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Old 04-06-2020, 05:29 PM #31
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I had to see what was up if UT has legal pot. Seems the people voted a referendum, and the politicians didn't like the results, so they made a substitute law instead of what the people voted for. By the people, for the people kinda thing.

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Voters in Utah approved a referendum legalizing medical marijuana in 2018, making it the 33rd state to do so.

But the lead-up to the program’s March launch has been hamstrung by a series of delays. After voters approved the measure 53 percent to 47 percent, Utah legislators immediately began work on a compromise bill to overwrite the proposal approved at the ballot. The bill passed and was signed into law during a special session in December 2018, dramatically limiting the scope of the measure approved by a majority of voters only a month earlier.

Marijuana advocates challenged the bill in court, but the lawsuit was thrown out by the Utah Supreme Court in August. Justice Paige Petersen, writing for the court’s majority, ruled that while the state’s constitution “creates and protects the voters’ right to place legislation on the ballot for approval or rejection by the people, it also carves out an exception to that right.
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States are run like plantations, not countries, you just finding that out?

“States’ Rights” has *always* been bullshit.
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Far and away the very worst horrible 'president" in USA history. There is zero valid defense of him, zero positive truthful actions. tRump has NEVER cared about anyone but himself & NEVER wanted to actually be "president", it was 100% a marketing ploy for the "tRump brand" ( now worth nothing). Nobody was more shocked than he was to "win".

The only reason he is not locked up right now is the super lame DOJ policy that a sitting "president" cannot be criminally charged. The number of criminal charges awaiting his crime family will stagger the most ardent foolish supporter.

The tRump family owes many billions of dollars to Russian mobsters/"Oligarchs" connected to the criminal Kremlin. How anyone thinks that has no relevance is beyond laughable. History will be extremely unkind to his "supporters"/fraud victims.
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States are run like plantations, not countries, you just finding that out?

“States’ Rights” has *always* been bullshit.

Yes the GOP claim of being for "States Rights" is 100% bullshit.
When Michigan legalized, the GOP did all they could to overthrow democracy and are still trying to subvert the will of the voters.

"States Rights" was only meant to exist when the GOP needed it, not for the voters. Just like the GOP to "small government" = they only want it small so their criminal enterprises are not looked over.
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Amazing how many people turn a blind eye to the actual timeline, but blind we are to context, just the headlines, and spin ’em for me too, please. Deaf and dumb, too, muchly.

Case in point: slave states insisted on “the right” to maintain their ‘property interest’ in their slaves when traveling (with slaves) in slave-free states: Virginia did not give one damn for the rights of states - if those states weren’t slave states (just an example, VA was nothing special in this regard). Slaves allowed whites to count 3/5 of a person for each slave - which gave the Slaver South extra representation in Congress, which they happily used to force Slaver-friendly laws and policies through the legislature. When the matter finally came to a head, the Slavers declared themselves a confederacy *based on permanent slavery as the sine qua non*.


History. It’s *full* of surprises.
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States are run like plantations, not countries, you just finding that out?

“States’ Rights” has *always* been bullshit.
While I agree somewhat, there's a flip side. The USA hasn't proclaimed cannabis as "legal". If it weren't for individual State statutes, mandates, citizens voting in the measure, we would not have Medical cannabis OR recreational cannabis available.

Some states are better than others, granted. I was in SO CO when the measure was voted upon in Colorado, by citizens! Other states have "rules" for cannabis, yet it's available, accessable.

Perhaps the next leader in the WH will finally break down the walls of draconian thought and actions.
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Far and away the very worst horrible 'president" in USA history. There is zero valid defense of him, zero positive truthful actions.
But it's not a coincidence that he's in office.

Trump is PRECISELY what both Dems & Repug's voted for.
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It's not hard to imagine that had this crisis happened 5 years ago (as it almost did with the Ebola outbreak) this would be playing very differently; you'd have the Federal Government running a centralised task force, staffed by experts, controlling the response at the Federal, State and local level - and it would be the Fox News crowd and Republican Governors complaining about Federal overreach and using that silly Reagan quote about the Government coming to help people. But they'd probably be wrong, and overall things would work out; people would still be dying, but almost certainly fewer, and the outbreak would be controlled.

Except now the Federal Government is being controlled by an administration with a well-deserved reputation for being dishonest, incompetent, and criminally corrupt. The taskforce that should be co-ordinating the national response isn't doing so because the administration fired them all years ago. Then lied about firing them. Then insulted journalists for questioning those lies. The administration appears to have been allocating resources not based on need but based on political favours (and which Governors have been showing personal loyalty to the President). The administration's response has been chaotic and confused (first it wasn't a problem, then it was a national emergency; first Vice-President Pence was in charge of everything, now Jared Kushner appears to be in control, and all of it is subject to the whims of an unstable President); the administration has changed its story so many times, undermined or contradicted its own advice, and generally done everything it can to suggest that it shouldn't be in charge of anything.

The small-government Republicans have spent decades trying to undermine the idea of a strong Federal Government, and it seems they've finally proved their point. Having a strong Federal Government is a bad idea, when it is controlled by the incompetent, corrupt and criminally insane.
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