a natural upswing in my containers. I feed a standard mix thats 5.5 everyday and it works quite well. Hydro can be pretty flexible depends on what you are doing

Douglas.Curtis · Jul 15, 2017

Always remember, tap water hydro advice only works for everyone using the same tap water, during the same time of year. (soil too)

Use reverse osmosis water and you will get the same results copying any other hydro grower who also uses R/O (all things considered). Side bonuses are extremely predictable pH and the ability to grow extremely clean cannabis.

YetiOG · Jul 15, 2017

Douglas.Curtis said:
Always remember, tap water hydro advice only works for everyone using the same tap water, during the same time of year. (soil too)

Use reverse osmosis water and you will get the same results copying any other hydro grower who also uses R/O (all things considered). Side bonuses are extremely predictable pH and the ability to grow extremely clean cannabis.

Im not advising anyone else use tap water. I do because it is very good in my city.

RO water does not grow cleaner dope unless your water is nasty as fuck lol. Its not a issue out my way but i know for some people that statement is no joke...

I find RO easier to adjust ph also takes way less ph shit, however i find tap water to be more stable once the ph swings (typically up .2 or .3) though it varies wildly with food.

Because i use a substrate based hydro (perlite + rockwool) i can use tap with no issue. Folks in my town use tap in their water based hydro systems but i myself would get a filter if i used a water system instead of what i do

jedi5891 · Jul 15, 2017

I use tap water as its actually good water
where I am, being very soft containing low amounts of tds.
Ive been using enzymes in my DWC as ive always used it in my feeding schedule. Does anyone else here use enzymes or do you think its more for soil.
How long do you folks flush in hydro for. I usually flush for at least 2 weeks in soil but ideally do so for three weeks, getting my plants to properly fade. Have you any tips on flushing hydro and at what PH is best for the water for flushing with.

My plants now are drinking around 10 to 13 litres every 2 days and I wish id used bigger buckets as roots are huge and had a tank that I was topping up as its not easy lifting the lids with big plants and a huge root mass. The roots in the GSC buckets are like nothing ive seen with some being thick and stiff like rope. They've actually smashed through the net pots splitting them a bit. Im still a little behind with some of the hydro but all are blooming well with the trichomes and terpenes being developed plenty.
Peace
Namaste

Douglas.Curtis · Jul 16, 2017

When growing extreme quality cannabis, or duplicating hydro results, R/O levels the playing field.

Yes, there are some water supplies which are as clean as R/O. They are the exception and not the rule. Some tap water contains only dissolved elements cannabis can use as food. Again, this is the exception and not the rule.

The unfortunate part about cannabis is its a hyper/dynamic accumulator flower and not a fruit or vegetable. This means any non-food or excessive elements available will decrease quality in ways which cannot be flushed/faded out. The absorption of elements, through other channels than passive ionic uptake, and its ability to directly bind elements to new growth unconverted, makes a huge difference where quality is concerned.

A lot of people have difficulty telling the difference between 2% and whole milk, or butter and margarine. For these growers/tokers, 'decent' cannabis is the bomb. Those who have gained awareness, of what truly clean cannabis is like, are those who prefer R/O grown and faded cannabis. Those who prefer exactly predictable pH changes, or are looking for duplicateable results (which includes newbies), have the easiest learning curve with R/O and advice from other R/O growers.

The other nice thing is not having to re-learn or adjust your methods when you move to a new water supply. Lots of examples of folks who've had that issue.

This is why I always recommend R/O water, regardless of grow method.

Douglas.Curtis · Jul 16, 2017

Flushing hydro, for me, is the last 5 days switched out with pure R/O, no pH adjustment. It's the only rez dump/refill I make during flower. Prior to this I fade, which consists of nute strength management to keep transpiration levels high, from the time max growth stops until just before harvest.

My 1K HPS runs are still dropping rez levels by at least 2 gallons a day. Max usage, at peak of flower, is around 5 gallons of top off water a day. Straight R/O, non-adjusted for pH, to maintain the proper pH swing.

Mmmm, Mmmmm Good.

mushroombrew · Jul 16, 2017

Starting well water is 200! But its sulphur and calcium so the plants like it. Actually I think they love it.
I flush for 14 days at TDS 400 pH 5.8. I keep cal mag in there. It dosent accumulate like Phosphorus. And Contributes significantly to yields.

mushroombrew · Jul 16, 2017

jedi5891 said:
I use tap water as its actually good water
where I am, being very soft containing low amounts of tds.
Ive been using enzymes in my DWC as ive always used it in my feeding schedule. Does anyone else here use enzymes or do you think its more for soil.
How long do you folks flush in hydro for. I usually flush for at least 2 weeks in soil but ideally do so for three weeks, getting my plants to properly fade. Have you any tips on flushing hydro and at what PH is best for the water for flushing with.

My plants now are drinking around 10 to 13 litres every 2 days and I wish id used bigger buckets as roots are huge and had a tank that I was topping up as its not easy lifting the lids with big plants and a huge root mass. The roots in the GSC buckets are like nothing ive seen with some being thick and stiff like rope. They've actually smashed through the net pots splitting them a bit. Im still a little behind with some of the hydro but all are blooming well with the trichomes and terpenes being developed plenty.
Peace
Namaste

Root porn please! What hydro guy doesn't like white roots!!

mushroombrew · Jul 16, 2017

I'm still a bit surprised Hydro is behind soil. What is your soil mix?

YetiOG · Jul 16, 2017

mushroombrew said:
Starting well water is 200! But its sulphur and calcium so the plants like it. Actually I think they love it.
I flush for 14 days at TDS 400 pH 5.8. I keep cal mag in there. It dosent accumulate like Phosphorus. And Contributes significantly to yields.

Plants love sulphur. Good food always has enough. A little bit extra though helps one of my favorite old adds i no longer use was a sulphur boost. The plants liked it so much i used it in veg and flower because it made a difference for sure

This thread has a 1 star rating lol. Its not that bad bht it could use some pics or progress report from the OP.

LOL at soil out doing hydro. Only one way that happens... human error

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