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Old 07-19-2008, 06:49 PM #21
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To be honest a cop can hurt you further.

Many times if a plea gargain is presented the Judge or DA will ask the cop how you acted during the time of your arrest. I have seen plea bargains denied because an accused threatened the cop during his or her arrest. Cops also confer quite often with the DA regarding what charges they might add or dismiss against the accused.

That's why it's important to be very polite when excercising your rights. Not only can running your mouth get you maced, beat down and charged with resisting arrest, but it can also hurt you come sentencing as to whether or not you go to jail.

I have a story to tell that might help someone. I had a friend who would always play the cops like a violin. Anytime we were talked to by the police he would always tell them that he was "mildly mentally retarded" and he couldn't understand what they were saying. If they continued he would pretend to be upset and tell them "they were picking on him because he was a retard". After this they would immediately leave him alone. Even when other cops came they would tell them he was retarded and to not question him. I'm not saying this will work for everyone, but I can tell you it sure got them off his back, lol.....
I dont know, in my cases the cops were not involved. We had a hearing trying to throw out the search warrant and only questions directly related to the case were asked. It may depend on the city, or county. My cases were in some very large cities.


Its all irrelevent anyway. There is NOTHING you can say to stop yourself from getting arrested. Once the cop decides to arrest you, you are going to have a shitty 24 hours. Get a good lawyer and let him/her be your mouth.
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Old 07-19-2008, 06:58 PM #22
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I have a story to tell that might help someone. I had a friend who would always play the cops like a violin. Anytime we were talked to by the police he would always tell them that he was "mildly mentally retarded" and he couldn't understand what they were saying. If they continued he would pretend to be upset and tell them "they were picking on him because he was a retard". After this they would immediately leave him alone. Even when other cops came they would tell them he was retarded and to not question him. I'm not saying this will work for everyone, but I can tell you it sure got them off his back, lol.....
I always like reading your posts JJ. Either they're informative or funny like this one. I bet that retarded act only works well for some players. (But I guess if I had had enough weed it would probably work well for me too.)

It's a downer to think about getting friction from the cops or even getting arrested, but I have to agree with all the advice in this thread.

As for being polite to cops, and this also goes for the guy who would joke with cops about buying a key, etc., I can buy that. People respond more to sugar than vinegar, innit?

Although if you're a charismatic of some kind you could possibly get the upper hand over a cop just by talking to them. Because while cops lie, guess what, they're not the only ones. For instance, look at the current season (4) of Weeds, where all the guys that got busted with the growhouse did talk to police, but told them a bullshit story about Celia being the ringleader (which was believed because it was corroborated by so many people). However the generic response/advice for people is probably to remain silent.
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Old 07-19-2008, 07:40 PM #23
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Everything said here is all very true and helpful. But when the shit hits the fan and you're really baked, it is really hard to not give in to the pigs lies and exercise you're rights.

I'm talking from experience. I had just moved into my dorm room and had no one to smoke with and no car so I thought I'd just blow the smoke out of the window. Right after getting a little too high, a cop knocked on my front door because someone living down the hall smelled weed coming from my room. My blood turned to ice. I felt pure horror for the first time in my life.

I went into the hallway and closed the door behind me. He told me why he was here and I told him that I couldn't help him and that I wouldn't let him in. He told me that I would be kicked out of here if I didn't cooperate and then HE STARTED READING ME MY RIGHTS! At this point I was scared shitless and forgot all about protecting my rights. I was certain that no matter what I did he would search my room. I had some poppy pods (that I bought legally local but illegally prepared them for consumption) that I didn't want him to find, so I just opened the door and we walked in and I handed him the pot and the bong (which I spilled bong water out of because I was so high and frazzled from the experience) hoping that he would just take it and leave. Well he didn't, not after writing me a citation.

Listen people, be prepared! I was not. I gave into his lies, and payed for it. But I had the last laugh (another story for another time).

That is 100 percent true for most people who have never had an encounter with a police officer. That's why it's very important to take a few minutes and run the scenario through your head. Picture yourself saying " I'm sorry but I would like to excercise my right to remain silent and to have a Lawyer present before saying anything". At this point you are likely to be told that if you ask for a lawyer "he won't be able to help you". Ignore this comment completely. Or anything else. As much as you want to believe they are being honest and really want to help you. He doesn't. Immediately make another request to remain silent. If the officer persists, remind him he isn't supposed to say another word to you once you ask for a lawyer. That will usually get it through their heads to say nothing more.


At this point the cop might try the "if you would have let me help you, I probably could have kept you out of jail", bullshit story. Don't fall for it. Most newbies cave in here. They are so afraid they are going to jail that they squeel like hell on anyone and everyone involved. This is where you either prove yourself to be a man, or a spineless snitch. Do the smart thing and thank them for offering to help you, but you haven't done anything wrong and you want a lawyer. If you decide to rat other people out to save your ass, remember you have to look at yourself for the rest of your life. The cops also hate rats and will be sure to get you later and "slip" to the others you were the rat. They may also try the "your friends signed statements against you and this is your last chance to save your ass" trick. This is pretty self explanitory. It's a good idea to discuss these things with your friends and remind each other to keep quiet no matter what.

All you need to remember is this one sentence."I wish to remain silent and I would like an attorney".
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Heh heh don't even say you haven't done anything wrong.

Sometimes, though, being polite has its limits. Case in point: in my early twenties, for a period, every time the cops detained me they would try and take my picture. This happened five times out of six encounters of the blue kind, while I awaited trial (again ). Every time this happened, I blocked my face or, if in cuffs, bent my head forward against my chest so they could only take a picture of my hair. They would say shit like, "they're gonna take a picture of you at the station anyway," and I would reply, "Then use that one, then." They always backed off - I think it can be construed as harassment.

What the fuck, eh?
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In the UK is was accepted that 'suspects' could answer "No Comment" during police questioning for many a long year. Unfortunately the UK government changed the law on this during the 1990s. Failing to answer police questions (while under arrest) is now considered an admission of guilt.

Unfortunately certain police officers also consider themselves 'above the law' ...

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NEVER let them take prints until after you've been confirmed arrested! and protested!

eager police-ppl will try and take finger-prints ,, even if you haven't done anything wrong yet,,

ALWAYS REFUSE THEM THIS PRIVELEGE !!!

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Old 07-20-2008, 08:14 AM #27
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If the officer persists, remind him he isn't supposed to say another word to you once you ask for a lawyer. That will usually get it through their heads to say nothing more.
Are there any legal ramifications/rules regarding this or is just meant to be police procedure?

Just thinking about this and how it would be easier to just type up a card that I can show the police officer, and not even have to say a single word until consulting with a lawyer if the worst was to happen.

If it were law that they dont talk to you/harass you after this then a line on the card mentioning this would be sure to keep them quiet.

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Old 07-20-2008, 08:52 AM #28
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[quote=JJScorpio]That is 100 percent true for most people who have never had an encounter with a police officer. That's why it's very important to take a few minutes and run the scenario through your head. Picture yourself saying " I'm sorry but I would like to excercise my right to remain silent and to have a Lawyer present before saying anything". At this point you are likely to be told that if you ask for a lawyer "he won't be able to help you". Ignore this comment completely. Or anything else. As much as you want to believe they are being honest and really want to help you. He doesn't. Immediately make another request to remain silent. If the officer persists, remind him he isn't supposed to say another word to you once you ask for a lawyer. That will usually get it through their heads to say nothing more.

Nice thread JJ

Totally agree here with JJ. As a youngster, early twenties, going to jail was scary you did anything to get bailed out immediately from the holding tank sometimes called the drunk tank, cold as ice and a nice metal bed with 5 or 6 other mostly intoxicated people. You will do anything to skip the,"Time to put the orange jump suit and flip flops on" period.

One time I got pinched for something minor wont get into it but I just decided fuck it I go to jail for the night and wait for my arraignment (no money and did not want to bother someone in the middle of the night) in the morning. Once you get past that initial fear you can handle the wait for the lawyer. It’s the initial shock of the orange jump suit that gets people to start talking.
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That is 100 percent true for most people who have never had an encounter with a police officer. That's why it's very important to take a few minutes and run the scenario through your head. Picture yourself saying " I'm sorry but I would like to excercise my right to remain silent and to have a Lawyer present before saying anything". At this point you are likely to be told that if you ask for a lawyer "he won't be able to help you". Ignore this comment completely. Or anything else. As much as you want to believe they are being honest and really want to help you. He doesn't. Immediately make another request to remain silent. If the officer persists, remind him he isn't supposed to say another word to you once you ask for a lawyer. That will usually get it through their heads to say nothing more.

Nice thread JJ

Totally agree here with JJ. As a youngster, early twenties, going to jail was scary you did anything to get bailed out immediately from the holding tank sometimes called the drunk tank, cold as ice and a nice metal bed with 5 or 6 other mostly intoxicated people. You will do anything to skip the,"Time to put the orange jump suit and flip flops on" period.

One time I got pinched for something minor wont get into it but I just decided fuck it I go to jail for the night and wait for my arraignment (no money and did not want to bother someone in the middle of the night) in the morning. Once you get past that initial fear you can handle the wait for the lawyer. It’s the initial shock of the orange jump suit that gets people to start talking.
I have been to jail a few times, sometimes charges changed and I had to be rebooked, etc. I can tell you the first 24-48 hours are the WORST. Sleeping on the floor, no shower, limited phone time and a complete sense of uncertainity. Once you get processed, and assigned to a permanent location, things go much smoother. It still sucks but the first 24-48 hours are the absolute WORST.
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Excellent advice, thanks guys. I've had the knock and talk once before and now I just don't answer the door. If they have evidence of illegal activity, they won't be knocking....
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