Information...Canadian Legalization Oct.17, 2018.

Finally, a concrete date for Canada's federal legalization of Marijuana for recreational use...Oct. 17, 2018.

Once this happens the Cannabis industry as we all know and understand will absolutely change. What are your thoughts, opinions and predictions, bad or good as to what is going to happen or not happen.

I, myself, am not sure anymore...I didn't expect to see it in my life time. I seen the legalizing of Marijuana come close back in the 70's, only to abruptly end in failure. I thought the same out come could easily happen this time, but Justin pulled it off.

This leaves us all guessing as to what will happen next...So what you think people of Canada, lets write down our thoughts and predictions...see how close we come, a written time capsule if you will... lol.

I'll start, IMO...

~It'll be more difficult to enter the USA, at least for the 1st year or so until it normals out...Then it will return to the same as it is now.

~Not at first, but once MJ is accepted in the main stream of our society...It'll be viewed and treated in the same way as Alcohol, fines and misdemeanor offenses with no jail time.

~In time, possiblely Canna friendly businesses geared toward the tourist industry.

There's a few starts... Feel free to contradict or elaborate on them...

Peace...B

Buddha1 said:

Finally, a concrete date for Canada's federal legalization of Marijuana for recreational use...Oct. 17, 2018.

Once this happens the Cannabis industry as we all know and understand will absolutely change. What are your thoughts, opinions and predictions, bad or good as to what is going to happen or not happen.

I, myself, am not sure anymore...I didn't expect to see it in my life time. I seen the legalizing of Marijuana come close back in the 70's, only to abruptly end in failure. I thought the same out come could easily happen this time, but Justin pulled it off.

This leaves us all guessing as to what will happen next...So what you think people of Canada, lets write down our thoughts and predictions...see how close we come, a written time capsule if you will... lol.

I'll start, IMO...

~It'll be more difficult to enter the USA, at least for the 1st year or so until it normals out...Then it will return to the same as it is now.

~Not at first, but once MJ is accepted in the main stream of our society...It'll be viewed and treated in the same way as Alcohol, fines and misdemeanor offenses with no jail time.

~In time, possiblely Canna friendly businesses geared toward the tourist industry.

There's a few starts... Feel free to contradict or elaborate on them...

Peace...B

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I never thought I would see legalization in Canada never mind being the first nation the west and the second nation ever to do it but ta da just like magic. Turns out the Liberals kept their promises once again while the conservatives failed miserably.


IMHO I kind of doubt there will be much of an issue at the USA boarder because the people saying that are conservatives who also said cannabis legalization would never happen.

IMHO Cannabis legalization will go very well in BC Canada because you will be able to toke up at your favorite patio of any bar, casino, café, come visit. And at any open air venue like music festivals. Unlike most provinces.

In BC cannabis smoking and vaping is prohibited everywhere tobacco smoking and vaping are prohibited, as well as at playgrounds, sports fields, skate parks, and other places where children commonly gather.

The Tobacco and Vapour Products Control Regulation sets a six metre zone around all doorways, air intakes and open windows to any public and work places in B.C. (previously, the buffer zone was three metres). This means there must be a six metre area around any doorway, air intake or open window to any public or work place in which no one can stand and use tobacco or vapour products. This protects against emissions entering these places and protects people as they enter or exit.
Places that may be considered public or workplaces include stores, offices, and entrances to condominiums/apartment buildings, work vehicles (e.g., delivery vans), public transit, taxis, cafes, casinos and pubs/bars.
There is an exception to the buffer zone restriction:
Tobacco and vapour products can be used on an outdoor hospitality patio (e.g., patio of a bar, casino, café) that is within a buffer zone if there are no open windows, doors or active air intakes between the patio and the hospitality venue. For example, patrons can use vapour products on a casino’s patio as long as the doors are closed except for exiting/entering, the windows to the casino are closed and the air intake is not operating.
NOTE: You may live in a community/municipality that has greater restrictions on outdoor smoke/vapour product use. Some communities in B.C. ban use of tobacco and vapour products on hospitality patios have buffer zones that are larger than six metres or ban use of these products on outdoor spaces such as beaches or playgrounds. If your community has such a bylaw, it takes precedence over the provincial requirement. Whichever requirement is more restrictive is the requirement you must follow. As an example, the provincial legislation allows vapour product use on a hospitality patio. However, your community/municipality bans it through a bylaw. Therefore, the community/municipality bylaw is the one that must be followed.

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https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/safety/public-safety/cannabis

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/keeping-bc-healthy-safe/tobacco-vapour/requirements-under-tobacco-vapour-product-control-act-regulation/tobacco-vapour-free-places



IMHO BC already has cannabis friendly businesses geared toward the tourist industry and will have even more starting oct 17 2018. I guess it really is true that BC is way ahead on cannabis then the rest of Canada.


Those who are getting upset with legalization laws are either loosing their cash cows or are listening to those who are.

They also announced the regulations for micro growers, processors, nurseries, etc. today. Most importantly people with a criminal record won't be excluded from getting a license, you can have multiple licenses which creates the potential for co-ops & most importantly all it takes to make seeds/clones legal is a declaration from the grower. So it looks like their aren't any significant hurdles for entering e legal market, other then profit margins are going to become very thin comparatively.

I think we'll see a bunch of court challenges to the heavy handed regulations. I expect a lot of competition, especially between craft growers & the LP. I hope that small local producers & home growers will end up controlling the majority but realise that's a pipe dream. I imagine once cities & provinces realise how much tourism money they're losing they'll open up public use to be similar to alcohol/tobacco. Overall I expect a lot of fears people are expressing about prohibition 2.0/monopolies to disappear as the system evolves.

What I don't like is how many stupid rules come with it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MSBbey6gs4


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I always believed that it would be legalized and ~ ten years ago, I believed that it would become legal in Canada right about now. The link from nine years ago is still in my signature at the bottom of this post.

The demographics say that it's going to become legal in the United States by 2024, too.

That said, I think there are a lot of Canadians here on ICM who don't appreciate the political realities and difficulties that had to be overcome within the party in power to make this happen. There is also a failure to appreciate that these changes and the inherent conservatism among older voters - and the politicians who represent them - made this difficult to do as a practical matter.

A certain degree of deception and short-term "policy stealth" was required to make this policy palatable to members of the Liberal caucus and among provincial governments. This was very significant and unavoidable. This lead, in turn, to a few key recommendations that have shaped the policies inherent in Canada's legalization and how it will be initially rolled out.

In terms of political and commercial presentation, legalization is not being presented as a "Fun Thing". The official line is that marijuana will not be "normalized", only legalized. The design of retail stores in Ontario and the Maritimes reflects this "no fun zone", nanny-state approach.

This is one of those psychological factors that was necessary to swallow in order to advance this legal policy through various governments. We also know the degree of self-deception and bullshitery that must be practiced in order to buy in to this plainly obvious lie is on the high end.

When you legalize something, you inevitably are making it normal. When you change the laws to permit Canadians to grow 4 plants in their family backyard in suburbia, you are changing the laws and making it normal. You may say you aren't; you may pretend you are not as a political ploy. But the reality is, that you are making it normal. How and when: it's merely a question of time.

This will take some time to work out as a matter of social convention and expectations. Legalization is a legislative and commercial event; normalization is a process in social psychology and the evolution of a country's culture. It will take time to work through. But we'll get there.

Exactly what it will look like and how long it will take for us to get there is unclear. My guess is that it will evolve over a ~15 year span, like most significant social changes in Canada. We don't really know what this one is going to look like in the end, but we'll get there. We may end up with a highly regionalized approach to it as well -- just as we experience with alcohol.

The trappings of commercial legalization will largely unfurl at the Provincial level, such that there will be less overall resistance in some areas to further legal changes. Consequently those changes in terms of sales and distribution, and in legally permitting cannabis lounges and cafes to operate (as opposed to ignoring a handful of hipster lounges that already do in Toronto, say) will also happen as some point in that 15 year cycle.

And yes, there will be moments of counter-revolution where the Prohibitionists will seize upon some accident, traffic death or other event which will put pressure on the system to revert. That is, however, very unlikely to have an effect. National governments have a much higher resistance to temporary pressures. And here, big business is a strong ally to an ongoing regulated cannabis market; significant market capitalization and business investment can effectively organize resistance to legal changes which will affect their bottom line. Business will fight any attempt to re-criminalize. We may not be going forward in the way some of you want; but that means we aren't at risk of going back, either.

That means cannabis companies will oppose some measures that might be in the interest of consumers and growers, but they will be a reliable ally in any attempt to undo what has been done. That makes going back almost impossible, no matter which party wins the next election.

It's going to be an occasionally bumpy ride, but these will be potholes, not "bridge out" leaps across the Snake River Canyon.

It will be fine.

For those who believe that it would all be just a vacuum of law and order, that's not the Canadian Way. Not in anything. Ever. You can like that, hate that, complain about it, or do whatever it is you want to do in reaction to that reality. But the point to take away is that it is a reality. Maybe someday the state will wither away and all bonds of regulation of cannabis may recede; but if you are an adult Canadian reading this post, that event won't be happening in your lifetime.

In the meanwhile, the opportunity to grow 4 plants outside -- OUTSIDE -- in my backyard garden and babysit them as they do so is a rather stunning development to me which has me all kinds of excited about next spring. I've never grown outside before. I could completely screw it up and yield nothing, or I could hit the ball so far out of the park that the harvest might become truly alarming in size. Or I may get a result which is several points of failure and success in between those two extremes.

And I get to do all of it without stressing about legalities.

I can't wait.

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I still don't think you can call it legalization! The gov. is allowing the little people to grow 4 plants per household. If it was truly legal, there would be no penalties going forward, and we all know that this is not the case. Maybe in the future, but it isn't happening now.



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silvi said:

I still don't think you can call it legalization! The gov. is allowing the little people to grow 4 plants per household. If it was truly legal, there would be no penalties going forward, and we all know that this is not the case. Maybe in the future, but it isn't happening now.

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We can't brew our own beer, or make our own wine, or distill alcohol without regulation, either.

But nobody says that's not "legal". So I think expectations here are what's at issue.

As for 4 plants, that may not seem like a lot when on ICM when we have a growing culture that is often Sea of Green based, and is principally an indoor growing culture. You can't easily clone, easily hold a Mother plant in Veg or engage in any real breeding program with only 4 plants - no argument.

And no, 4 plants on an indoor grow is hardly a shocking amount of weed, (but a 1000 watt HPS will still grow a lot in the middle of 4 hempy buckets!)

But when you can grow 4 plants outside in a backyard garden that you can carefully monitor and babysit (as opposed to some bullshit guerrilla grow), you can grow somewhere between a shit-ton and a fuckload of weed with 4 plants where there is no restriction on height or plot-size. While I am not saying that a harvest of 3 lbs a plant would be typical, it is certainly well within reach if that's what you want to do. 9 ounces to 1 lb a plant is far more likely, too. Assuming PM, frost and bud rot don't get your crop first, that is.

And for a personal grow? Dude, that is way more weed that 99.9% of people will ever need on an annual basis. For those who really need more? They can go medical.

If I can grow 4 plants outside, have no care or concern about where I shop, where they deliver my nutes or gear, what websites I visit, if the neighbors see it, if the neighbors smell it, if somebody blabs about it, and I can call the cops if some little assholes hop over my fence, trespass and steal my stuff? And I am not feeling like I am assembling the evidence to send me to prison by monitoring my garden with cameras? And I didn't have to jump through a single hoop, fill out even ONE fucking form, or pay off some nurse practitioner or cannabis friendly doctor before I can do any of this? Am I calling that legal? Hells yes.

If your plan was to open an Amsterdam coffee house, outside of B.C., that's not in the immediate cards. (But it's probably coming in time.)

If your object was instead to make money off of cannabis in whatever way made you happy without anybody licensing or regulating anything you did? Okay: then not so much.

Me? I have a job. This is a hobby and past-time. I'm good.

You can brew your own beer and make your own wine what have yuo been smoking? Only spirits remain illegal to make at home.

Gmack said:

You can brew your own beer and make your own wine what have yuo been smoking? Only spirits remain illegal to make at home.

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My point is that all three are subject to laws and regulation. Brewing your own beer and fermenting your own wine varies in each province, but in all cases, there are limits on volume as it is for personal use only. So it's lawful and allowed, with the regulations set up so that you can't really make more than for yourself and your family.

That's pretty much what the plant limit is aimed at, too. We can argue about what it allows and prevents all day long -- but the bottom line is that it technically allows a very large amount of weed to be grown.

Distilling alcohol is unlawful in Canada at a federal level under the Excise Tax Act, though is not a crime per se. As it is a tax offence the primary penalty is seizing your still. But if you have a permit, you are good to go and that portion of the Excise Tax Act does not apply to your still.

My point: In all cases, these things are regulated by laws. Nobody would ever say that brewing your own beer or making your own wine wasn't legal. It's expressly allowed for personal use and you can even give it away, as long as you don't sell it. Even distilling alcohol is not unlawful, as long as you have a permit.

The same concept applies to cannabis. You can grow 4 plants outside or inside, and you can even give your weed away. But you can't sell it.

Bottom line: that's what legal looks like. The presence of laws and regulations defining and clarifying what's permitted and what isn't permitted is what legalization was always about. We can argue about the borders of the activity and where the lines will be drawn, but at the end of the day, what falls inside that box (wherever we end up drawing its edges) is legal.

gonna see alot of crappy ghs buds and grows.


on a side note I had to screenshot that big post of yours, fatigue. A very good and rational insight. im gonna show it to everyone I know.

... the bottom line is that the days of the wild wild west are over. Anyone who thought people can come and go and do what they please are over. To think otherwise, simply delusional. That being said, I am not naive enough to think that home grows (4) will eliminate the black market. What is does do, is allow folks to by-pass the man and the market white or black. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] man
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I predict massive pollen clouds over every major city as people try to grow their own, and abandon them like they do their tomatoes. You won't be able to get seed free weed even in dispensaries unless you buy the "pre-ground" weed (aka shake).

I have a friend who tried to grow 6 plants in his yard a month ago (he doesn't know I grow). They all died. You'll see that for years. lol

TychoMonolyth said:

I predict massive pollen clouds over every major city as people try to grow their own, and abandon them like they do their tomatoes. You won't be able to get seed free weed even in dispensaries unless you buy the "pre-ground" weed (aka shake).

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I am hoping you are wrong (and fearing you may be right).

The best we can hope for is that the gov stores only sell feminized seeds. If you can only grow 4 plants, you would think that buying only fem seed would be important, right? *sigh*

It only takes a few dozen evenly distributed idiots to accomplish "Pollen City" across a major urban area though. As an example, I have ~200 Hash Plant seeds in a jar in my cupboard which I got from a friend and never used. They are known to be excessively hermi prone. (I have no good excuse as to why I have never destroyed them).

Would somebody else plant those, not knowing? Yes; probably. *sigh*

We live in interesting times...

fatigues said:

The best we can hope for is that the gov stores only sell feminized seeds.

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You're naive to think people will only grow feminized seeds.

Nobody I know with a personal seedbank will throw their regular seeds in the garbage.

TychoMonolyth said:

I predict massive pollen clouds over every major city as people try to grow their own, and abandon them like they do their tomatoes. You won't be able to get seed free weed even in dispensaries unless you buy the "pre-ground" weed (aka shake).

I have a friend who tried to grow 6 plants in his yard a month ago (he doesn't know I grow). They all died. You'll see that for years. lol

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That has not happened in any legal states so I doubt it will happen here

Here in the states beer is limited to 200 gallons a year. That is 2 beers a day. People go well over that limit of course. It's hard to sell black market beer. It's bulky, word has to get around to sell, and people drop dimes. I'd even bet some cops brew over the limit. But why not gift some away? Nobody gets rich off a basement brewery.

I'd be happy with two flowering girls. Veg for 1.5 months since the veg light is always on. Then repot and veg in the flower tent for 3 days, then bam, 70 days or whatever you want. Continue the cycle or shut down for summer. Remember power costs money.

The whole thing of everyone wanting to be a legal grower but not follow rules wouldmflood the market and cause even more troubles. Not that I didn't enjoy Canada's black market products a time or two!