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MED GARDEN 101
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Hey scrappy.
I gotta bad jones for the breeders section, I seem to stay there so much I don't realize the site is huge and there's so much more out there...
I'll be happy to join you guys in the medical area, and well im battling cancer now so the shoe fits better anyways...
I haven't been to many med forums much since dr j passed on...Just couldn't do it anymore.... Thanks for getting me back in here ..I need to be here now.
I got a few goodies that need to join the community as well...Sweet little baby girls of course....
Ahhh I think i'm finally home. ( what reeks in here?)
tiedye
I gotta bad jones for the breeders section, I seem to stay there so much I don't realize the site is huge and there's so much more out there...
I'll be happy to join you guys in the medical area, and well im battling cancer now so the shoe fits better anyways...
I haven't been to many med forums much since dr j passed on...Just couldn't do it anymore.... Thanks for getting me back in here ..I need to be here now.
I got a few goodies that need to join the community as well...Sweet little baby girls of course....
Ahhh I think i'm finally home. ( what reeks in here?)
tiedye
Best of luck and wishes to you tiedye420. 
Surely you can't be lost with so much work to do.
There are many sick people out there who need hybrids not yet created.
Let's get to work. Someday we'll laugh about all this.
There are many sick people out there who need hybrids not yet created.
Let's get to work. Someday we'll laugh about all this.
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Guest
wescyber said:
Trainwreck, and many others, have supposedly been around for over twenty years as clone only. It still seems awesome to me!!!
Sorry that doesn't really answer your question though
wescyber said:
I have found that clean grow rooms with new moms made every 90 days or so can produce viable clones for about 3-5 years. I have clones from clones that are now 12 years old and still going strong. This will create a flame war from those who choose seeds more frequently but If the plants are clean, well fed and free of pathogens they can go on quite awhile. I have noticed those who say 1-2 years max don't have clean grow rooms.
There are varieties of heirloom seedless grapes cloned for thousands of years in Iran. There are seedless citrus in asia that are in the hundreds of years by clone. There are rose varieties four hundred years old.
I think it's about being clean. Diseases will introduce deficiencies however. I think for the average grower, 3 or so years before problems arise. I will say my ten year old cut is still very vigorous.
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How does a 600 watt HPS put out 10 times more lumens at 2 feet than a 1000 watt at 2 feet? Is it advantageous to raise your 600 watt 2 feet above the tops?
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Where did you read that? I know that 600 watt lights are more efficient because they are newer than 1000's which are unchanged for the most part for the last twenty years.
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Indoor marijuana horticulture by Jorge, page 25. A photographer buddy of mine says it's not a typo. 225,000 lumens for the 600, 28,750 for the 1000. Again at 2 feet.
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Dopey,
What Cervantes was trying to illustrate is this...
a 600w lamp placed at 1 foot from the canopy is ~ maximum bulb lumens (90,000 or so). A 1000w lamp placed 1' from the canopy is ~ maximum bulb lumens (150,000 or so).
But, it is much easier to get a 600w to rest comfertably (heat) at 1 foot, whereas it is much more difficult to get a 1000w to rest comfertably... there we see that most 1000w fixtures are often 2+ feet from the canopy tops.... making the delievered lumens about equal.
I know many folks who place 600w lamps under 1 foot from the canopy, makng them very powerful and high intensity at the cost of light footprint... It is a good idea to AIRCOOL all your HID lighting to get them as close to the canopy as possible.. the closer the better, until burning/yellowing occurs... then you are too close. A thermal coupple or thermometer will tell you what a little trail and error will.
What Cervantes was trying to illustrate is this...
a 600w lamp placed at 1 foot from the canopy is ~ maximum bulb lumens (90,000 or so). A 1000w lamp placed 1' from the canopy is ~ maximum bulb lumens (150,000 or so).
But, it is much easier to get a 600w to rest comfertably (heat) at 1 foot, whereas it is much more difficult to get a 1000w to rest comfertably... there we see that most 1000w fixtures are often 2+ feet from the canopy tops.... making the delievered lumens about equal.
I know many folks who place 600w lamps under 1 foot from the canopy, makng them very powerful and high intensity at the cost of light footprint... It is a good idea to AIRCOOL all your HID lighting to get them as close to the canopy as possible.. the closer the better, until burning/yellowing occurs... then you are too close. A thermal coupple or thermometer will tell you what a little trail and error will.
My strong point is gardening. I was just calling my electrician friend when neptune posted this. I appreciate it. I will never claim to have all the answers but what I know I will share. If I can't find the answer, I'm sure we can figure it out. Thanks Neptune.
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Ya you are right they have the coma in the wrong spot on my book's copy. It's 22500 lumens.
Digital ballasts are the future. A hot ballast is a waste of electricity.
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Neptune
Wescyber, let me address your statement..
This is absolutely not true.
When have you ever seen a side by side test with high-quality digital light meters? You havn't. Someone should do one! These claims come from digital ballast pushers who use "Standard magnetic ballasts with standard bulbs."
No one on these forums uses a Standard magnetic ballast or Standard bulbs. The equipment they are comparing their fancy 600w digital ballsts to, is outdated commerical warehouse equipment.... not horticulture. In other words, they are doing the apples + oranges thing.
a 1000w magnetic ballast puts out more initial lumens than a digital 600w. Not to get into a debate of 1000w vs 600w, but you understand what I am saying... that claim is false, hype, and advertisement.
I'm sure you can find a 1000w HPS bulb that puts out like 80,000 lumens (shitty)
and compare it to a 600w Growlux that puts out 95,000 lumens and you have a marketing campaign that isn't a lie.
This is absolutely not true.
When have you ever seen a side by side test with high-quality digital light meters? You havn't. Someone should do one! These claims come from digital ballast pushers who use "Standard magnetic ballasts with standard bulbs."
No one on these forums uses a Standard magnetic ballast or Standard bulbs. The equipment they are comparing their fancy 600w digital ballsts to, is outdated commerical warehouse equipment.... not horticulture. In other words, they are doing the apples + oranges thing.
a 1000w magnetic ballast puts out more initial lumens than a digital 600w. Not to get into a debate of 1000w vs 600w, but you understand what I am saying... that claim is false, hype, and advertisement.
I'm sure you can find a 1000w HPS bulb that puts out like 80,000 lumens (shitty)
and compare it to a 600w Growlux that puts out 95,000 lumens and you have a marketing campaign that isn't a lie.
