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Old 11-05-2019, 01:09 PM #1
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preparing cannabis for storage without curing

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I was wondering if anyone has tips to always attain the same quality when only drying and not curing.

I am a vaper and for vaping I just don't like cured cannabis. Cured cannabis has deep smells and they translate well to the taste when smoking. Cured cannabis makes my smoke smooth and potent.

But exactly the same herb from the same jar will taste bland and the effect will be much weaker when I vape it. If I would take a bud from the same harvest that had just been dried to a certain point and then frozen. The one stored in the freezer is always more potent and tasty than the cured ones in the vape. ANd I always get that live plant smell mmmm. For smoking, this same bud will be inferior and a bit more harsh for smoking.




That is why I mostly freeze my cannabis once it has attainted a certain point during the drying process. Because I am a vaper now and taste and effect is important to me. I am not saying the cured ones are not tasty or good to vape, they are, but they are inferior to the frozen ones without a cure.


And to be honest multiple times during the drying process of any strain, the herb reaches a point where it is super tasty and strong, no harshness, better than cured weed IMO, but they are often a lil bit too wet for storage at this point. I would like to reach that point of quality and then freeze it.

I have done it many times, the problem is consistency of results due to changing conditions. For freezing it really needs to be at a certain point or else the herb will be mediocre afterwards.

People always say that after drying their buds don't smell strong and they use the cure to bring out the smells. But for me, when I dry, the cannabis is always reeking and very pungent and sticky. I don't want the smells or the intensity of the smells to change, I want it to stay like that, the strong fresh smell (like the buds were still on the plants when alive). Herb that is in this state gives me the thickest vaper, the most bags (for the volcano), the best taste and the best effect. I don't really get louder smells when curing, smells are always loud, even when just dried. Curing for me just changes the smells, brings out smells that werent there before.

The problem is that I don't have a climate controlled room and I can only get herb in this state if I dry at 18 degrees celsius at 55-60% RH. Sadly the conditions often change, making it difficult to acchieve the same result over and over again. If the RH is lower I lose a lot of flavour and texture; If it is much higher, the herb just doesn't dry.

Using humidifiers and dehumidifiers is not an option as they are too agressive and the air is not mixed well , not homogenous.

I was thinking of maybe using glass jars to slightly dry the herb a little more to get it from bending to snapping stems in the bigger buds. But then never closing the jars, just leaving them slightly open.

Could that help in maintaining the original flavors? If I close the jars, after a few days (with burping) the smell goes away and then after a few weeks new deeper smells start to develop. But I just lose the initial fresh intense smells. That is why I want to avoid closing the jar. I don't want it to cure, I just want it to get slightly drier to all buds are uniformely dry.

The goal is to get them to the point where they are almost done drying and then to get all the stems to snap (also the bigger ones) but without keeping the jar closed and allowing them to cure.

For freezing the buds for vaping they need to be sticky, smelly, spongy, and the stem needs to make a snapping sound ithout breaking in
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SO could this be a solution? Or does anyone else have a solution? I just hate to vape cured buds.

Maybe put the buds in an open mason jar after clipping buds from branches. Letting it sit like that for a few hours and then keeping the jar almost closed while still allowing air to escape, slowing down the drying process without letting them sweat too much? And then letting them air out a bit for a few days?

They just need to get to the point where they are uniformly dry, still sticky tasty and strong with the original smell with (barely) snapping stems.

Once they are taken out of the freezer they will sweat and then stems will snap more clean.

This is not a debate about freezing or not freezing, I do it, it works for me. Rather this about getting herb to the ideal point to be suitable for freezing WITHOUT a classic cure to avoid smells changing and keeping the original loud aroma of the buds.

For example jar curing amnesia or sweet pink grapefruit will just rape the aroma. You get smelly dank bud, but you just lose the initial magic smell the bud had.

I hope I was clear enough in desrcibing the problem I am having cuz it is difficult in another language.
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Old 11-05-2019, 10:44 PM #2
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To store buds for months or years without any worries about mold, I took inspiration from the thread started by Tangwena, which describes the method of curing weed that originated in Malawi.

I get the weed as dry as I can, until the stems snap, and then I compress it into a puck, using a modified car jack. That puck is then sealed using Food Saver vacuum machine, before placing that sealed puck into an air tight and water tight container that I generally hide down in the swamp, to keep my house "clean" in the climate of prohibition still prevailing here.

From my experience, weed stored this way gets tastier and more potent with time. With the tonnage I apply to compact the bud, along with the complete extraction of air by the vacuum machine, I have ZERO mold issues with this method of storage that requires no refrigeration.
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Old 11-05-2019, 11:48 PM #3
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you want more mono terps in your smoke, you have to construct a controlled space to dry, small grow tent is easiest.

most of the time if your ambient humidity is below 60% you dont need a dehumidifier, just a fan will do.
if you are in the tropics look into peltier dehumidifiers and coolers for conditioning a small drying box.

in the first part of the drying process a fan will turn on to exhaust the tent and bring down the humidity but when you get to a certain stage you will have to have a humidifeir to add moisture as soon as you drop below 60%.

the $39 two stage controller I use for humidity control in my dry space is this.
Inkbird Digital Pre-Wired Outlet Dual Stage Humidity Controller IHC-200

this is the humidifier I use, it's big enough for a bed room but will work in a tent too, it takes a bit of rewiring to bypass the built in humidistat so you can run it from the inkbird controller.

AIRCARE 831000 Space-Saver, White Whole House Evaporative Humidifier 2700 sq. ft

if you have a small tent or closet you could use a much smaller Evaporative Humidifier or even a small mist unit.

if you don't have the humidifier you can't slow the process down enough to keep the goodies in your buds, you want it to take 12-20 days or so before they are ready to jar or tote depending on how dense the buds are.

you only need air conditioning if you are in a really hot place with no access to a basement or air conditioned room in a house.

60-65 degrees is ideal but low seventies won't be a deal breaker.

this controller works well if you are cooling with a fan and it's dual stage if you need to add some heat at night.
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Old 11-06-2019, 09:25 AM #4
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@chunkypigThank you that is exactly the info I needed!! A good drying proces to me is much more important than a cure!! Looks like you got it all down and I can already smell them from here!!

Why do I need the Inkbird controller if the unit already has a built in humidistat? I saw the product page on amazon.

-One more question, do you keep the exhaust fans on for consistent airflow or do you turn it off after 7-10 days to further slow the process down? Or do you gradually turn down the settign on the exhaust fan?

Thanks in advance

@swamp thang: thnks for your input, but like Chunkypigs said, I want more monoterpens in my bud, I want the original fresh smell and taste the plant had when still alive. I only get that with a good drying process. Curing will change mono to sesquiterpenes. And I just don't like cured buds. I like em fresh. They can be real smooth and tasty when fresh if dried well.
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I gave up on curing from so many losses due to my inability to control temperature and humidity in unheated sheds and garages. This year I dried it to 55%, then into the freezer. I was surprised to find that I'm still getting a fair amount of flavor from the uncured weed.
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Hi

I was wondering if anyone has tips to always attain the same quality when only drying and not curing.

I am a vaper and for vaping I just don't like cured cannabis. Cured cannabis has deep smells and they translate well to the taste when smoking. Cured cannabis makes my smoke smooth and potent.

But exactly the same herb from the same jar will taste bland and the effect will be much weaker when I vape it.
You can use a jar to store the buds without air (well technically there's a tiny amount of air).

Anyway, that pretty much stops most biological processes, like curing.

Vacuum seal them in a jar, and put them in a freezer, and when you take them out they will be VERY similar to how they went in.

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Why do I need the Inkbird controller if the unit already has a built in humidistat? I saw the product page on amazon.

-One more question, do you keep the exhaust fans on for consistent airflow or do you turn it off after 7-10 days to further slow the process down? Or do you gradually turn down the settign on the exhaust fan?
you need the controller so your dehumidifier or exhaust fan used for dehumidification doesn't run at the same time as the humidifier runs.

the controller has setting your can modify to control how close they come to overlapping. if you rely on 2 different controllers, one on humidifier and one on dehumidifier they will probably end up both on at the same time.

exhuast fan is used to de humidify in a small tent or space with small amounts of bud when the ambient humidity is less than what you want, in this case less than 60%.

once you hang more than a few pounds you probably will want to use a dehumidifier but you don't have to if your ambient air is really dry.

when I'm drying in my sealed grow room the exhaust fan is not used at all, just the AC, dehumidifier, humidifier and circulation fans.

when I dry in a small tent the exhaust fan only runs to lower the humidity and no circulation fan in that small space. the controller and humidifier are key to have hooked up because the fresh weed will dry out enough to drop the tent below 60% and then if you don't have the humidifier ready your shit will overdry and finish too fast.

as long as the humidifier is running you can leave buds hanging for over a month. some of my dense cookies need weeks at 60% before they are ready for totes.

leave the buds on 12-18" or more of stem, the moisture in the stems helps slow the drying process and slower equals better flavor and more terpenes left in the herb.

wait to buck and dry trim until they will be smoked or vended.
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Great better weed quit blaming everything else.

If your bud does not get absolutely undeniably better with time, especially in w vape "grow better weed " is the only thing you need to do.. You do not have a grasp on flavor if you St any point think a vape tastes bland. Could be you, but it's your weed, I already know. The herb most people are growing today has zero flavor metabolites.
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My weed is very flavorful, it is about preferences, I just enjoy fresh herb, I don't like aged herb because it changes and converts monoterpenes into sesquiterpenes. Some like cured weed, some like it fresh....And I am just looking to capture that fresh dankness. Plus curing is just pain in the ass for me. I only cure very small batches in case I want to smoke a special joint on special occasions.
For me the first 6-8 weeks of curing I really like the weed for vaping because then the original smell intensifies. But between 8-12 weeks when the smells really start to change, I just don't like it in the vape. It is smooth, tasty and strong, but compared to the fresh frozen herb it is bland in the vape.

And even though you might not believe it, fresh frozen weed (just drying no cure) also gets better and tastier in the freezer.

So yes, it gets better with curing (as opposed to not storing it in a jar) but it is not better (for me peronally) than frozen herb at a specific point. Do you get what I am saying? It is all about taste and preferences......

I don't want my amnesia to lose that sweet lemony smell, with curing the sandalwood undertones start to emerge, but I just really like the fresh smell. Same with Swee Pink grapefruit, after 4 months curing it smells super strong and dank but the rotten complex undertones make way for a more generic sweet white strain kind of smell. It is these changes in smell that I just don't want for certain strains. With curing you will always change the aroma, especially with long cures. Other strains like many purples or haze strains really conserve their original smell well with curing. I think it depends on the terpenes which processing method you should choose. Jars aren't always best, even though everyone uses them.
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This year I divided the harvest of each of the 17 plants into 3 or 4 batches. All at different points of dryness to see what works best for smoking and what works best for vaping. (and to see how they come out of the freezer as opposed to how they were frozen).

Sometimes when I take weed out of the freezer (depends on what point they were frozen) they are just perfect and sometimes they are still a lil bit too wet or a bit too dry.

So I tried to fix the ones that were not optimal and I just put em in a closed jar for 2 days and then after that they are just perfect and I put em back in mylar so they don't change too much. Not too wet, not too dry, nothing but loud smells and the taste which is just as the smell.

It is a mini cure(or quick sweat), this way the herb always gets to the same point, every time.

This is really working well now. nothing but smoothness and taste and STRONG effects. And the herb is nice and fresh. They smell like on the plant.

Slowly but surely I am getting where I want. I should have taken notes of each batch but 17 times 3 or 4 was way too much paperwork. I will note everything down when I will be processing a single strain harvest. I still know most of it.

The only thing left to really perfect it is to control the RH and Temp in my room like chunkypigs showed me. I think after that I will be 100% satisfied and really be able to take it to another (consistent) level.

I just woke up from a involuntary weednap. My weed also cockblocked me yesteday evening as I let my FWB smoke some of the new weed and she fell into some sort of wintersleep at 21 o clock in the evening.

It is funny how this simple outdoor guerilla shit is way better than the cookies or gorillaa Glue or amnesia that is sold on the streets. It's just that those folks that sell really don't know how to dry.
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