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Old 04-03-2012, 05:18 AM #1
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Question Greenleaf Nutrients...

I saw this company on Ebay and it appears they sell dry nutes which replicate the liquid formulas of several of the big boys--General Hydroponics, Advanced, House & Garden and some others.

https://greenleafnutrients.com/

Does anyone have info about them?
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Old 04-03-2012, 11:34 AM #2
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Tried them, and did not really like them at all. Thought it would save some bucks but when we tested the Cal/Mag product for example we had all sorts of problems as the formula is missing some key ingredients.

As far as we could tell is it a very poor attempt at copying original formula's. Some of the ingredients they use are not in the correct form at all and IMHO should never be used in a water supply intended for plant nutrition (hydroponics). I think some people under estimate or just do not know what all goes into a quality nutrient formula. You can not just mix some basic salts together in powder form and hope to achieve the same thing. It just does not work that way.

How you process your different source materials for your different ingredients is a huge part of it. This is also costly to have the hardware (lab equipment for starters to properly test your final product and control quality) on hand needed to actually perform some of the processes and this is what affects the final retail cost of a nutrient.

Sure; liquid nutrients are mostly water but that water is just the "carrier" for the nutrient contents of the nutrient solution and that is what is oh so important; as well as those items being in the correct form.

In all fairness we only tried a few of the products like the Cal/Mag and what they call the "Logic" one part grow/bloom formula, and a couple of the pk booster additives.

I can appreciate the efforts and I do think there is MUCH potential there. It is a great idea and concept for one.
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Old 04-05-2012, 02:04 PM #3
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If you want to save money mix/purchase the salts your self or purchase one of the many very reasonable priced professionally made powders on the market today like Maxi Bloom from GH or Veg+Bloom from Hydroponic-Research or Jack's just to name a few.
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Old 04-08-2012, 04:37 PM #4
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Thanks for the reply. Sounds like you think the formulas you used sucked. I was hoping this company would have decent products so I could reduce some of the outrageous shipping costs (to where I am).
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I purchased some stuff a couple of months ago. I thought it would be great to replicate a few additives I use from overpriced AN. I used the B-52 copy as per their instructions...and it raised my EC one whole point. I haven't even added my base nutes yet. I chatted with him(Chris I think) online about it...but I could never get the situation resolved. It's like he doesn't even understand his own products. I am now afraid to use any of the other stuff I bought. Live and learn I guess.
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Tried them, and did not really like them at all. Thought it would save some bucks but when we tested the Cal/Mag product for example we had all sorts of problems as the formula is missing some key ingredients.

As far as we could tell is it a very poor attempt at copying original formula's. Some of the ingredients they use are not in the correct form at all and IMHO should never be used in a water supply intended for plant nutrition (hydroponics). I think some people under estimate or just do not know what all goes into a quality nutrient formula. You can not just mix some basic salts together in powder form and hope to achieve the same thing. It just does not work that way.
Hi Biomaster. Maybe you can go into some specific details of exactly what you mean in your above statement. You are aware that most of the ingredients in liquid form nutrients are just salts added to water? With the exception of a few companies like House & Garden which use Potassium Hydroxide, or should I say due to their caustic forms are not well suited for dry handling and application. Unless you are a fan of Fight Club that is

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I purchased some stuff a couple of months ago. I thought it would be great to replicate a few additives I use from overpriced AN. I used the B-52 copy as per their instructions...and it raised my EC one whole point. I haven't even added my base nutes yet. I chatted with him(Chris I think) online about it...but I could never get the situation resolved. It's like he doesn't even understand his own products. I am now afraid to use any of the other stuff I bought. Live and learn I guess.
hi Lowman. Did you use the dosage correctly or understand how the dosage instructions worked??
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hi Lowman. Did you use the dosage correctly or understand how the dosage instructions worked??
Yes...I did use the correct dosage. And like my earlier post stated....I chatted with someone on the website about the issue....but didn't get it resolved or any closer to a resolution and then was hung up on by the person at the website. Very rude and uninformative customer service top say the least. I ask simple straight forward questions....and all I got was redundant scripted answers.

I do not plan on using any of the products I purchased now since I mixed up the Budcandy copycat product....it doesn't smell or look anything like budcandy and neither does the B-52 product. You can smell the vitamins in the AN B-52....this crap I got is not even close.
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@-squarepush3r -I am aware that the ingredients in liquid based nutrients are NOT just salts added to water. I think this is where the problem starts with these Greenleaf products. You need to understand the processes involved in making a solution. You can not just mix the basic salts together and call it "the same" or even close because it is not.

And just a FYI bro, House & Garden products are not even on the same PLANET as Greenleaf copy stuff.......to even attempt and compare them to greenleaf is freakin INSANITY!!! House and Garden is in another class of its own from most other competing products

What we found was that the greenleaf formula products we tested ONLY contained basic salts and even some of those are missing and in the wrong ratio, or wrong form, and especially the stuff being sold as a bud candy copy. Wow, that stuff is about the farthest thing from what the real bud candy contains. I think who ever made this stuff does NOT understand a lot about how nutrients are made. I think the bud candy copy actually contains things you would buy at a grocery store! LOL!

The stuff sold as a Bud Candy copy and also the Cal/Mag copy product was probably the worst two out of what we tried. The cal/mag copy especially caused some major issues and we even had to totally scrap one of the test bed we were using. The Cal/mag is missing bicarbonates and nitrate nitrogen among other things which is the heart and soul of a cal/mag product and also what makes cal/mag supplementing help the ph to be stable.

I think greenleaf also does not comprehend the fact that not all ingredients are listed on the label and also not listed on the label is lots of other very important information. It seems greenleaf confuses the "derived from" section of the label with something else.

We did not test most of there products because frankly it was not even worth the cost of the water needed to run the test (we use RO water that is considered to be of hospital grade, 0PPM and 7.0pH). There was just no reason to continue testing due to what we found already in what we did test which was, the Hammer Head copy, the cal/mag copy, and the bud candy copy and the one part grow formula. We assumed the rest of the products would be near the same.

I also found whoever is running or making this stuff is rather rude and does not even have a basic understanding of nutrients for plants. If I were to rate the customer service from Greenleaf I would say it is non existent!

It is a great concept and I hope one day someone takes the time and money to do something like this but properly. Much homework would need to be done and you have to reverse engineer the product your trying to copy. There are some big companies out there that sell and do not make there own formulations. This is because of cost. Even General Hydroponics which is a HUGE company that has been around forever does not make half the stuff they sell. They are just now in the past few years starting to invest the MONEY in the facility to make there own products.

Making a quality nutrient product cost MONEY. You can not just mix some basics salts together and call it a "copy" of the parent product. This seems to be all that Greenleaf has even tried to do.

I would not recommend anyone waste your money on these Greenleaf products as it is just not worth it. If you want to deal with powders there are several QUALITY powders available. Jack's and Veg+Bloom to name two.
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I'll be throwing out everything I bought. Live & learn.
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Old 04-13-2012, 04:33 PM #10
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That kinda sucks lowman, but your right, live and learn. Ive wasted a few bucks for sure in the past and it kinda taste bad..... If your looking for a really good affordable nutrient line check out Blue Planet Nutrients. Shoot the guy Corey an email and he will hook you up bro, with some quality nutrients. I think he will send you samples to try even possibly. This dude knows his stuff for sure. We tried his 2 part and 3 part with a pk booster and the stuff rocks and is super cheap.
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