That's a lot of buckets.
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California may legalize in 2010!
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That's a lot of buckets.
B
Blue Dot
but not much canopy, as was stated.
Every ordinance I've ever read about sq footage always seems to refer to canopy space so it's no big stretch to think that if we hand authority over to the gov for this that they will just simply "adopt" canopy as a measure, since it's already in use for the medical aspect of the plant.
It will all be supplied by Mega Corporate Pharmaceutical Companies.
Their the only ones that will be able to afford the stiff regulation and operating costs to grow commercially.
$5000.00 per year license fee
Bonding
State and local city taxation
Biz license fees (based on projected sales)
Liability Insurance
Facility rent
Labor
Security (professional required)
Transportation costs (secured is required)
Cargo insurance (extremely expensive)
High operational costs
Super high start up costs
Workers compensation Insurance
Employee Health benefits (Required by new Obama law in the works (Play or Pay)
Cap and Trade regulation fees (Obama Law soon to be passed)
Bar code / Tracking system (required)
State approved packaging (with all the warnings and regulations and bullshit stamped on it)
Attorneys
Accountant
And the list goes on.
Prices will go up / Quality will go down / And the big boys will get even richer.
Its win win for everyone...........except us. The taxpayer and consumer gets shafted again !!
But don't worry. You'll be able to grow ONE for yourself.
Unless you live in San Diego county (or any other local jurisdiction the "Ops Out")
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flintstone
New member
This is bullshit. Why is it okay for them to tax at $50 an ounce?
I think they should start taxing other stuff too at $50 per unit, what the hell. A $50 tax on a tube of lipstick, why not. How about a $50 tax on those little doodads you hang from your rear view mirror. Or hey get this - a $50 tax on a carton of cigarettes?
No? Why not? Why is it okay with MJ?
They think they'll create all this tax revenue, but they are wrong. MJ is so easy to grow (while being so expensive to buy) that once all the clones are out there, and the methods of growing are known, and the fear of LE is gone, then people will grow their MJ for themselves and friends. And the reason they can realistically do this? Because the potency of MJ is genetically determined. Given reasonable care anyone can produce very good smoke and many will. So tax revenue estimates are way off.
Small time MJ dealing will increase as growers will supply MJ (at half the government's price) to others who don't care to grow it themselves. More revenue loss.
Also... is MJ supposed to be medicine or not? (Taxing medicine is an interesting idea I must say.... I guess they could raise some more revenue by taxing more medicines... you know tax AIDS patients or cancer patients for their other medicines as well....)
It is ironic that our beautiful, liberating MJ plant is constantly subjected to so much restrictive and punitive government policy.
I think they should start taxing other stuff too at $50 per unit, what the hell. A $50 tax on a tube of lipstick, why not. How about a $50 tax on those little doodads you hang from your rear view mirror. Or hey get this - a $50 tax on a carton of cigarettes?
No? Why not? Why is it okay with MJ?
They think they'll create all this tax revenue, but they are wrong. MJ is so easy to grow (while being so expensive to buy) that once all the clones are out there, and the methods of growing are known, and the fear of LE is gone, then people will grow their MJ for themselves and friends. And the reason they can realistically do this? Because the potency of MJ is genetically determined. Given reasonable care anyone can produce very good smoke and many will. So tax revenue estimates are way off.
Small time MJ dealing will increase as growers will supply MJ (at half the government's price) to others who don't care to grow it themselves. More revenue loss.
Also... is MJ supposed to be medicine or not? (Taxing medicine is an interesting idea I must say.... I guess they could raise some more revenue by taxing more medicines... you know tax AIDS patients or cancer patients for their other medicines as well....)
It is ironic that our beautiful, liberating MJ plant is constantly subjected to so much restrictive and punitive government policy.
flintstone
New member
Pirate has an interesting point It is happening now with cigarettes.
Congress just passed a law putting restrictions on cigarette manufacturers (via the FDA). Philip Morris, the largest tobacco company, supported this bill. Why? Because it puts many of the smaller companies out of the competition due to onerous restrictions and cost. As Pirate said about MJ can be applied to the tobacco situation: "Their the only ones that will be able to afford the stiff regulation and operating costs to grow commercially."
Congress just passed a law putting restrictions on cigarette manufacturers (via the FDA). Philip Morris, the largest tobacco company, supported this bill. Why? Because it puts many of the smaller companies out of the competition due to onerous restrictions and cost. As Pirate said about MJ can be applied to the tobacco situation: "Their the only ones that will be able to afford the stiff regulation and operating costs to grow commercially."
B
Blue Dot
it's the same reason the gov thinks that taxing alcohol is justifiable.
The gov sees taxing alcohol as "offsetting the social harm costs."
The problem is, MJ is not like alcohol and will not have the same (will have much less) social harm costs associated with it so the tax should be in line with that, much like the tax on tomatoes, which just has a sales tax and that's because there is no social harm cost associated with tomatoes.
whitebox
Active member
Hi Friends,
i would say to shortten the discussion :
like for veggies, or other naturals and commercial fooding stuff, if you don't grow your own, you'll only have shitty qualit and the prices will grow'on as always for every state/governement controled stuff.
that's my only opinion based on real and numerous past facts.
anyone to tell and explain the opposit ??? with examples of course.
grow your own ,friends...only nature can reward you honestly, nobody else, i tell ya'.
respect and peace all'.
.WB.
i would say to shortten the discussion :
like for veggies, or other naturals and commercial fooding stuff, if you don't grow your own, you'll only have shitty qualit and the prices will grow'on as always for every state/governement controled stuff.
that's my only opinion based on real and numerous past facts.
anyone to tell and explain the opposit ??? with examples of course.
grow your own ,friends...only nature can reward you honestly, nobody else, i tell ya'.
respect and peace all'.
.WB.
J
JackTheGrower
I have found the angle..
Horticulture.
That's what the hobby grower is about!
Now here is where we fit in. "private collections."
I will work on a draft to present. If we don't have access to Cannabis, the plant, in numbers how can we breed? How can we be Horticulturists?
Heirloom varieties, seed savers and specialty plants are often saved by private collectors.
Industry doesn't care for the most part about Heirloom varieties.. There isn't any money in it.
Take the yellow tomato.. Most of us think tomatoes are red.. That's not the original color it's yellow.. Now you find yellow tomatoes in stores as Organic.. Well without heirloom gardeners that genetics would have died out because commercial interests sold red tomatoes!
Alright then.. Any feed back on this position? Anyone care to work on this with me?
I must sleep tonight..
Jack
Horticulture.
That's what the hobby grower is about!
Now here is where we fit in. "private collections."
I will work on a draft to present. If we don't have access to Cannabis, the plant, in numbers how can we breed? How can we be Horticulturists?
Heirloom varieties, seed savers and specialty plants are often saved by private collectors.
Industry doesn't care for the most part about Heirloom varieties.. There isn't any money in it.
Take the yellow tomato.. Most of us think tomatoes are red.. That's not the original color it's yellow.. Now you find yellow tomatoes in stores as Organic.. Well without heirloom gardeners that genetics would have died out because commercial interests sold red tomatoes!
Alright then.. Any feed back on this position? Anyone care to work on this with me?
I must sleep tonight..
Jack
J
JackTheGrower
ANY AND ALL THAT WANT TO DRAFT A HORTICULTURALIST
ANY AND ALL THAT WANT TO DRAFT A HORTICULTURALIST
I'm on it.. Today is fathers day so i am privileged to have the today with the family.
I wish everyone a happy fathers day.
So monday I'll start the draft to present next meeting and online asap
FreedomFGHTR I hope you will be on my team for this.
ANY AND ALL THAT WANT TO DRAFT A HORTICULTURALIST amendment please PM me here.
i don't think citizenship is required for proposing language.
This needs to be done in less than 30 days so I need all the help I can get.
Jack
ANY AND ALL THAT WANT TO DRAFT A HORTICULTURALIST
I'm on it.. Today is fathers day so i am privileged to have the today with the family.
I wish everyone a happy fathers day.
So monday I'll start the draft to present next meeting and online asap
FreedomFGHTR I hope you will be on my team for this.
ANY AND ALL THAT WANT TO DRAFT A HORTICULTURALIST amendment please PM me here.
i don't think citizenship is required for proposing language.
This needs to be done in less than 30 days so I need all the help I can get.
Jack
When it comes to supporting legislation regarding legalization/decriminalization in California. It will have to be real simple and basic. Remove all current laws against the cultivation/possession/transportation/sale of cannabis, and only add one law regarding cannabis that it SHALL ONLY be taxed at the general sales tax rate. Anything less is unacceptable to me. Hey I have done my part and let the people drafting this know how I feel and stand.
CaptainTrips
Active member
You will most likely be dead before any such law is ever passed...
Why you don't think that people would vote for it if on the ballot? I think they would.
J
JackTheGrower
Yeah I got your back dawg! We both want the same thing in the end, just which route to take is where we differ. Some people want the quick and easy road, while others want to take the scenic route, which while it might seem more difficult and time consuming is well worth the trip!
CaptainTrips
Active member
I am with you in that is the way it should be. But 100 years of non-stop propaganda is hard to overcome. It will take time. It very well may never get to what we want, alcohol certainly is not "legal" in that way.
Alcohol and Cannabis are NOT the same thing. So why try to put them on the same level. Hell Cannabis has a lower risk of addiction than Tobacco. And Something like 56% of likely voters said they would vote in favor of a legalization and tax proposition. Thats what they said they would vote for. So no its not 100years of propaganda anymore its about getting a properly worded proposition on the ballot in California.
Oh and the Feds have surrendered in the drug war... http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSTRE55750K20090608
yeah its possible very possible to get exactly what we want.
Oh and the Feds have surrendered in the drug war... http://www.reuters.com/article/reutersEdge/idUSTRE55750K20090608
yeah its possible very possible to get exactly what we want.
Koroz
Member
I will consider the feds having surrendered in the drug war when A) they are no longer putting people in jail for them, B) are not spending large budgets on it, and C) start releasing drug addicts from our prison systems and getting them in addiction prevention programs.
quotes like these just seem like more hot air to me:
So great, you are keeping the huge budget for the drug war, but adding more money to the prevention programs totaling 3.5billion a year, but also giving more money to prevent drug trafficking on our boarders.
They are telling us that our states, and local PD should not be using as many resources to the drug war, that the only thing the US government actually willing to consider is to rename it from the war on drugs, to something less "chest beating" so that the populace will accept it more then now because it will sound less like a war against the citizens even though that is exactly what it is?
The Feds are playing word games. It is time to stop talking, and start doing. By saying that you will "never" accept legalization as a possibility, that tells me you aren't interested in really "fixing" anything, just making sure the people who put you in office are a little more comfortable with having their rights ripped from them.
J
JackTheGrower
Horticulture
Horticulture
I made the case. http://www.taxcannabis2010.org/forum/showthread.php?t=229&page=3
I will write a speech for the meeting.. Anyone care to provide feedback?
Horticulture
I made the case. http://www.taxcannabis2010.org/forum/showthread.php?t=229&page=3
I will write a speech for the meeting.. Anyone care to provide feedback?
PurpleUnikorn
New member
sounds beautiful.
im ready
im ready
