best 100% indica?

Ive bought $1000s of $$$ of seeds from SeedsHereNow.

In the last week ive ordered.

Pure Indica.

2 x packs Coastal Seeds Puck Yeah./NL1 x Skelly Hashplant

Mostly Indica

Dominion Seeds.
2 x packs Granny Skunk. VA Skunk x Skelly Hashplant x Super Sativa Seed Club Sk1

Dominion Skunk
2 x VA 91Chemdog x SSSC Sk1 x Skelly hashplant x SSSC Sk1.

2 x TH Seeds the HOG

The HOG won 2002 Cup for Best Indica. Is Kush x Afghan from what I know.

hog from thc seeds totally sucked.
the original hog from somewhere stateside is spose to be killer.

and what about good old black domina ?
for me it was the one that make you stick to the couch ;-)
i am really interesting in your thoughts about this old i think suppose to be 100% indica no ?
keep it green
74

Good shit.

Coastal Seeds has a hybrid of 90s Black Domina x Heirloom 80s NL1

Its called. Black Lights.

SeedHereNow has it.

Is the Sensi Black Domina any good still or is there a better option?

Not the same shit it used to be.

Get the Coastal Seeds Black Lights. Though its a hybrid, it retains the BD character.

74G said:

and what about good old black domina ?
for me it was the one that make you stick to the couch ;-)
i am really interesting in your thoughts about this old i think suppose to be 100% indica no ?
keep it green
74

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i never got to try it.
the name and description always intrigued me
but so expensive at the time
(they still expensive now but beans go for way over 200 these days)

spose to be a 4 way nl, ortega, something something,
cant remember.

but i still really want to try it,
anyone grown the sensi, or other versions please chime in.


that and sheherazade from paradise seeds.

ace has a new black domina fem hybrid its supposed to have a heavy narcotic effect i personally find these types of highs very booring and need mental stimulus but i love all weed especially when the seeds are fresh and not old as fuck very expensive and wont grow.

Black domina is not a narcotic indica! I had 1996 sensi seedstock and it was just like the catalog pic. Long spaces between internodes, golf ball sized nugs and that old school chrsonic kind taste. Not a huge yielder but the quality was out of this world
Black domina is not a narcotic indica but more along the lines of HP13-a feel good balanced buzz

If I was going for a 100% Indica, Id get the Coastal Seeds NL1 x Skelly Hashplant. Of which I did but haven't grown them out yet. SeedsHereNow has them.

Here's a pic of my Domina keeper, Ortega-pheno i believe.
This plant isn't narcotic, but the effect is still quite "stoned". Very nice effect on this one, but i have read that some BD phenos can have boring effect and some apparently aren't that strong. This girl sure is.
Seeds were bought few years ago.
This was the only female i got from five seeds, but the line doesn't look to be that stable, some were short plants with fat leaves, while this girl is abit taller and has narrower leaves. One seed was proper freak.

ambertrichome said:

If I was going for a 100% Indica, Id get the Coastal Seeds NL1 x Skelly Hashplant. Of which I did but haven't grown them out yet. SeedsHereNow has them.

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Agree. I snagged a bunch of those NL1 crosses...skelly, romulan, 4-way (my buddy used to get this same cut in the late 90s I think? can't remember the exact time frame. I'm from VA), 95 black domina, and the burmese IBL (indica dom buzz). Haven't popped any yet, but would recommend.

I just finished my first grow - 2 phenos of humboldt purple snow and a Sugar Black Rose. I prefered the Snow pheno over the urkle pheno growing wise. The urkle pheno buzz was equal or better depending on mood. I overwatered and then got fungus gnats in flower. Not one hermie from the 3 and I almost killed them. The sugar black rose (Black Domina x Critical Mass) was super unique, yielded, crazy terps, and has a punch. I have 3 seeds left. It didn't smell like herb.

I would recommend any of the above.

rollinfunk said:

Agree. I snagged a bunch of those NL1 crosses...skelly, romulan, 4-way (my buddy used to get this same cut in the late 90s I think? can't remember the exact time frame. I'm from VA), 95 black domina, and the burmese IBL (indica dom buzz). Haven't popped any yet, but would recommend.

I just finished my first grow - 2 phenos of humboldt purple snow and a Sugar Black Rose. I prefered the Snow pheno over the urkle pheno growing wise. The urkle pheno buzz was equal or better depending on mood. I overwatered and then got fungus gnats in flower. Not one hermie from the 3 and I almost killed them. The sugar black rose (Black Domina x Critical Mass) was super unique, yielded, crazy terps, and has a punch. I have 3 seeds left. It didn't smell like herb.

I would recommend any of the above.

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I know where you can spend some more $$$$. Maybe you already know about these, but am always happy to spread the word to those that know what these old gese are, and can be.

Dominion Seed Company..... SeedHereNow has this company

They have crosses of the VA Afghani, Skelly Hashplant, Super Sativa Seed Club Skunk1, VA Chemdog91

They are mixng up some really outstanding stuff.

Another 1.
This comes from JamesBeanCompany.

Dynasty Genetics are the Breeders.
Huckleberry Cough.

Oregon Huckleberry ( Early Genetics Blueberry ) IBL x NL5/Hz.

This HAZE is NOT from Europe, is NOT Nevils Haze. The Haze side of this was originally 100% Original Haze Brothers from a Colorado breeder in the 90s, taken as a clone only to Cali and preserved.

Its named "The Cough" is for a good reason. Its lung buster every hit. And they cross it to the 80s original BOEL genetics DJ Short used to make the ORIGINAL Blueberry, and Juicy Fruit.

The Original Highland Blue Thai is potent. Unlike the watered down modern junk. DJ Short got his genetics from BOEL/Brotherhood of Eternal Love./Hippy Mafia.

I had a strain in the 90s that was a cross of

The Cough x Skelly x SSSC Sk1.

I lost it to the feds in 97, and spent ^+ years in federal prison, and and 8 years supervised release.

NOTHING Ive found is as good as these, and Ive been looking since I was done in 2009.

Im hoping both the Coastal gear, and the Dominion, will get me in the ballpark. And if its really the real stuff, it has to be a winner. Hopefully.

Ive spent close to $12,000 on seeds in the last 8 years. And have started this year with $1500 already.

I could have bought a really nice guitar amplifier, or a bunch of real nice guitar effects. And I actually have an old really nice acoustic that needs a neck reset ( $800 ) and spent the $$ on Coastal, and Dominion gear once I found it, instead of buying the other items, of having my guitar fixed.

There really are not many 100% Indica strains out there. For lot's of reasons.

Nl is not 100% indica like people claim. It's thai afghan. Thai is far from indica. For argument purposes.

100% indica is pretty boring and lacking potency. But there are some good indica sativa hybrids. Indica usually dominates apearance, not always effect.

It comes down to why indica? Outdoors here Indica 100% molds. Chitral might not but those are such old landraces, who knows what all was bred in it and how many hundreds of years ago?

Low land afghans need dry air. That's why nl has thai. So afghan like plants can handle washington state and wherever else.

When I started I had a 3 foot cab. So short heavy flowering plants were an interest. Never did lose my taste for up highs with some length in duration. I can puff afghans every half hour. A good nl or something more up keeps me high for an hour and comfy for 3 to 4.

There are different NL Lights.

#5 has the Thai like you say, and in reality is CLONE ONLY in its pure form.

On the other hand. NL#1 IS a IBL, and is a PreSoviet Kandahar.

Another good 1

Technically. ALL DRUG CANNABIS, IS INDICA.

SATIVA VS INDICA IS MYTH.

Origins of Cannabis sativa
The scientific name Cannabis sativa was first published in 1753 by the Swedish botanist Carl Linnaeus who is known today as the father of modern taxonomy, the science of classifying organisms. The term sativa simply means “cultivated” and describes the common hemp plant grown widely across Europe in his time. C. sativa is native to Europe and western Eurasia where it has been grown for millennia as a fiber and seed crop, and was introduced to the New World during European colonization. In short, we wear C. sativa fibers and we eat C. sativa seeds and seed oil, but we do not smoke C. sativa plants as they have little ability to produce the cannabinoid delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, the primary psychoactive and medically valuable compound found in Cannabis. In addition, compared to the essential oil of C. indica varieties, C. sativa produces less quantity and variety of terpenes, which are increasingly shown to be of importance in the efficacy of Cannabis medicines. C. sativa represents a very small portion of the genetic diversity seen in Cannabis worldwide, and it is not divided into subspecies based on differing origins and uses like C. indica. Linnaeus likely had never even seen any drug Cannabis, and it is incorrect to use “sativa” to describe drug varieties.


Type specimens of C. sativa NLH, C. indica NLD and C. ruderalis the PA or NLHA. (From Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany)
The Cannabis debate
Since the 1960s taxonomists have championed several different naming systems. Many preferred a three species concept by recognizing C. ruderalis as a wild species possibly ancestral to both C. sativa and C. indica. Others chose to reduce C. indica and C. ruderalis to subspecies or varieties of a single species C. sativa. In the late 1970s markedly different appearing hashish varieties were introduced to the West from Afghanistan and considered by some to be the true C. indica and by others as a fourth species C. afghanica, while all the other drug varieties were held to be members of C. sativa following the single species model. By the dawn of the new millennium confusion and disagreement reigned, but better science would prevail.

Reconciliation through taxonomic groupings
Karl Hillig at Indiana University (published 2004, 2005) investigated the diversity of Cannabis by characterizing the chemical contents of plants from a wide range of geographical origins and usages; and he proposed taxonomic groupings (subspecies) that both reconciled the previous naming systems, and fit well into a hypothetical model for the evolution of Cannabis. Hillig’s research supports the original two-species concept for Cannabis—C. sativa Linnaeus and C. indica Lamarck—with C. indica being far more genetically diverse than C. sativa. Hillig recognized the European cultivated subspecies as C. sativa ssp. sativa. Because it typically has narrow leaflets and is used for hemp fiber and seed production, he named it narrow-leaf hemp or NLH. He also identified spontaneously growing wild or feral populations previously called C. ruderalis as C. sativa ssp. spontanea which he named the putative ancestor or PA and I refer to as the narrow-leaf hemp ancestor or NLHA.

Four C. indica sub-species
Hillig grouped C. indica varieties into four subspecies—three based on their diverse morphological and biochemical traits, and another characterized largely by its spontaneous growth habit.


Subspecies indica
indica ssp. indica varieties range across the Indian subcontinent from Southeast Asia to western India and into Africa. This is what Lamarck described as C. indica or Indian Cannabis. Subspecies indica populations are characterized as having a high content of THC with little if any cannabidiol or CBD—the second most common cannabinoid, which is non-psychoactive, and has also been shown to have medical efficacy. By the 19th century these drug varieties reached the Caribbean region of the New World, steadily spread throughout Central and South America, and since the 1960s have been exported to Europe, North America and beyond forming the early sin semilla marijuana gene pool. Marijuana users commonly call them “sativas” because their leaflets are relatively narrow, especially in relation to the Afghan varieties or “indicas” that were introduced later, and therefore exhibit a superficial resemblance to European C. sativa narrow-leaf hemp or NLH plants. However, this is a misnomer as C. sativa plants produce little if any THC. Based on Hillig’s research we now call members of C. indica ssp. indica narrow-leaf drug or NLD varieties, because although they also have narrow leaflets, they produce THC and are therefore drug varieties.

Subspecies afghanica
Subspecies afghanica originated in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan, where crops were traditionally grown to manufacture sieved hashish. From 1974, when Afghan Cannabis was first described in English by Harvard professor Richard Schultes, it became readily apparent that it represented a type of drug Cannabis previously unknown to Westerners. Its short robust stature and broad, dark-green leaves distinguished it from the taller, lighter green and more laxly branched NLD varieties. By the late 1970s seeds of Afghan hashish varieties reached Europe and North America and were rapidly disseminated among marijuana growers. At this time all Cannabis varieties were commonly considered to be members of C. sativa, and the familiar NLD marijuana varieties were called “sativas” to differentiate them from the newly introduced and quite different looking varieties called “indicas.” Hillig named the Afghan hashish varieties C. indica ssp. afghanica and I call them broad-leaf drug or BLD varieties to differentiate them from NLD varieties. BLD populations can have CBD levels equal to those of THC. Both subspecies indica and subspecies afghanica produce a wide array of aromatic compounds that are important in determining their physical and mental effects.


Richard Evans Schultes with C. indica ssp. afghanica broad-leaf drug or BLD plants in Afghanistan. (From Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany; courtesy of Neil Schultes)
Subspecies chinensis
Hillig’s third grouping within C. indica is subspecies chinensis which comprises the traditional East Asian fiber and seed cultivars which we call broad-leaf hemp or BLH. Like other subspecies of C. indica, chinensis varieties possess the genetic potential to produce psychoactive THC, but East Asian cultural constraints encouraged the selection of these varieties for their economically valuable fiber and seed rather than their psychoactive potential. Asian and European cultures have many similar uses for hemp fiber and seed.

Subspecies kafiristanica
The fourth subspecies C. indica ssp. kafiristanica includes spontaneously growing feral or wild populations, and Hillig hypothesized that it might be the narrow-leaf drug ancestor or NLDA.

The ruderalis debate
Some researchers have also suggested a third species C. ruderalis as the progenitor of both C. sativa and C. indica. Evolutionary theory predicts that there must once have been a common ruderalis-like ancestor of the two modern species, but it has most likely become extinct, and proposed groupings NLHA and NLDA represent feral populations of NLH and NLD respectively rather than ancestors. C. sativa NLH likely originated in a temperate region of western Eurasia—possibly in the foothills of the Caucasus Mountains—from a putative hemp ancestor or PHA which lacked the biosynthetic potential to produce THC. C. indica likely originated in the Hengduan Mountain range—in present-day southwestern China—from a putative drug ancestor or PDA which had evolved the ability to make THC. This PDA would then have diversified as it was spread by humans to different geographical regions where it further evolved into NLD, BLD and BLH subspecies, all of which make THC and complex suites of aromatic terpenes. These subspecies of C. indica are the source of all psychoactive Cannabis found today. So, when we talk about psychoactive Cannabis we mean C. indica as there are no drug “sativa” varieties. What people commonly refer to as “sativas” are really C. indica ssp. indica and for convenience should be called narrow-leaf drug or NLD varieties. And, what are commonly referred to as “indicas” truly are C. indica ssp. afghanica broad-leaf drug or simply BLD varieties.


Present-day distribution of Cannabis taxa (From Cannabis: Evolution and Ethnobotany)\
Heirloom landrace cultivars
Cultivated crop plant varieties are called cultivars, and when cultivars are grown and maintained by local farmers we refer to them as landrace cultivars or landraces. Landraces evolve in a balance between natural selective pressures exerted by the local environment—favoring survival—and human selections favoring a cultivar’s ability to both thrive under cultivation and to produce particular culturally preferred end products. Early humans spread Cannabis as they migrated, and at each new location selected seed from superior plants within these early populations, those appropriate for their own individual uses and processing methods. By sowing seeds from the most favorable individuals, traditional farmers developed and maintained the high-quality landraces upon which the home-grown marijuana industry was founded.

Traditional sinsemilla landraces from faraway Asian countries like India, Nepal, Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam; African landraces from South Africa, Malawi, Zimbabwe, and more; as well as New World landraces from Colombia, Panama, Jamaica, and Mexico are all NLD varieties. Hybrids between imported NLD landrace varieties formed the core genome of domestically produced marijuana in both North America and Europe before the introduction of BLD landraces from Afghanistan in the late 1970s.

Cannabis Today
Presently, almost all modern drug Cannabis varieties are hybrids between members of two C. indica subspecies: subspecies indica, representing the traditional and geographically widespread NLD landrace marijuana varieties, and subspecies afghanica, representing the geographically limited BLD hashish landraces of Afghanistan. It is through combining landraces from such geographically isolated and genetically diverse populations that the great variety of modern-day hybrid recreational and medical Cannabis varieties blossomed.

Unfortunately, we cannot return today to a region previously known for its fine Cannabis and expect to find the same landraces that were growing there decades before. Cannabis is open-pollinated, with male and female flowers borne on separate plants, and therefore to produce a seed usually two plants must be involved. Random combinations of alleles and accompanying variation are to be expected. Cannabis landrace varieties are a work in progress. They are maintained by repeated natural and human selection in situ—nature selecting for survival and humans selecting for beneficial traits—and without persistent human selection and maintenance they drift back to their atavistic, naturally selected survival level.

Preserving the legacy
The western world turned on to imported marijuana and hashish in the 1960s and all the amazing imported varieties available then were traditionally maintained landraces. Within a decade the demand for quality drug Cannabis exceeded traditional supplies, and mass production in the absence of selection became the rule. Rather than planting only select seeds, farmers began to sow all their seeds in an effort to supply market demand, and the quality of commercially available drug Cannabis began to fall. This decline in quality was exacerbated by pressure on Cannabis production and use from law enforcement branches of most governments worldwide. Landraces can no longer be replaced, they can only be preserved. The few remaining pure landrace varieties in existence now, kept alive since the 70s and 80s, are the keys to future developments in drug Cannabis breeding and evolution. It will be a continuing shame to lose the best results of hundreds of years of selection by local farmers. After all, our role should be as caretakers preserving the legacy of traditional farmers for future generations.

NOTE: For more in-depth discussions of Cannabis taxonomy and evolution please explore my recent book written with distinguished professor Mark Merlin from the University of Hawai’i called Cannabis: Evolution and ethnobotany published by University of California Press

Also Narrow Leaf is considered Superior in their Native Origins vs Braod Leaf.
Columbian, Thai, Mexican?? Are ALL Narrow Leaf Indica, brought from the Spanish. Sativa ws brought for fiber. Indic has both Fiber, and Oil. Broad Leaf Indica has Sort Fibers.
Sativa has Long Fibers.

In the 60s when weed was legal in Nepal, and there were Government Sponsered Hash Dens, Bhang Shops ect, by the 60s the Hippes, and starting with the Beatniks in the 50s, had all but depleted the local supplies, so the King of Nepal declared a state of emergency, and inported some Broad Leaf varieties to hybridize, and grow with the local varieties.

Id say originally, the original skunk wa grown in India/Nepal ect, when they hybridized Narrow, and Broad Leaf. Thus they came up with Skunky phenos.

ALL cultivated plants are sativa!
Their origin & use matters not.
Sativa means CULTIVATED! Nothing more, nothing less.
ALL Indicas, Afghanis, Pakis, Burmese, Laotion, Moroccan, Thai, Chem, OG, Diesel, hemp, haze, Malawi, Durban, Skunk Etc., etc., etc., that have been cultivated are SATIVA.

INDICA = from India
AFGHANI = from Afghanistan
LEBANESE = from Lebanon

All 3 of the above have varieties that will produce NLD, B/WLD types as well as NLH & B/WLH types.

Sam & Rob started this confusion when they published their books!
They completely disregard the meanings behind the terms they decided to use & created a mass of confusion about the specifics of the topic.

^ Just as an aside, this isn't how Latin binomials work. It's true that sativa means cultivated, but it's not true that everything cultivated must have 'sativa' as the species name. Otherwise, we'd have Zea sativa instead of Zea mays. Or Solanum sativa instead of Solanum lycopersicum.

In everyday use, though, we have corn and tomatoes, which growers and consumers recognize whatever their botanical names (which, for tomatoes at least, should really include a number of species at this point).

'Indica' and 'sativa' effects, and 'indica' and 'sativa' growth forms seem like something we're stuck with, whatever the current state of the botanical nomenclature might be. There are better terms, for sure, but we all know roughly what these mean.

For what it's worth, Cannabis is saddled with confusion that arose not just because it's a complicated genus, but also because of well-intended legal efforts that depended on intensifying the confusion.

LMFAO! let's argue semantics y'all!

We MEAN, broadleaf, shorter, generally faster, potent, narcotic side, plants. Or maybe not. But I THINK that's what most mean by indica.

BTW, Cannabis is no different than other plants in that it has caused naming nightmares. I have seen two very intelligent professors get into shouting matches over the Latin name for "little bluestem" grass. (Schizachyrium scoparium, formerly Andropogon scoparius)

Ordered 3 more packs of the Coastal Puck Yeah

Underground Seed Collective IBL Pre Soviet Kandahar Black Afghani.
Thanks goes to forum member on another forum. MOst places that carry USC don't send to USA except seinnaS, and they've been out forever.