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Old 11-10-2019, 08:52 PM #11
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Have you seen this thread about finishing drying/curing your buds in the freezer?

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=186222

It’s a pretty interesting concept. You dry the buds for 3-5 days to reduce a lot of the moisture. Then you place them in a frost free freezer in an open container for a month or more. A frost free freezer works by gently heating the walls of the freezer to melt any frost, then it evacuates the moist air from the freezer; thus preventing frost buildup. This process is basically a very slow version of freeze drying, where the water actually sublimates (changes from a solid to a gas, without a liquid phase) from the surface.

I have done this once when I was going out of town a few days after harvest, and will be doing it again soon. For me it really did work, the buds dried and were mold free. You can move them to sealed jars and continue to store in the freezer or a cool dark place. I didn’t have anything to actually compare, but I felt the buds had a much “fresher” taste upon combustion. The buds were brighter green and more spongy than my normal process produces. I haven’t done it since then, but that’s just being stupid and in the habit of doing it other ways.

I would highly recommend you process even a small portion of your next harvest in this manner and see if it’s something you’re looking for.
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I did see it and I think it is a good idea. But I cannot try it this year as my freezer is full of weed and food that I grew myself. But next harvest I'll try a few buds. Seems like a good way to preserve all terps. I am a bit worried about texture as the buds go in fresh but you never know if you never try so yeah soon I'll try it and post the results.

With freshr taste you mean like smooth and tastefull or you mean a more green cholorophyl taste? How was the texture of the buds?
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The buds were more spongy or springy, but in a nice way. It made nice material for joints. The fresher taste is harder to describe... the taste was more vibrant... tasted more like what I imagine vaping a fresh bud off the plant SHOULD taste like. It definitely wasn’t a greener/chlorophyll taste, the bud was very smooth. It could have been placebo but it was kind of like a altoids mint... cool and fresh, and a little stronger than you expected. Now, I really wish I had some to compare in my current stash.

Glad to hear you had a bountiful harvest and have a freezer full of buds and food!
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I am experimenting a lot and bought a bunch of mini jars (for like 2 grams of bud). This way I can experiment more with many methods without the risk of losing too much weed when it goes wrong.

So I just wanna equalize the moisture of the bud without a real cure, I want to retain the smells I have when they are done drying and intensify those without developping new or deeper smells. (fresh weed at its best).

I talked to a few grower buddies and of all my grow buddies there is only ONE who has the same quality as me. But he doesn't freeze his weed, rather he does jar cure them. But his weed always smells just as loud as my frozen weed, but it has the perfect texture and moisture content for smoking. I won't explain his whole method, but he does ONE THING, that I never dared to try but something that makes a lot of sense. He just dries it to a specific point and then the jar stays closed, no burping.......

His weed is just perfect, not too wet (nowwhere near as wet as simon's method) and not too dry. It is just how I like my weed for smoking and it also vapes pretty well.

I am going to experiment with finding the sweet spot to jar them without burping(talking bout full jar here).

I don't have newly harvested weed, but I do have a lot of frozen, uncured (even untrimmed) weed. So I am going to experiment with that.


I already noticed a few things:

1)If I want to make my freezer stored weed optimal for smoking and even better for vaping, I just throw a few untrimmed nugs inside a jar for a few hours so it can breathe inside of the jar, equalize moisture and lost a little bit of moisture without really drying out. The rest of the nugs stay in mylar where they remain in stasis. It is important that there is very little vegetative matter compared to the amount of free space in the jar. Remember, this is not curing, this is drying out the bud in a closed environment. For example if I were to put the same quantity of bud in a small jar, the bud would sweat instead of dry.

This is a really great method for me as it takes out a lot of stress factors. No preparation, just dry and store and just before use let it breathe a little bit. The taste was like perfectly cured cannabis and so quick, without burping and waiting so long. It vaped and smoked well!!!

My stash however is not dry enough to keep them closed in full jar like my buddy does, I will experiment with drying my weed a bit more before sealing them in a jar but the real experiment will have to wait untill next harvest.

2) I also noticed something I noticed years ago: If I follow all the instructions that I ready everywhere (and there are a lot of different ones) I notice that when I burp jars, somehow the quality and smells just change too much for me.

Or one time they smell dank, the other time less and in extreme cases the quality just got worse burp after burp. I have had some great jar cured cannabis, also following simon's method. But it was just not the kind of quality I am looking for.

What I also noticed is sometimes I cured weed for 4 months. I popped the jar after all that time, I open it and smell it. The weed is just stellar and then, every time I open it quality gets to shit. It still smells good but it tastes like it is too dry even when it is spongy.

I don't get how people can burp their jars every day, some for even 30 minutes, and not end up with shit quality. It seems like many of these instructions (not simons) are made so you get weed that is just too dry.

Another reason could be that many of these guides were written by usa people. They smoke without tobacco. Maybe to smoke without tobacco (and also the vape) the weed needs to be a lot more moist than for smoking weed pure.

I am rambling but with all these new mini jars I bought I am gonna do some serious side by side experiment.

Main point of the whole ramble was, I noticed that if I cure cannabis without ever opening the jar, I get what I am looking for: the original fresh smell intensified. The smell will stay like that for 6-8 weeks and then the typical "cure smell" comes (which I just don't like).

Difficulty is finding the exact same point over and over again for evry batch. Too dry and it will be no good, too wet = same.

Does anyone have experience here with just drying till a specific point and then jarring them without any burp or opening them for checkup.

Can anyone who has done this describe how the buds feel moisture wise before sealing them?

My buddies buds (after coming out of jar after a month) were sticky, outside was dry but not crunchy, stem snapped after bending a lil bit, smells were loud. So how would this weed have been before jarring, I guess almost bone dry.
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Old 01-09-2020, 11:33 AM #15
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Did a side by side.

I cured some guerilla gold 3 nugs for 4 weeks in small jars.

1 jar was opened once per week

1 jar was opened every day

1 jar was never opened

and 1 batch was just put in a mylar bag and then sealed.

The aromas were best in the jar that was opened once per week and the jar that was never opened. And then the mylar bag was also real good.

Taste wise and structure wise, the one in mylar won hands down!! The ones in jars smelled great after a month but did not taste the same. They were alright in the vape but real green in a joint.
The one in mylar was sweet and tasted just like the smell.

In mylar they don't sweat that much as in glass jars. The same weed in a jar would get real moist whereas the one in mylar equalizes the moisture but doesn't really sweat. I think this is due to the fact that there is not much air in a mylar bag to lose moisture to. (low VPD)

What I also did in another test was letting a mylar bag that came out of the freezer breathe for 15 minutes and then I put the mylar bag in a jar and let it rest for 2 weeks. This also works really well for me.

For some reason (probably low VPD in the bags) as long as the buds stay in the mylar, the structure and moisture content and aromas remain stable and improve.

As soon as I put buds in a glass jar they lose their balance. Also the buds in jars taste different each day it seems. The same weed in a mylar bag in a glass jar does not have this problem. Taste and high stay the same and the structure improves.

The reason I put mylar bags in jars is because I have ziplock mylar bags. In winter here RH is real low so after a few days in the mylar they will start to dry out. So after a few days, when the outside of the buds becomes a lil drier/less sticky, I put the mylar bag in a jar and then after 2 weeks it is just perfect.

With losing their balance I mean changes in taste and smell etc... or for example that they smell great but don't taste like they smell.

I think I am going to make a procedure using only mylar and ditching the jars. This really seems key to preserving the fresh smells and the good full rich taste and smoothness.

The more I experiment the more I dislike jars. With the mylars there is so little that can go wrong compared to jars and also the end result is not the same. They also age way better in mylar. No stale smells of brown coloration after a year in bags.

Jars are great if you want to cure the weed and you can wait 6-12 weeks but the end result in jars is not the quality I am looking for. I need a faster method that focuses on fresh dank in your face smells. With curing the aroma gets deep and complex but it is not my preferred kind of weed.
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Finally found a great way to cure without funny smells of aromas changing all the time.

When most branches snap, but some of the bigger ones still bend I remove the buds from the branches. Then I let them sit overnight in a closed closet in an open jar.

As soon as I notice the outside getting a bit crispy and the bud is crumbly but still sticky, I put them in a glass jar and keep it closed, no burping. Stems snap at this point, some can still be a lil bendy and snap at 45 degrees.

After a month I just get the fresh, dank original smell of the bud with a great smooth taste in a joint AND in a vaporizer.

I am now experimenting with small jar to see for how long smells stay fresh and how it improves (or deteriorates) over time.

This works for me!!! Burping just doens't work for me, I don't like it how weed changes with burps. Even tried Simon's method, but it was not what I was looking for.

Btw As soon as I open a jar I put all the buds in mylar bags and seal so they stay that way. If I open a jar a few times the quality is fucked for me.

This method gives you more of a commercial type smell and texture (bit on dried side but still sticky). But it stays FRESH

That being said, Simon's method does make for some interesting smell development so I was thinking of trying to cure a jar at 64% RH for 2-3 months and as soon as it smells amazing I will try to bring humidity down by using the method described above.

And so we keep on experimenting and testing
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