YetiOG
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How much is a case of 6 of these? Thats so cool i should use those in my veg space if they are cheap i deffinitly will
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320w P.L. Hortiled Top Cannablüm
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How much is a case of 6 of these? Thats so cool i should use those in my veg space if they are cheap i deffinitly will
they weren't cheap, they charged me 156 Euro for a case of 8 bulbs, they are not being sold in the US yet.
I like the bulbs though, light weight and high quality, no outgassing smell or anything. The plants perked up in a big way when I switched to these from the Cree bulbs. UFO was a great company to deal with - very professional and friendly:
https://www.ufosupplies.nl/en/ufo/products/philips-led-lights/philips-led-flowering-lamp-2-0/
I like the bulbs though, light weight and high quality, no outgassing smell or anything. The plants perked up in a big way when I switched to these from the Cree bulbs. UFO was a great company to deal with - very professional and friendly:
https://www.ufosupplies.nl/en/ufo/products/philips-led-lights/philips-led-flowering-lamp-2-0/
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YetiOG
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Would be neat to see how well a box of those thrown into a space would do growing a plant start to finish
I'd be tempted to flower a single little stick plant under a single bulb lol... flower a cut once it roots. That would be a funny little science experiment... well if you pulled a gram per watt though and actually got like 10 grams that would be fucked up... imagine getting like 10 to 15 joints off some little stick plant...
In 5 gallon pots, one C99 yielded 5.5 ounces, one 6 ounces, and the Pennywise cross yielded a (weak) 4 ounces. The two plants in 5 gallon pots last run yielded 6 ounces each.
I don't have a total yield for one lamp, I was moving plants in & out of both my tents. But the yields per gallon of soil are the same as my 600w Gavita HPS - about 1.2 ounces/gallon. Next run I'm trying four plants in 3.7 gal. containers with the goal of getting 16-20 ounces in the 4X4.
>>I'd be tempted to flower a single little stick plant under a single bulb lol
yeah, with outdoor legalization here I'm seeing friends throwing seeds and tiny plants in the ground to see what happens. I would assume even one little stalk will give you a nice cola. You can see some amazing LED cabinets in the microgrow section with small plants.
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I went to your link but it was confusing for me. How many of those would I need for a 4' X 4' tent, and how much $?
Thank you.
Here you go - if you wait for one of their sales you can get the price down a bit:
https://www.ledgrowlightsdepot.com/...-l-light-systems-hortled-top?lshst=collection
You will need one light for a 4X4 tent.
https://www.ledgrowlightsdepot.com/...-l-light-systems-hortled-top?lshst=collection
You will need one light for a 4X4 tent.
the square coverage area is not suited to 5x5, I would put two of them into a 4X8. One should be able to power a 5X5 veg area though.
Traceofvenom
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What is your soil mix? Would you be so kind to share your recipe with the exact items and ratios?
Peace
sure, right now I'm going with a low-compost mix, something like this:
21% Perlite (total)
8% Vermiculite
3.5% Worm Castings
3.5% Ancient Forest (forest hummus compost)
64% peat (I start with Lambert LM111 peat/perlite as the base mix)
for added nutes it's Seabird Guano, Lobster Meal, Alfalfa, Kelp. And a touch of minerals - greensand and Azomite. That's it. So I'm down to only 7% compost. I was using 10-15% compost but I did side-by-sides and the plants like 7% compost better.
21% Perlite (total)
8% Vermiculite
3.5% Worm Castings
3.5% Ancient Forest (forest hummus compost)
64% peat (I start with Lambert LM111 peat/perlite as the base mix)
for added nutes it's Seabird Guano, Lobster Meal, Alfalfa, Kelp. And a touch of minerals - greensand and Azomite. That's it. So I'm down to only 7% compost. I was using 10-15% compost but I did side-by-sides and the plants like 7% compost better.
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Traceofvenom
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Interesting. Seems heavy on the Peat. Do you have any issues with water draining when you water? Peat repels water in my experience. Unless you add a wetting agent like yucca, soap nuts, aloe etc...
Also, with the added nutes is there a need to let the mix cook for any length of time to let the microbes break them in or do you just mix it all up and plant immediately?
Peace
Traceofvenom
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Been looking into this light after your results. I can't find any pricing info and the link you posted gives a 404 file cant be found message. On their home page the where to buy links give two options for those in the USA. mygreenplanet and bioflorausa when I go to those two sites and search for the HortiLED TOP, the search results yield nothing or no results found.
I have been looking at Fluence the company that makes the Spydrx. Looks like a pretty nice LED for around $900 depending on options.
Peace
I changed the numbers, it was 64% total peat moss. I start with this base mix - it has organic wetting agent, I add perlite & vermiculite to make it 30% aeration, about 7% worm casting & hummus.
https://www.lambertpeatmoss.com/products/lm-111-organic-all-purpose-mix/
It absorbs water OK. I was using more compost in prior runs and this mix worked better. I try to let it sit for a while before using but sometimes I use it right away, don't see much difference.
I've done more testing with these lights - I like the full spectrum (white) better than the bloom (red) spectrum. I've found that changing LED spectrums on the plants shocks them. Honestly the red-dominant lights seem better for supplemental lighting in a greenhouse, where the sun rounds out the spectrum.
Full spectrum lights have reached the same efficiency as red/blue ones - you might as well garden in white light, it's better for viewing the plants. I'm planning to run a comparison of the Hortiled full spectrum fixture with a Fluence Vypr 2x.
You can order P.L. Light fixtures through Griffin's Greenhouse in most of the USA, or Urban-Gro. It's definitely easier to obtain a Fluence fixture, that's a huge bonus, they sell direct to consumers and have excellent customer service.
https://www.lambertpeatmoss.com/products/lm-111-organic-all-purpose-mix/
It absorbs water OK. I was using more compost in prior runs and this mix worked better. I try to let it sit for a while before using but sometimes I use it right away, don't see much difference.
I've done more testing with these lights - I like the full spectrum (white) better than the bloom (red) spectrum. I've found that changing LED spectrums on the plants shocks them. Honestly the red-dominant lights seem better for supplemental lighting in a greenhouse, where the sun rounds out the spectrum.
Full spectrum lights have reached the same efficiency as red/blue ones - you might as well garden in white light, it's better for viewing the plants. I'm planning to run a comparison of the Hortiled full spectrum fixture with a Fluence Vypr 2x.
You can order P.L. Light fixtures through Griffin's Greenhouse in most of the USA, or Urban-Gro. It's definitely easier to obtain a Fluence fixture, that's a huge bonus, they sell direct to consumers and have excellent customer service.
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Traceofvenom
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I honestly don't see how you could go wrong with one or the other. Why do you prefer the Vypr series over the spydr series? Is it a more streamlined thing? I mean you have one bar with the Vypr and the SpydrX with 5 bars. Both pretty close on specs... Which PhysioSpec you going with on the Vypr? You think the Vypr 2x would kill it in a 4x4 tent?
Peace
the Vypr's are cheaper but I avoid Spydr because of arthritis - it's hard to handle a heavier fixture, the Vypr is lighter. I assume the Vypr 120-degree beam angle will be OK in a 6.5 foot tent - usually the light is 24+ inches from the canopy, only closer if a few cola tops reach higher, that's the Fluence recommendation.
The Spydr's probably better at even coverage and shadowing, but hopefully the reflective lining of the tent will help fill things in. I like Greenhouse better than PHysiospec Indoor - it seems too yellow to me. Greenhouse takes away some of the yellow/orange and gives you more blue...still has about 40% red for flowering. I'm a hobbyist so I don't mind if I give up a little yield.
The Spydr's probably better at even coverage and shadowing, but hopefully the reflective lining of the tent will help fill things in. I like Greenhouse better than PHysiospec Indoor - it seems too yellow to me. Greenhouse takes away some of the yellow/orange and gives you more blue...still has about 40% red for flowering. I'm a hobbyist so I don't mind if I give up a little yield.
I am checking out the new 340w Vyper - not so great for a 4x4 tent - the LED array is only 22" long - at 24" above the canopy the beam is nowhere near 4 feet wide, it's less than 30" wide. I'm not sure I can even use it.
The PL Hortileds are 38" long, they do really well at covering the whole tent, at 2 feet away the beam covers 4 feet evenly. Looks like the Vyper needs to be maybe 3-4 feet away to cover the spread, better for an actual greenhouse maybe. The 4 foot long Vyper will cover a 4X4 better but it's overkill at 630 watts.
The Hortlleds are high-grade - the driver is built-in - integrated into the fixture - there's only one small power cord. The Vyper has a huge box for the drivers and more cords to deal with. Hortileds have a glass lens over the diodes to protect them as well, pretty slick. Fluence gives you a warning note not to touch the diodes or get them dirty. It takes some time to order a P.L. Light fixture but it's well worth it IMO. P.L. Light and Philips are the only ones that integrate the driver into the main fixture housing.
Also the problem with the red-spectrum appears to be one of intensity, not spectral shift. When you keep the intensity the same, there is no shock when moving from full-spectrum to red-dominant spectrum. You have to be careful not to increase intensity too much, you can't judge it with your eyes when changing spectra.
The PL Hortileds are 38" long, they do really well at covering the whole tent, at 2 feet away the beam covers 4 feet evenly. Looks like the Vyper needs to be maybe 3-4 feet away to cover the spread, better for an actual greenhouse maybe. The 4 foot long Vyper will cover a 4X4 better but it's overkill at 630 watts.
The Hortlleds are high-grade - the driver is built-in - integrated into the fixture - there's only one small power cord. The Vyper has a huge box for the drivers and more cords to deal with. Hortileds have a glass lens over the diodes to protect them as well, pretty slick. Fluence gives you a warning note not to touch the diodes or get them dirty. It takes some time to order a P.L. Light fixture but it's well worth it IMO. P.L. Light and Philips are the only ones that integrate the driver into the main fixture housing.
Also the problem with the red-spectrum appears to be one of intensity, not spectral shift. When you keep the intensity the same, there is no shock when moving from full-spectrum to red-dominant spectrum. You have to be careful not to increase intensity too much, you can't judge it with your eyes when changing spectra.
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