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Old 02-20-2017, 03:30 AM #11
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It's pretty hard to get root rot in coco but it's possible under certain conditions. In order to get root rot you have to let the plant sit in stagnant wet coco for a few days maybe a bit longer. See where I'm getting at? If you water frequently the coco never becomes stagnant and oxygen keeps on getting pulled into the medium every time.

Thank you. I believe that looking at our roots tells us many things. They need more attention.
Yea i get it.. The way you explained it. It made perfect sense to me. Im gonna set up to start watering once a day. And see the difference in growth from before..
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Watering once a day in coco can be too much when your coco stays on the wet side of a moisture meter. Of course when you first feed the coco is on the wet/saturated side and that's not optimal for root growth. Moist is the optimal range because extremely wet media will lock nutes out. The shorter amount of time a plant stays in the wet range, the better.
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Old 02-20-2017, 04:47 AM #13
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I'm in pro pots 3gal "fabric pots" love the root pruning and always have them well above the saucer so there never sitting in the runoff. I too use an air stone in my res and water enough everyday to keep on the low side of moist in soil. I'm in FFOF with 30% perlite so it drains and dries quickly. My timer is set for 60 sec once a day when the lights come on. I too find that the water pulling the O2 down into the roots as well as the water being oxygenated and pro pot is a win. The plants love it and I cant wait to convert to coco.

My hydro store carry's Royal gold basement mix, not sure its as pure as other blends. Not a lot of info on it.
Sounds good man. I'm not too familiar with Royal Gold basement mix. I've heard of it though. I prefer 100% coco but many get great results with mixes. Should work just fine.

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Yea i get it.. The way you explained it. It made perfect sense to me. Im gonna set up to start watering once a day. And see the difference in growth from before..
Good luck! May your roots be thick and white.

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Watering once a day in coco can be too much when your coco stays on the wet side of a moisture meter. Of course when you first feed the coco is on the wet/saturated side and that's not optimal for root growth. Moist is the optimal range because extremely wet media will lock nutes out. The shorter amount of time a plant stays in the wet range, the better.
You are saying the reason that watering coco once a day does not work is because freshly watered coco locks out nutrients. Please explain to me how people can get sucessful results using water as a medium in Deep Water Culture or Recirculating Deep Water Culture then?

Water doesn't lock out nutrients but lack of Oxygen surely does.
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Watering once a day in coco can be too much when your coco stays on the wet side of a moisture meter. Of course when you first feed the coco is on the wet/saturated side and that's not optimal for root growth. Moist is the optimal range because extremely wet media will lock nutes out. The shorter amount of time a plant stays in the wet range, the better.
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Alright everyone I seem to get a decent amount of questions about how I get such intense rooting with coco so I'm going to try my hand at writing up a short simple tutorial to help out. I hope you enjoy it and learn. Please bare with my writing skill. It is not on the level of some of you fine people.

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Good roots in coco come with sound watering practices period!!!!!!!! I prefer 100% coco. No need to mix anything like perlite into it. I prefer simple hydroponic nutrients that are easy to use. No additives or 15 different bottles to measure. That kind of stuff only invites problems in my experience so far.


Examples of simple easy to use hydroponic nutrients:
  1. General Hydroponics Micro and Bloom(6/9 h3ad recipe)
  2. General Hydroponics Maxibloom(1 part powder)
  3. Hydroponic Research Veg+Bloom(1 part powder and my absolute favorite).

Do's:
  • Feed often(At least once a day)
  • Check pH
  • Use a balanced quality base hydroponic nutrient(no organics this is hydro not soil)
Don'ts:
  • DO NOT LET YOUR COCO DRY OUT
  • Do not feed plain water
  • Do not add a plethora of additives(they are mostly snake oil anyway so save your $)
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Never let your coco dry out. Did I say that already? I water at least once a day(except for seedlings at the very beginning). The more I water the better growth and the more roots I get because of the fresh oxygen being pulled into the medium on a regular basis.

Dry coco kills roots, and so does wet coco that has stayed wet for too long without irrigation. This is because it has not been fed again to renew the oxygen levels thus causing the roots to suffocate. You just can't "over water" coco. You can only deprive the roots of oxygen. The longer one waits to water in coco the longer the roots are deprived of oxygen.

In other words. Feed often and you will get thick and healthy roots. This is a very hard concept for previous soil growers to grasp. In soil you need wet dry cycles because soil holds so much water and so little oxygen at max saturation. Coco is an entirely different beast so think of it as such.

I truly believe the KEY is FREQUENT IRRIGATION

If you follow these simple guidelines your roots will look better and your nutrient uptake will improve so stop letting your coco dry out. Keeping your coco wet is also a great way to prevent salt build up and salt concentration which in turn obviously leads to healthy roots as well.


Here are some examples of plants that have gotten 1-2 feeds a day. I use nothing but Veg+Bloom and occasionally +Life(microbial innoculant). That's it nothing else.

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Old 02-20-2017, 05:12 AM #16
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Justice, how much are you watering in relation to container size? You are watering a very small amount on a small container I would think. Might help some people...
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Justice, how much are you watering in relation to container size? You are watering a very small amount on a small container I would think. Might help some people...
Great question. You are starting to touch on the beauty of coco. It can't be over watered. For example in solo cups I water between 60-80ml each irrigation which gets me a little bit of runoff. Could I water them with 120-160ml? Sure. Would I see problems? Nope! My only concern with excess runoff is a waste of nutrient. If you have too much run off you are literally throwing money down the drain unless you recirculate. Some runoff ensures nutrient build up doesn't occur

I'm not targeting a specific saturation level. I always water to slight runoff AKA max saturation in order to A) pull in fresh Oxygen B) provide a balanced nutrient solution at all times to the rootzone and C) prevent nutrient build up.
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Hi man it's me again :P Just stoped by to stay nice tutorial and with enough evidence. For everyone out there not convinced. Just check his coco grow (in sig) and the root pics there are the same root porn as here. It's all about the medium and growers talent!
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Hi man it's me again :P Just stoped by to stay nice tutorial and with enough evidence. For everyone out there not convinced. Just check his coco grow (in sig) and the root pics there are the same root porn as here. It's all about the medium and growers talent!
Thanks for the love Lethal and Stoned40years! I just pulled one of my experimental bonsai moms out of her solo cup just to see what's going on. She's been in there somewhere between 10-12 weeks If I'm not mistaken. Just having some fun with her seeing what happens over time. She's still got some nice roots. Thought I might post it here for some more root action.
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One question come to my mind after reading some discussions elsewhere what is your veg light regime. I do know that plants under extended light hours grow quicker but by the nature of things some of the vital processes in plants take part during dark periods which could affect the roots one way or another. I don't feel like writing an essay on phone apologies. So what is your light schedule during veg?

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