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USA strikes Syria again

Thcvhunter

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In an WhatsApp group made up of ISIS members in Syria, a Kazakh member in Baghuz asked for Du'ā for ISIS fighters entrenched in Baghuz. Chats reveals there have been more than 2500 deaths of ISIS hardened fighters by coalition Airstrikes and bombings in the last three days.

Something very interesting.
Both Russia and USA are fighting ISIS.
So one would think that ISIS would be using Arab or Chinese technology.
Yet we see them using Western technology.

It really reveals a Lot about who really funds/trains them.

Thats all I’ll say about that.
 

Elmer Bud

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G `day T

One reason would be .
Untrained soldiers with low IQ can operate an AK . US arms require training ,much higher maintenance and higher IQ .

In August 2012, the Syrian Al-Tawhid Brigade posted a video clip on their YouTube channel showing a cache of StG 44[41] in their possession, which they claim to have captured amongst 5,000 StG 44 rifles and various ammunition from a weapons depot in the city of Aleppo. Photos later surfaced of the rebels using them in combat.[36] In September 2013, a photo showed a Syrian rebel with a Sturmgewehr 44 hooked up to a makeshift remote weapon station. The gun was controlled by a wired joystick, vision was provided by a video camera mounted behind a scope, and the picture was displayed on an LCD screen.[42]

The Nazis are supplying ISIS ?? lol .

Chinese army used SKS till the mid 80s . Not a good source of AK .

They manufacture AKs in Florida USA too these days ...

Kalashnikov denied copying the sturmgewher .

Myth ;
The AK-47 is a copy of the Sturmgewehr
Sometimes people say that the basis for the creation of this assault rifle was the German G-44 assault rifle (Sturmgewehr). However, this is far from the truth. The question of the creation of a series of small arms (assault rifle, carbine, submachine gun) using an intermediate cartridge was first raised in the Soviet Union as early as July 1943, after the capture of a trophy sample of the German carbine Mkb-42(H).

Later, Soviet designers were assigned the task of creating automatic weapons using the intermediate cartridge of 1943. As a result, the competition held in 1944 was won by the assault rifle (AS-44) designed by Alexei Sudayev. However, in view of the feedback and suggestions, it was decided to refine and adopt the gun.

However, in 1946, Sudayev suddenly died at the age of 34, and unfortunately, as it turned out, there was no one available to finish his work. The question of creating an assault rifle was left open – and so a new competition was announced, in which the technical specifications were primarily based on the characteristics of Sudayev’s already tested weapon, rather than on the German Sturmgewehr Stg-44 (which, however, was used in comparative firing tests).
Later, after a series of complex and lengthy competitive tests, they decided to go with the 7.62-mm Kalashnikov assault rifle (AK) or AK-47.

The Sturmgewehr rifle was chambered for the 7.92×33mm Kurz cartridge.



AK is 7.62 x 39 ? M16 5.56 x 45 .

Each bullet has its own characteristic .

If you `re gonna give us a lesson , you had better know your shit ...


Thanks for sharin

EB .
 

St. Phatty

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And that you assume all AK’s are russian shows how little you really know.
China, Israel, Yugo, Poland, Czech, Bulgaria, fuck it all the Warsaw/Comm-Bloc nations build AK’s.
Oh yea, Finland does too. In fact, the Israeli Ak (Galil) is based on the Russian AK(Valmet).

Do you know where ULF got their weapons? They were the North Irish element, loyal to the British Crown who fought against the Catholic Irish. Well, those guys wearing a baraclava and Ak’s, yup thats them. Those AK’s were given to them from South Africa, but they were made in Israel.

You see, the AK is not Russian. It was Soviet. The tool of the Bolsheviks. But not all AK’s are Soviet.

And then again, its based on the German STG-43/44 and the German’s ammunition the 7.62 Kurtz.


There's a few American companies making high quality 7.62x39 rifles. Maybe more than a few. I don't really have the budget to find out.

pro2a-tactical - they make an upper with an 18" barrel, in 7.62x39. The kind that goes on an AR15 lower.

The AK47 - different rifle, same caliber - has a reputation for super reliability.

I think this first batch of comments is about the Kalishnikov version (let's not forget a great Cannabis strain was named after it !)

If you made a family tree of all the 7.62x39 variants it would probably be bigger than the 308 family tree.

I like to load my 308 with a reduced load. A little more powder than a 7.62x39, but similar.

"Aiding this straight shot to the chamber is the AK’s very clean feedway. Unlike an AR-15, which has to push its rounds over a ramped barrel extension and into the chamber, the AK has virtually nothing in between the round and the chamber itself. Also, the rounds do not have to climb to reach the chamber; the magazine positions them so that they are virtually in-line with it already. This extremely clean feedway design, combined with the feed lip arrangement helps ensure reliable, trouble-free feeding every time. It would be untrue to say that AK’s never had feeding problems, but with the way that the feed lips, feedway, and chamber geometry of the AK are designed, it’s very unlikely!"

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog...hnikovs-magic-aspiring-gun-designers-part-ii/

https://weaponsman.com/?p=12534


I guess this thread was about Syria.

I was wondering if there was anywhere that compared to the US in terms of access to firearms.

There's a tribal area in Pakistan, sort of like a US Indian tribe, with special rights. Except firearms merchandising, instead of casino's.

I bet that's a good place to buy samples for the Ultimate Firearms Museum.
 

armedoldhippy

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It really reveals a Lot about who really funds/trains them.

not really, they use what they can get from any source possible. people in battle use any weapon they can beg, borrow, buy, steal, or pick up off of a body. uncountable thousands of western arms were thrown down and abandoned when the Iraqi army ran from ISIS. many Iraqi soldiers joined ISIS. who knows what arms they picked up while overrunning more than half the country.
 

Thcvhunter

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G `day T

One reason would be .
Untrained soldiers with low IQ can operate an AK . US arms require training ,much higher maintenance and higher IQ .



The Nazis are supplying ISIS ?? lol .

Chinese army used SKS till the mid 80s . Not a good source of AK .

They manufacture AKs in Florida USA too these days ...

Kalashnikov denied copying the sturmgewher .

Myth ;


The Sturmgewehr rifle was chambered for the 7.92×33mm Kurz cartridge.



AK is 7.62 x 39 ? M16 5.56 x 45 .

Each bullet has its own characteristic .

If you `re gonna give us a lesson , you had better know your shit ...


Thanks for sharin

EB .

I do know my shit.
But I do also have dyslexia. 762/792 is an easy mistake.

China makes great AK’s. The Norinco Mak90 was, for a long time, the best AK Americans could get until companies like Arsenal and Rifle Dynamics.
Also, the SKS is not an AK, and nobody’s made a great SKS.

Lol, I never said Nazi’s supplied ISIS, but its kind of obvious who does train and supply ISIS.

Is that excerpt about AK’s and STG’s from Vickers’ new book?
...Im going to go with Ft Benning’s history of the AK.
Btw, it was a gun designed by committee, which means Mikhail was not the only one designing it.

Anyway, you can pick apart little pieces of my statements if you want, I was just trying to exhibit the great expanse that is the arms trade to Gaius and show that one cannot minimize the market down to just Russia vs US.
 

gaiusmarius

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I do know my shit.
But I do also have dyslexia. 762/792 is an easy mistake.

China makes great AK’s. The Norinco Mak90 was, for a long time, the best AK Americans could get until companies like Arsenal and Rifle Dynamics.
Also, the SKS is not an AK, and nobody’s made a great SKS.

Lol, I never said Nazi’s supplied ISIS, but its kind of obvious who does train and supply ISIS.

Is that excerpt about AK’s and STG’s from Vickers’ new book?
...Im going to go with Ft Benning’s history of the AK.
Btw, it was a gun designed by committee, which means Mikhail was not the only one designing it.

Anyway, you can pick apart little pieces of my statements if you want, I was just trying to exhibit the great expanse that is the arms trade to Gaius and show that one cannot minimize the market down to just Russia vs US.

lol, there was me trying to tell you the weapon is made all over, even in the US and it's presence on any battlefield doesn't imply Russian support. as the US has been stock pilling them and now makes their own to hand out to their pet terrorists.

whether you call it a Soviet rifle or a Russian rifle really doesn't matter both are true.
 

gaiusmarius

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speaking of militaries, check this out, it highlights all the mistakes and weak spots of the US military today. the reporting is based on analyzing only open source confirmed reporting.

Why the U.S. Military is Woefully Unprepared for a Major Conventional Conflict

[YOUTUBEIF]68HNHaw96lo[/YOUTUBEIF]

what do you think, do they get it right<?
 

Elmer Bud

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I do know my shit.
But I do also have dyslexia. 762/792 is an easy mistake.

China makes great AK’s. The Norinco Mak90 was, for a long time, the best AK Americans could get until companies like Arsenal and Rifle Dynamics.
Also, the SKS is not an AK, and nobody’s made a great SKS.

Lol, I never said Nazi’s supplied ISIS, but its kind of obvious who does train and supply ISIS.

Is that excerpt about AK’s and STG’s from Vickers’ new book?
...Im going to go with Ft Benning’s history of the AK.
Btw, it was a gun designed by committee, which means Mikhail was not the only one designing it.

Anyway, you can pick apart little pieces of my statements if you want, I was just trying to exhibit the great expanse that is the arms trade to Gaius and show that one cannot minimize the market down to just Russia vs US.

G `day T

The Chinese Army main weapon till mid 80s was SKS not AK .
Chinese AK is inferior . Bulgarian or Polish better quality .

I was making a joke about the Sturmgehwer . The Czecks kept making them after WW2 . But ISIS with Nazi weapons makes about as much sense as your Russia supporting ISIS .

I was just trying to exhibit the great expanse that is the arms trade to Gaius and show that one cannot minimize the market down to just Russia vs US
Well you actually communicated the opposite . Read to me like you were saying Russia supported ISIS .
I think you were wanting to say -
When the USSR broke up weapons were sold in bulk . Who bought them ? And how does the USA access them to supply its proxies .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 

Elmer Bud

Genotype Sex Worker AKA strain whore
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speaking of militaries, check this out, it highlights all the mistakes and weak spots of the US military today. the reporting is based on analyzing only open source confirmed reporting.

Why the U.S. Military is Woefully Unprepared for a Major Conventional Conflict

[YOUTUBEIF]68HNHaw96lo[/YOUTUBEIF]

what do you think, do they get it right<?


G `day Gaius

Without understanding the local culture the US Army is doomed .
eg; Went to Somalia banned Khat .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 

packerfan79

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speaking of militaries, check this out, it highlights all the mistakes and weak spots of the US military today. the reporting is based on analyzing only open source confirmed reporting.

Why the U.S. Military is Woefully Unprepared for a Major Conventional Conflict

[YOUTUBEIF]68HNHaw96lo[/YOUTUBEIF]

what do you think, do they get it right<?

Yeah, we haven't been in conventional war since Ww2, mabey Korea. We have been in dozens of guerilla/insurgent type war. I don't have a lot of faith that we are prepared for this type of war. I am not convinced their is to much you can do to prepare for war with insurgents. To many unpredictable situations, with enemies hiding in plain sight.

I have a few friends who went to Iraq, they tell me they would buy beer from a guy during the day. And fight the same guy at night. The enemy isn't a uniformed force, and rules of engagement are strict. We are at a significant disadvantage.
 

Thcvhunter

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speaking of militaries, check this out, it highlights all the mistakes and weak spots of the US military today. the reporting is based on analyzing only open source confirmed reporting.

Why the U.S. Military is Woefully Unprepared for a Major Conventional Conflict

[YOUTUBEIF]68HNHaw96lo[/YOUTUBEIF]

what do you think, do they get it right<?


Hey man, thanks for the laugh.

Obviously that’s an anti-American propoganda film, or perhaps America’s own propoganda film to mislead her enemies ;-)

Honestly, to refute each of the claims in that video I would be asked to reveal methods, sources, troop numbers and positions; which I couldnt do.

First clue to its inacuracy is that it says Kosovo is the first large operation sonce Vietnam.
Wrong.
Operation Gothic Serpent holds that claim, which came just a few years after American troops won in Panama.
Gothic Serpent also was the biggest loss of soldiers since Vietnam and kept that going well into GWOT. 18 KIA, ~80 casualties.

As far as US Military being unprepared in any way, LOL.
At one point, their military was fully capable of fighting full-scale, long-term wars with 4 nations. That number has since increased to a number unrevealable.
America alone can win against any nation. But if you know how it works, you would understand America never fights alone. Shit, the Civil war had Spain, Russia, France, Canada, Germany....

So, no, that video gets nothing right.

For example, the Abrams tank never misses. I think its still secret why, but its pretty cool. Just watch it haul ass at full speed and you’ll see why.
Can you tell me how many have ever been destroyed by enemy forces?
A big doughnut.

Emotions aside (I dont agree with Imperialism either), the facts are that US military is unrivaled.
Thats why theres so much goddamned psy-ops launched against USA.
Culture is our battle ground and Cultural Marxism is the enemy force.

If you want to look into that, 80% of a KGB agent’s time was spent on creating and conducting psy-ops on Western nations. It was the sole basis on which they were promoted.
Toxic Masculinity is a great example of this. Tear away at the cultural fabric, redefine what it means to be a man.
Families and societies are the targets, they want to break up those more than they want to drop bombs.
 

Thcvhunter

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Yes, the Chinese AK is worse than the Bulgarian or Polish, as Ive alao stated, but its better than many other versions.
Have you shot the Mak90?

Also, I didnt say Russia works with ISIS.
ISIS was created to bring the fight, and proximity, back to Russia.
Pure chaos.
Just like Trump.
He was put in place to bring in pure chaos.
They love that whole “from Chaos, Order” kinda thing.

American politics, like all politics, cannot be reduced to singular, linear models.
We see from the fall of USSR how governments have factions.

G `day T

The Chinese Army main weapon till mid 80s was SKS not AK .
Chinese AK is inferior . Bulgarian or Polish better quality .

I was making a joke about the Sturmgehwer . The Czecks kept making them after WW2 . But ISIS with Nazi weapons makes about as much sense as your Russia supporting ISIS .


Well you actually communicated the opposite . Read to me like you were saying Russia supported ISIS .
I think you were wanting to say -
When the USSR broke up weapons were sold in bulk . Who bought them ? And how does the USA access them to supply its proxies .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 

Elmer Bud

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So, no, that video gets nothing right.

For example, the Abrams tank never misses. I think its still secret why, but its pretty cool. Just watch it haul ass at full speed and you’ll see why.
Can you tell me how many have ever been destroyed by enemy forces?
A big doughnut.

.

G `day T

I have seen several Abrams tanks destroyed .
Gaius posted a video in this thread if I remember ?

RAW: Iraqi M1 Abrams tank hit by ISIS Kornet guided missile near Mosul

Yes I know the Saudi tanks are not the same standard as the US . But you keep a weapon in service that long and the enemy will find its weaknesses and exploit them . 40 years is a long time to come up with new and interesting ways to exploit vulnerabilities .

Thanks for sharin

EB .
 

gaiusmarius

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Hey man, thanks for the laugh.

Obviously that’s an anti-American propoganda film, or perhaps America’s own propoganda film to mislead her enemies ;-)

Honestly, to refute each of the claims in that video I would be asked to reveal methods, sources, troop numbers and positions; which I couldnt do.

First clue to its inacuracy is that it says Kosovo is the first large operation sonce Vietnam.
Wrong.
Operation Gothic Serpent holds that claim, which came just a few years after American troops won in Panama.
Gothic Serpent also was the biggest loss of soldiers since Vietnam and kept that going well into GWOT. 18 KIA, ~80 casualties.

As far as US Military being unprepared in any way, LOL.
At one point, their military was fully capable of fighting full-scale, long-term wars with 4 nations. That number has since increased to a number unrevealable.
America alone can win against any nation. But if you know how it works, you would understand America never fights alone. Shit, the Civil war had Spain, Russia, France, Canada, Germany....

So, no, that video gets nothing right.

For example, the Abrams tank never misses. I think its still secret why, but its pretty cool. Just watch it haul ass at full speed and you’ll see why.
Can you tell me how many have ever been destroyed by enemy forces?
A big doughnut.

Emotions aside (I dont agree with Imperialism either), the facts are that US military is unrivaled.
Thats why theres so much goddamned psy-ops launched against USA.
Culture is our battle ground and Cultural Marxism is the enemy force.

If you want to look into that, 80% of a KGB agent’s time was spent on creating and conducting psy-ops on Western nations. It was the sole basis on which they were promoted.
Toxic Masculinity is a great example of this. Tear away at the cultural fabric, redefine what it means to be a man.
Families and societies are the targets, they want to break up those more than they want to drop bombs.

interesting, i'm no expert and of course it's only talking about weaknesses, not so much strength. no one doubts that the US military is powerful.

the question is do they waste huge amounts of money on stupid shit like the literol ships and the failed stealth ships they mentioned. what about the claims about the range of the navies f18 and how the f35 doesn't fullfill the roll of full protection for the carriers? seems to me some of the stuff covered was just logical.

i would love to see something similar about the Russian military and the Chinese too, what mistakes ave they made? where are their wasteful projects etc?

in the end no one can argue about the wasteful spending of the US military, it's all reported on openly.

in the end i don't think any army in the world could defeat the US, but i also doubt whether the US could invade and defeat the Russians or Chinese. it would be too costly for all sides. on the other hand no one can invade the US either, no chance. while the US can invade pretty much anyone else apart from Russia and China.
 

igrowone

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as a historic example, let us look at Germany in ww2
hugely inventive and innovated some of the deadliest system of the war
Tiger and Panther tanks, first operational jet aircraft, long range rockets, nerve gas, ...
and they also had a lot of duds, failed projects all over the place
and that's the price of innovation, some good ideas turn out to be duds
 

Thcvhunter

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G `day T

I have seen several Abrams tanks destroyed .
Gaius posted a video in this thread if I remember ?

RAW: Iraqi M1 Abrams tank hit by ISIS Kornet guided missile near Mosul

Yes I know the Saudi tanks are not the same standard as the US . But you keep a weapon in service that long and the enemy will find its weaknesses and exploit them . 40 years is a long time to come up with new and interesting ways to exploit vulnerabilities .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Lol.

I guess i left the door open by not clarifying that no US Abrams have been destroyed.
Sure, US sells a lot of stuff like tanks and F22/F35’s but they dont contain any classified technology, like the armor that keeps the Abrams safe.

So, no, that Iraqi tank is not really an abrams.
Only the US has destroyed a US Abrams.
 

Thcvhunter

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interesting, i'm no expert and of course it's only talking about weaknesses, not so much strength. no one doubts that the US military is powerful.

the question is do they waste huge amounts of money on stupid shit like the literol ships and the failed stealth ships they mentioned. what about the claims about the range of the navies f18 and how the f35 doesn't fullfill the roll of full protection for the carriers? seems to me some of the stuff covered was just logical.

i would love to see something similar about the Russian military and the Chinese too, what mistakes ave they made? where are their wasteful projects etc?

in the end no one can argue about the wasteful spending of the US military, it's all reported on openly.

in the end i don't think any army in the world could defeat the US, but i also doubt whether the US could invade and defeat the Russians or Chinese. it would be too costly for all sides. on the other hand no one can invade the US either, no chance. while the US can invade pretty much anyone else apart from Russia and China.

Like i said, to refute the statements would be to reveal info that I cant reveal.

But, there is a lot of propoganda out there to hide what technology and its capabilities really are.
Does that make sense?

If you hear that a project was built (completed) but is a failure, then it probably worked out (very well) and now is dark.

The idea that technology 30+ years newer than the F16 is flawed is highlarious.

Intelligence is the first battlefield in war.
 

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