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Day 1: Not a Legal Cannabis Seed for Sale in Canada, Anywhere.

fatigues

Active member
Veteran
In case you went looking in any of the provinces online and physical stores today, the same discovery will meet your investigation no matter where you look.

There is not a legal cannabis seed anywhere in Canada for sale. Not one.

The reported reason for this? The LPs have not made seeds available to the provinces for sale "as yet".

Now, this should not be a surprise. The LPs, who have been tasked with the exclusive right to breed, grow and sell cannabis seeds to the provincial distributors for resale have not made ONE SINGLE SEED available for sale on Legalization day. Why? There is nothing in it for them in terms of profit. There are only losses. They want customers in line to buy weed, not seed.

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While it is true that it takes longer for seed plants to mature than a plant rushed through flower, it's not THAT much longer. They have had time. More than enough time. They just don't see it is as a priority. There is not enough profit in it. Not even close to enough. Every seed sold cannibalizes into their profit from selling flower. Not just to the grower, but to the growers' friends and family, too.

If you are a LP in Canada, you don't want to sell seeds. You want to sell dope. And you don't particularly want anybody else to sell seeds, either.

Now, for those wondering "Who cares, I'll just use this that and the other seed from any 1 of 400 online seed sellers worldwide", here's the catch: your cannabis grow is illegal and subject to seizure, with you getting charged under the CDSA, if you are growing illicit cannabis.

You cannot legally possess illicit cannabis, store it, give it away, transport it, or consume it. Illicit cannabis has NOT been legalized.

While we can argue about the difficulty of proving that a grow was from illicit seeds -- as opposed to legal seeds -- we can't have much of a discussion about it if there is not a single licit cannabis seed for sale in Canada. We KNOW, given that fact situation, that any grow must be illegal and the fruits of an illicit cannabis seed.

Yeah, sure, in the fullness of time some company will make some seeds available for purchase. But this only underscores how the entire concept of restricting cannabis seed sales and classifying one as licit and the other as illicit was a BAD PLAN from the word go.

The Cannabis Act will need amendment to deal with this. The easy solution is that cannabis seeds should not be controlled and should simply be available for purchase and sale anywhere. If you want to put an age limit on it, go ahead. But even that seems needlessly heavy-handed. No kid is able to do anything with a cannabis seed in any amount of time that matters. If the parents can't watch their kid for 4 months? That's not on the government.

Today's lack of a single legal seed for sale tells us that the LPs cannot be trusted to serve this market. It is plainly against their economic interests to do so. It always was.

This requires more thought, less reaction.
 

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troutman

Seed Whore
Who care about Health Canada approved Hemp seeds?

LP's a have trouble growing a clean crop. How in the phuck are they going to breed?

People have obtained seeds for decades and I don't think Health Canada can stop them.

Seed monopolies are probably against a Human Right and would be easily challenged in court.

Does the Government tell you whom to buy tomato seeds from?
 

OGEvilgenius

Member
Veteran
The whole legalization regime is disgusting. So are the people trying to support it. Kirk Tousaw should go jump off a fuckin cliff. Mother fuckin loser.
 

fatigues

Active member
Veteran
The whole legalization regime is disgusting. So are the people trying to support it. Kirk Tousaw should go jump off a fuckin cliff. Mother fuckin loser.

No, it's not all disgusting - and Kirk Tousaw is a fine lawyer and did a great deal for medical cannabis users in Canada. Kirk Tousaw doesn't owe YOU a goddamned thing, either. You want to pay him as your corporate counsel on a yearly basis? Do it. If you can't, STFU.

Just because there is a problem in a legal regulatory framework doesn't mean you throw the whole thing out. It means you fix the problem.
 

fatigues

Active member
Veteran
Who care about Health Canada approved Hemp seeds?

LP's a have trouble growing a clean crop. How in the phuck are they going to breed?

People have obtained seeds for decades and I don't think Health Canada can stop them.

Seed monopolies are probably against a Human Right and would be easily challenged in court.

Does the Government tell you whom to buy tomato seeds from?

No, they can't be challenged in court. No, it's not a Human Rights issue in connection with recreational weed. What it is, is a supply and distribution problem, which has the potential to grow into a true clusterfuckunless it is soon addressed.

It needs fixing. It's easy to fix. The question is, when will it get fixed -- and by whom?
 

troutman

Seed Whore
No, they can't be challenged in court. No, it's not a Human Rights issue in connection with recreational weed. What it is, is a supply and distribution problem, which has the potential to grow into a true clusterfuckunless it is soon addressed.

It needs fixing. It's easy to fix. The question is, when will it get fixed -- and by whom?

I'm not only recreational. I'm also medical. :tiphat:

The Government in trying to control all aspects are idiots. Do they tell wine makers were to buy
their grapes? Allowing anyone to make seeds would generate a new source of income and taxes.
Monopolies are the biggest fuckup the Canadian Government supports. How many times has
Air Canada needed a bailout? I forget now if CN rail needed one too. But yeah, anytime the
Government puts their nose into stuff it all goes to shit.
 

kickarse

Active member
Cannabis, stolen from the people and given to the governments mates.

could i have a little bit of cannabis with me TAX
 

OGEvilgenius

Member
Veteran
No, it's not all disgusting - and Kirk Tousaw is a fine lawyer and did a great deal for medical cannabis users in Canada. Kirk Tousaw doesn't owe YOU a goddamned thing, either. You want to pay him as your corporate counsel on a yearly basis? Do it. If you can't, STFU.

Just because there is a problem in a legal regulatory framework doesn't mean you throw the whole thing out. It means you fix the problem.


Nope. I see the retarded things he posts all day long. He's a fuckin clown and so is anyone like him. Regulations are bullshit. They keep small players out of the market and prices high. That's their only purpose. No regulations and the black market was crashing in price and quality was skyrocketing. Now we're gonna be stuck with horse shit, half of it not even grown in Canada. Hell, most of it probably not even grown in Canada (wait and see).

He's a loser sell out.
 

Gmack

Member
Grow your own and make your own seeds. Then take those seeds germ them all in the spring and place them all over the fucking place. Come back In the fall and collect your next round of seeds. Stop expecting the corporate overlords from helping you. They want your money. Over and over. Just because they can sell seeds doesn't mean they have to.
 

Gmack

Member
Seeds are litterly the easiest thing to do when growing cannabis. Shit, people make them accidentally all the time.
 

kickarse

Active member
Hope the TAX meets the government expectations, or ya might find self supply being made illegal soon, or a paid permit will be required.

the only difference legal makes is, the governments get ya $ not ya mates
 

fatigues

Active member
Veteran
wtf would you ever consider buying seeds from an LP?! thats just nasty

Firstly, with the change in the Cannabis Act Regulation this summer, any LP can take the entire seed catalog of Gypsy, Seedsman and several other sellers, and bring 6,000+ strains into the Cannabis Act regime as "legal seeds". They can grow them out and sell them under whatever damn name they like.

So yes. I would like to buy those. So would anybody.

Secondly, never mind whether I want to buy them or not -- if they are not for sale, anywhere, then home growing isn't legal. That's the way the Cannabis Act works. Only "licit" cannabis is legal. And to become even arguably legal for recreational purposes, someone, somewhere in Canada, had to at the very least be able to buy one fucking legal seed for a recreational grow.

Do you understand why that might be of importance now?
 

mean mr.mustard

I Pass Satellites
Veteran
Licit clones are 80 bucks a pop?

Licit pollen won't exist?

It's geared for profit and not the consumer?

Nobody could see that coming.
 

fatigues

Active member
Veteran
Licit clones are 80 bucks a pop?

Licit pollen won't exist?

It's geared for profit and not the consumer?

Nobody could see that coming.

Clones are legal, but likely will not be carried in most provinces as they are simply not set up on a practical basis to handle them.

Medical clones available directly from a LP under the ACMPR are not rec weed. You can give rec weed away; the terms of the ACMPR prevent you from doing so with medical weed.

While seeds are governed, pollen is not under the Cannabis Act.
 
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