Badly abused plants. Can they bounce back?

Chillin12 · Feb 19, 2017

These plants have gone through a lot.

Humidity spikes over 90℅ RH, fungus gnats, over watering, under watering, root bound, nutrient starvation and bad tea.

I repotted the photos and fed the autos.

Got the supplies to make a pearlite SIP system but have little info on how well it works. (1 thread). This may be the only hope for these girls.

Can of Bliss · Feb 19, 2017

If you treat them well they will do the best they can do. At quick glance, they don't look too bad. Definitely worth giving them a chance, but I'd probably say that no matter what... well maybe not PM.
Don't over compensate with the nutes too much. Last thing you want is another problem. 25% over what you would normally give them max, normal strength is probably the best thing. I might give them one foliafeed trying to only hit leaves.

Chillin12 · Feb 19, 2017

Can of Bliss said:
Don't over compensate with the nutes too much. Last thing you want is another problem. 25% over what you would normally give them max, normal strength is probably the best thing. I might give them one foliafeed trying to only hit leaves.

Since this is my first attempt at growing something green. I can only go by what I read. Problem has been that I have been giving 1/16 to 1/4 of recommended nutrients. And that has only been in the last week or so. I was so worried about overfeeding them that I underfed them.

Chillin12 · Feb 20, 2017

Plant is continuing to die. SIP system set up and wicking is slowly working.

Chillin12 · Feb 21, 2017

Some small new growth but it keeps lollipoping itself.

Watered my autoflowers today. pH was 6.7 going in and 7.6 coming out.

kalopatchkid · Feb 21, 2017

Plants look overwatered among other issues, I would skip using the SIPs and just keep it really simple and basic with a simple bag soil and base nutrient. Unfortunately, plants entering flower in that condition arent going to recover fully.

What type of soil and nutrients are you using? Have you measured the EC of your run-off?

Chillin12 · Feb 21, 2017

Using roots organic soil +25℅ growstones. She had about 3 gal in her 5 gal pot. It was filled with roots and very dry when I replanted it 2 days ago into a 10 gal pot of fresh soil.

Didn't think EC was important with organic soil grows.

Elixir · Feb 21, 2017

Cannabis is known to be very resilient. You might want to consider doing a proper flush and to add on more goodies- compost, peat, liquid fert to the girls.

Chillin12 · Feb 21, 2017

Of my 3 photos, the plant that is dieing was the best up to week 5-6. I think it ran out of water and nutes. All these dead leaves are from that one plant.

Her sisters on my SIP tray have not looked better in weeks. The tops are starting to loose their permanent droop. They may have to veg for 4-5 more weeks till my autos finish unless I get a small tent to put on 12/12.

DocTim420 · Feb 21, 2017

May I offer a silver bullet that might work...try a bit of "JumpStart" from Growmore. A bit pricey but I call it "Lazarus" as it has literally brought dead plants back to life...well, kinda sorta.

Dosage--root feed, start at 5ml/gal for the first treatment then 2.5ml thereafter. Foliar spray at 1.25ml/gal rate. If they are recoverable, they will bounce back overnight.

A lil goes a long way! https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SUDVKY4/ref=olp_product_details?_encoding=UTF8&me=

Chillin12 · Feb 21, 2017

Should have it in 2 days if she can hold on that long. I've been trying to figure out the dosage. I'm seeing everywhere between one milliliter per gallon to five milliliters per gallon. If it works well I'll add it to all my plants throughout their life.

DocTim420 · Feb 21, 2017

Yep, I use the 1.25ml/gal for all foliar sprays and root feeding all babies and juveniles. For transplant "brew" and root feeding during veg, I use 2.5ml/gal then jack it up to 3.75ml/gal for the first 3 weeks in flower. After that, it is 5ml/gal until about 4 weeks before harvest.

The formulator at Growmore told me that JumpStart is their "answer" to Canna's Boost (at a fraction of the price!).

If you use the 5ml or higher during veg, no real disaster. Just the leaves might display some whirl action and become slightly oversized. Never saw any leaf tip burn--just funny growth action. Excellent response when foliar feeding! Can not over-emphasis that.

Good luck man!

Chillin12 · Feb 22, 2017

Now my autos are loosing leaves. Yellowing all over, canoeing. I gave them some nutes and photosynthesis plus. pH going in was 5.4 and the runoff was 7.3. Now all my plants are having issues.

Elixir · Feb 22, 2017

Try to provide all the basic right- temp, climate control, RH, feed schedule etc. Adding more variables to an existing problem doesn't solve the issue, it only covers up more problem. imho

Chillin12 · Feb 22, 2017

Elixir said:
Try to provide all the basic right- temp, climate control, RH, feed schedule etc.

I have everything correct now except water and feed. I have read many 10's of hours worth of info on nutrients and watering. So much is vague and contradictory. I had the right stuff to get these plants to grow 10+ nodes and 20"+ but now they are all dieing. These are not supposed to be that hard. Why can't there be a way to feed these things without being 5 parts chemist and 6 parts millionaire? I don't care about maximum yeilds. I just want them to live to harvest.

Elixir said:
Adding more variables to an existing problem doesn't solve the issue, it only covers up more problem. imho

No clue what this means. What variables? What problem does this cover up?

DocTim420 · Feb 22, 2017

You say you are using a "sip system" with perlite. Not too sure what that is--but if your grow medium is 100% perlite, then I think that might be part of the problem. Perlite does not hold/retain much so your plant nutrition is 100% dependent on the liquid nutrition you provide.

So think hydro and it is simply: Good stuff in, good stuff out. Garbage in, garbage out.

Something is amiss for sure.

Chillin12 · Feb 22, 2017

DocTim420 said:
You say you are using a "sip system" with perlite. Not too sure what that is--but if your grow medium is 100% perlite, then I think that might be part of the problem. Perlite does not hold/retain much so your plant nutrition is 100% dependent on the liquid nutrition you provide.

So think hydro and it is simply: Good stuff in, good stuff out. Garbage in, garbage out.

Something is amiss for sure.

The SIP system I learned from the forum's here.

Currently I have 5 inches perlite in a tray. The water level is at least one inch below the top (so the roots never sit in water). This creates a wicking action. On top of the perlite I have 10 gallon fabric pots filled Roots organic soil plus 25% growstones. The water will wick up the perlite and then through the fabric bag and up the soil. Since I just repotted from a 5 gallon bag to a 10 gallon bag there should be plenty of nutrients in The fresh Roots organic.

DocTim420 · Feb 22, 2017

That being the case....then maybe you are having many issues coming at you at one time. I would think JumpStart (think of it as a Vitamin B1 shot) should correct any transplant shock issues and kick start (lol...had to use something besides "jump start") the plant's growth cycle.

So, if we assume the problem is inside the 5 gallon rootball (not the new stuff in the 10 gallon container) then I would strategically flush/leach the 5 gallon rootball. You know how everything looks great after a rain storm?--(aka extreme flushing)...that is what I would replicate. If you are frugal like me (squeak when you walk...lol) then you can capture the "runoff" and serve it to some outdoor plants.

Could be salt build up (yes, organic inputs do have "salts"--gypsum has a index of 8, which is greater than most synthetic superphosphates, epsom salts is 44--more than half that of urea 75), could be nutrient imbalance/lockout, could be....?

But a good rainstorm wouldn't hurt, besides you are setting yourself up for JumpStart in a day or so. IMO, if that plant tonic does not help you turn the corner, then I would do plant autopsy on the worst plant; focusing on the roots. Could be critters (root aphids, etc).

Chillin12 · Feb 22, 2017

Here's some pics of the sick autos

Chillin12 · Feb 24, 2017

New pics. They are still hanging on but lots of yellow. Giving the autos more nitrogen. If it is lockout they will die and I will start over.

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