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Advanced Nutrients, Love it or Hate it, State your claim!

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Let's start this thread by reading #4 of the TOU...

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OK now.
The line is clearly drawn when it comes to those who swear by Advanced nutrients and those who see it as over hyped/over advertise/over priced junk.
Inevitably, whenever someone starts a thread about anything to do with AN, it turns into one big pissing contest with lots of posturing but no facts laid out. So, in the interest of not having someone elses AN thread getting locked for flaming and being way off topic I decided to start a thread where you can CIVILLY state your claim.
Imo, theirs good arguments from both sides.
This is not a sharks den and any flaming will not be tolerated.
I'm not entirely sure this thread is a good idea, but it's not fair that someone elses AN thread gets locked when the piss starts flying.
Do you love AN? Let's hear/see why.
Do you hate AN, let's see/hear why.
I'll start it off...
Imo some of AN's stuff is way over priced (a trip to the 'dro shop will verify that), some of the claims are ridiculously outrageous (Juicy Roots, "Discover the new cloning Gel that gives you bigger harvests" <- Seriosuly?), some of their products are a great value (the ph up is super concentrated and only a few dollars more per same size bottle as the more watered down crap).
 
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DRE on Dat Good

Member
I use the A.N 3 part system it has treated me right and gave me appreciated results....But flora has also given me close to the same results but a little less but its still a great line to me....It seems like the longer you use a nutrient line the more successful you get with it....I do also hate the over pricing of A.N its just ridiculous to be so for the cannabis movement why are yo so over priced like really its shame not all growers can afford the full line but would love to use it.....Overall i think it comes down to the growers skill and experience that brings a nice grow.....When i first started using A.N my results was not great but the past 3 grows I've got better results each time....hope that all made sense ahahah pretty baked right now:dance013: off my last grow of purple jem
 
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Bud Bug

I've used Conny with no "super food" results from two strain Green Crack and Diesel. I got same or better results from other foods.

Now my main problem with AN is not that their products don't work because they do but their unproven claims for almost all of their products.

Another thing that ALWAYS has bothered me is their 2+ claim with no specific provided to those claims unless you search around the web.

2+ lb per light out of what? Eventually I found out it was a strain called Berlin, never heard of it but sound like another strain called Jam (Jamaican) which produces huge weight even if you feed it piss.

These guys always try to make claims against other companies and try to stir up shit where there is none. Back in the day if you live in the Vancouver are you would have heard their radio ads taking stabs at GH. If a company is so sure of their product they should not have to take stabs at their competitors, the products should be able to stand on their own.

They have done too many dirty tactics and advertising over all those years for me to even take then seriously anymore.

To know all the juicy stuff you would have to been in the industry in the early/mid 2000's to see it for yourself.
 
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Metalhead419

Member
The OP pretty much nailed it. Rooting Gel that increases yield? Thats a good one. Also, any company that claims I will get a 27% percent increase in yield from a product that is sulfate, phosphate and possibly some aminos, is full of crap. It says big bud has aminos in it on the website, but its not listed on the bottle, your guess is as good as mine.

I don't think AN is bad, just think it is overpriced. Everything they sell can be purchased much cheaper, and it is the same exact thing.

I refuse to buy any AN products, but I did get some Bud Candy and Big Bud for free. Bud candy gave me root rot, big bud did nothing, so thats my limited experience.
 
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Green Mopho

They have like 5 additive products that all do the same thing. Kushy Kush? Seriously? Strain specific nutes now, huh?

They started copying GH's 3 part formula, but soon figured out the $$$$$ is in the additives! They purposely leave nutrient "holes" in their basic formulas so you have to have the additives or your plants will end up deficient. I had a rant a while back about this crap on the Rez Recipe thread:

Greenmopho said:
Gonna have to disagree with you on that one, REZ. While most strains will do well w/o CalMg issues using the recipe, or other nutrients, most nutrient regiments today can benefit from a extra dash of sulfur. While sea salt is a crude mixture of sodium compounds, epsom salt is pure magnesium sulphate, MgSO4. Plants require a ton of Mg and can't have too much of it, however when too much is present, it locks out Calcium and Potassium. The presence of sulphur is not only used as a micronutrient in the plant, but it assists chemical bonds and allows better uptake of Nitrogen. This is the premise of Lucas, cut out excess Mg and N in bloom to help increase mobility and uptake of calcium and potassium, which are more necessary in bloom. However, sulfur is a necessary micronutrient and most people these days find themselves using additives like Bud Candy or Sweet or FloraNectar, or even just molasses. They feel they need these to augment flavor (this is today's main argument against hydro from the organic guys). This is because of the sulfur content, read the labels on those 'sweetener' additives, on almost all of them the main ingredient is Magnesium Sulphate. Cannabinoids and terpenins are complex sulfur compounds and cannot form correctly without the presence of sulfur in the nutrient schedule. Most of these compounds form late in flower. Anything that we perceive as a strong odor (usually stinky) contains some amount of sulfur. Most complete nutrient lines and soil mixes used by growers today lack the correct amount of sulfur. The reason is that most of these nutrients and soils were formulated 15-20 years ago when there were higher concentrations of sulfuric acid (acid rain) in our atmosphere and ground water. Nutrient and soil companies back then reduced the amount of sulfur in their products to compensate. In today's world, environmental regulations have reduced a lot of the sulfur around us, and most indoor growers today are using filtered water. This resulting lack of sulfur causes a lack of flavor in the finished product. The nutrient companies are aware of this, but instead of adjusting their micronutrient line, they seem to find it more lucrative to sell you "flavor enhancing additives". If you are growing in hydro, the sugar in molasses will do very little to help your plant, the sugar only feeds the microbial life found in soil. The sulfur content however makes a huge difference in taste and smell!

Not to mention, MgSO4 has a natural pH of 6.0 and can be used as pH down or as a general pH buffer in recirculating hydro systems.
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deaconbillyb

Member
I use AN sensi bloom a/b with mother earth bloom,f-1 fulvic acid,big bud and calmag with ro water and super thrive and have good results.I feel they have the best base nutrients but most of the stuff is over priced and over hyped.I tried conniseuer and didn't get any increase in yield,final phase burnt my plants as well as blood blood,and I am looking to switch from big bud to something else,I have a friend that uses koolbloom and gets better results.Just don't buy into the hype,look at voodoo juice it's $108 for a small bottle WTF!!!I don't care how good that crap is,that's consumer rape.Just use the base nutes and find alternatives for the supplements.Peace
 
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Green Mopho

Why just use the base nutes? They are a copy of GH 3-part.
And look at all the crap you add that you listed off, no offense, but that is a lot of needless additives.

GH 3-part
Power KoolBloom (or Bloombastic)
GH Subcultures (optional)

Thats it!!!!
 
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YosemiteSam

I don't hate the product itself but I do hate the company and their bullshit advertising. Would not use it myownself but wouldn't tell anyone else not to.
 
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m00nchild

I hate the fact that they are completely open about cannabis growing and advertise in all the pot magazines. Sorry. No respectable hydro shop in the United States should be carrying these nutes, unless they want to revisit the operation green merchant days.
 
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Bud Bug

m00nchild said:
I hate the fact that they are completely open about cannabis growing and advertise in all the pot magazines. Sorry. No respectable hydro shop in the United States should be carrying these nutes, unless they want to revisit the operation green merchant days.
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Except non of their official web/paper ads (except for the Kushie Kush flyer) say anything about Cannabis. If they did I don't think they would be around in the US for too long before the DEA came down on them with conspiracy charges.

Now I just noticed on their site its not PPM and PH perfect anymore but PH perfect. Once again no stable vision for the company because they could not deliver on some far fetched claims.

For PH perfect I don't think it would be that hard for a company to create a food where the chemicals can be absorbed properly within a greater ph range. This is what they now include Fulvic and Humic in their food. Those acids are chelating agents so the chemicals will be available at a greater ph range.
 
toohighmf

toohighmf

Well-known member
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110% hype. The company itself is comprised of mafia, porn stars, & a pilot who used to smuggle drugs. The 2+ and ph ppm perfect programs are insulting to professional growers who understand plant nutrition. When a bottle of septic tank cleaner is rebottled and labeled, and sold as a microbial root stim & retails for over $400 a gallon with an application rate of 30ml/gallon, Someone is fleecing you. 60+ products in their line???? WTF?
 
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Surfr

I use the Bud Blood, Big Bud, and Overdrive.. That's it., that's all.. And I LOVE THEM! I have used other products and nothing can compete with the triple threat..
 
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BigBuck

Member
I like advanced nutrients. I just recently switched to hydro from dirt so my setup is still kinda new to me but from what i have seen they offer great products for those who can afford them. I have not been able to find the same bacteria cultures in a cheaper product and from what i have seen the more beneficial bacteria you can produce the bigger roots your going to have. Its all in the roots.
That being said they are more expensive then many other companies and many places wont carry advanced nutrients because they are so open about being made to grow bud. I think their openness is a good thing because its bud i want to be growing not canna lilies or tomatoes and certain beneficial bacteria are plant specific.
I think it really just comes down to how long you have been using what you have been using. It is a little absurd to think that after using nutrients of any type once or twice you can say you have gotten the most potential out of that nutrients.
My suggestion is that if you are going to use advanced nutrients spend a good amount of time reading about their products and HOW ingredients are used by plants. Its expensive so the less experimenting the better.
 
supermanlives

supermanlives

Active member
Veteran
i have never tried any.i have had friends that used it and my grows were as good if not better. i never tell them as they would feel like suckers for paying so much. they all ran the full line. i have bought cars cheaper than 1 run with the full line. to each their own. if i ran the full line of their products i would have to sell my weed for 1000 an oz LOL
 
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Bud Bug

BigBuck said:
I like advanced nutrients. I just recently switched to hydro from dirt so my setup is still kinda new to me but from what i have seen they offer great products for those who can afford them.
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It is a little absurd to think that after using nutrients of any type once or twice you can say you have gotten the most potential out of that nutrients.
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So you haven't use them is what you are saying?

BigBuck said:
many places wont carry advanced nutrients because they are so open about being made to grow bud.
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Really, please show us where on their official AN print/web media they state its for growing weed. I'm not talking about some weird obscure websites but real official AN advertising.

BigBuck said:
their openness is a good thing because its bud i want to be growing not canna lilies or tomatoes and certain beneficial bacteria are plant specific.
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Hmm I'm looking at Rosebud and the Conny ad says this

Here's why commercial growers of rare and profit-producing plants love this comprehensive hydroponic fertilizer formula
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So whats are these rare plants they speak of?

As for being associated with weed how does this help hydro shops when they could be charged with breaking conspiracy to... laws.

Look at Canna, you can't get anymore specific with the name and I don't see them advertising that they are for weed.

How about Dutch Master, shit these guy are almost as bad as AN in making claims but you don't see them trying to directly link their food to weed.

Maybe common sense escapes you why stores don't want to have direct proof that they sell weed growing products.


BigBuck said:
My suggestion is that if you are going to use advanced nutrients spend a good amount of time reading about their products and HOW ingredients are used by plants. Its expensive so the less experimenting the better.
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Who does reading ads with nothing but with big words in them gonna help anyone get 2+lb per light?
 
skunktoker

skunktoker

Member
I like Advanced nutrients have used just about all of the other manafacturers nutes with exception of H@G line never tried them I have had great results from AN.. and never once had a PH issue cant say that for some of the other lines I used the nutes doesnt make great bud good growers make great buds no matter what the nutes are ..however for me AN rocks and until I use something else that does better or gives me better results ill keep using them as far as the price of thier nutes that may be a concern for some ...but for me its not as for hype or marketing or claims I pay no attention to that they all advertise and make claims I just base what I buy on my results ....and to this point AN is the best I have used ........................ST
 
THRIPS AHOY!

THRIPS AHOY!

Member
i bought a coolflame for my recent crop and im loving it.Great product.I have never used their nutes though.I do use their ph up and down as they are the strongets i can find.I tried the juicy roots and it sucked ass.I did a side by side with my old stim roots powder and after 10 days the powder was almost fully in and i could only find a few poppin roots from the juicy.They came in eventually but i lost some due to rot and not all rooted.
 
toohighmf

toohighmf

Well-known member
Veteran
Do you run that tankless water heater drain to waste or are you chillin a res? Ever get a carbon monoxide reading? I don't think they have carbon monoxide sensor/shutoffs.
 
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m00nchild

Bud Bug said:
Except non of their official web/paper ads (except for the Kushie Kush flyer) say anything about Cannabis. If they did I don't think they would be around in the US for too long before the DEA came down on them with conspiracy charges.
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You sure an investigation of that kind by the DEA isn't already in the works? Besides, one doesn't have to go look for a specific ad of theirs to prove they are blatant about offering their products for cannabis cultivation. The names of some of their products are proof enough. Sensi Grow and Sensi Bloom? Kushy Kush? I saw an ad one time that of theirs that said something like that "get the fattest buds, oozing with resin," or something like that.

Sorry. That's just too ballsy, and I mean that in a bad way. Yes, cannabis cultivation SHOULD be legal.... but it's still not, in most places. Just, for those of you who buy it in local stores, you'd better pay cash for it... and those who mail order it, you'd better use a safe address. Based on the court precedents established during Operation Green Merchant, customer records for purchase of Advanced Nutrients could be seen as probable cause.

Just saying.
 
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