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Mail in voting during the pandemic

St. Phatty

Active member
doesn't planning to slow mail down - in certain states - to throw an election - qualify as impeachment material ?

if an independent group plotted to do that, they would be called a Terrorist. especially if they were Russian.
 

Gry

Well-known member
The US mail is the primary way most Veterans and increasing more Americans are getting their medications. What is being done to the US Post Office is a national disgrace.
 

St. Phatty

Active member
that's a felony i believe...

there's lots of things that are felonies, that are never prosecuted.

i would not be surprised to see it attempted.


In the real world, the mail at the post office IS being deliberately slowed down.
$2 Trillion to bail out Wall Street and they can't afford $25 billion for the USPS ?
or $3.5 Billion. That is pretty damn deliberate.

Trump recently installed a loyalist at the post office, which has recently had very real slowdowns. I ended up double-paying my July mortgage because it was the easiest way to deal with it.

The mail slowdown is not some kind of academic thing. It's real. There's millions of Americans whose credit is going to get hammered this month because they couldn't write the second check, or because the bank insisted on charging them a fee for stopping payment on the first check. In a situation like that it is very easy to get over-drawn.

This slow-mail situation is the kind of situation that brings out the Predatory Financing in the US. It is hardest on the poor people. And they are being hit with fees etc. because of late payments.

if you haven't been affected by it, you are lucky.


this is the kind of monkey business my history teachers described in grade school, when they were trying to paint a picture of the forever-collapsing USSR.


https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...rump-declares-postal-service-cant-handle-mail
 
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Gry

Well-known member
there's lots of things that are felonies, that are never prosecuted.

i would not be surprised to see it attempted.


In the real world, the mail at the post office IS being deliberately slowed down.
$2 Trillion to bail out Wall Street and they can't afford $25 billion for the USPS ?
or $2.5 Billion. That is pretty damn deliberate.

Trump recently installed a loyalist at the post office, which has recently had very real slowdowns. I ended up double-paying my July mortgage because it was the easiest way to deal with it.

The mail slowdown is not some kind of academic thing. It's real. There's millions of Americans whose credit is going to get hammered this month because they couldn't write the second check, or because the bank insisted on charging them a fee for stopping payment on the first check. In a situation like that it is very easy to get over-drawn.

This slow-mail situation is the kind of situation that brings out the Predatory Financing in the US. It is hardest on the poor people. And they are being hit with fees etc. because of late payments.

if you haven't been affected by it, you are lucky.

this is the kind of monkey business my history teachers described in grade school, when they were trying to paint a picture of the forever-collapsing USSR.
Tragic to see the republican party doing what we were told only the worst of regimes do.
 

'Boogieman'

Well-known member
I'm in a state that I know will go red but I can definitely see both sides doing it if they live in a state that doesn't support their views.
 

EsterEssence

Well-known member
Veteran
It’s going to be a double edged sword, a lot of people in Florida vote by mail which this regime won last time around. You would think that it would be criminal to outright say he wants the mail slowed down to interfere with an election, I guess it is just one of many criminal acts done by this regime...
 

packerfan79

Active member
Veteran
Let's be real here. You want to setup a nationwide mail in voting system in less than 3 months, for over 100 million voters. The states that have mail in voting spent years working it.

Their have been massive problems with the mail in in New Jersey, New York, and California. Their are primaies that still haven't been decided, due to issues with mail in voting. New York saw 20 % rejection of ballots.

To the politics of it. Pelosi is holding up stimulus to get mail in voting.

Why would you want 20 % of ballots to be rejected?

I personally want everyone to vote, its your civic duty.
Why do you guys want 20% rejection of ballots?

Biden has hired 600 lawyers, dedicated to filing elections law suits nationwide.

Their is a real possibility that the house will decided the result of the election, the Republicans will have more votes in the house ensuring Trump gets reelected. Look it up. It goes by state delegations not individual congressman.

Ultimately the democrats know their only chance is to cause chaos, and violence in the streets. You know like we have had for months.

Podesta and Democrat operatives war gamed it, every scenario is bad. One scenario has the west coast succeeding from the union.

Besides elections are a state system, not federal. It's in the constitution.
 

Gry

Well-known member
Let's be real here. You want to setup a nationwide mail in voting system in less than 3 months, for over 100 million voters. The states that have mail in voting spent years working it.

Their have been massive problems with the mail in in New Jersey, New York, and California. Their are primaies that still haven't been decided, due to issues with mail in voting. New York saw 20 % rejection of ballots.

To the politics of it. Pelosi is holding up stimulus to get mail in voting.

Why would you want 20 % of ballots to be rejected?

I personally want everyone to vote, its your civic duty.
Why do you guys want 20% rejection of ballots?

Biden has hired 600 lawyers, dedicated to filing elections law suits nationwide.

Their is a real possibility that the house will decided the result of the election, the Republicans will have more votes in the house ensuring Trump gets reelected. Look it up. It goes by state delegations not individual congressman.

Ultimately the democrats know their only chance is to cause chaos, and violence in the streets. You know like we have had for months.

Podesta and Democrat operatives war gamed it, every scenario is bad. One scenario has the west coast succeeding from the union.

Besides elections are a state system, not federal. It's in the constitution.
If you personally want everyone to vote, it puts you at odds with the position of your party.
They fully understand what such an outcome would be.
Which is why they do everything possible to make it more difficult for people to vote.
They wish to reduce the number who vote, and they
do everything possible to make it difficult to count the ballots.
 

St. Phatty

Active member
the argument against mail in voting - in 2020

"we're too stoopid to adapt to Covid19"


how about in person polling places -

just for the MAGA cizers.

No Masks Required :party:

Everybody has to lick the shrine - a Trump poster.
 

packerfan79

Active member
Veteran
If you personally want everyone to vote, it puts you at odds with the position of your party.
They fully understand what such an outcome would be.
Which is why they do everything possible to make it more difficult for people to vote.
They wish to reduce the number who vote, and they
do everything possible to make it difficult to count the ballots.

I should clarify, I want every American citizen to vote. My party has a similar desire.

You are welcome to believe what you want. Opinions yada yada. You know the deal.
 

Gry

Well-known member
I should clarify, I want every American citizen to vote. My party has a similar desire.

You are welcome to believe what you want. Opinions yada yada. You know the deal.
"Now many of our Christians have what I call the 'goo-goo syndrome.' Good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people. They never have been from the beginning of our country, and they are not now. As a matter of fact our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." —Paul Weyrich, 1980

Want proof that Republicans want to suppress voters? Just ask Trump.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ublicans-want-suppress-voters-just-ask-trump/

Republicans Admit They Lose When Elections Are Fair and Free
https://billmoyers.com/story/coronavirus-voting-rights-election-gerrymandering/

The GOP War on Voting
In a campaign supported by the Koch brothers, Republicans are working to prevent millions of Democrats from voting next year
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/the-gop-war-on-voting-242182/

How the GOP Plans to Suppress the Vote and Sabotage the ...
Blocking ballots, intimidating voters, spreading misinformation — undermining democracy is at the heart of Trump’s 2020 campaign
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-campaign-2020-voter-suppression-consent-decree-1028988/

Top Trump adviser: Republicans have 'always' relied on voter suppression
‘Traditionally, it’s always been Republicans suppressing votes’
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/21/trump-adviser-republicans-voter-suppression

In leaked audio, a top Trump adviser said the Republican party has 'traditionally' relied on voter suppression
https://www.businessinsider.com/lea...s-rely-voter-suppression-justin-clark-2019-12

Republicans Now Just Admitting They Want Fewer Americans To Vote As Trump and his GOP allies battle Democratic proposals to make voting safer in the age of coronavirus, they’re being open about how increased turnout could hurt them at the ballot box.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/202...t-admitting-they-want-fewer-americans-to-vote

How Republicans in North Carolina Knowingly Suppressed Voting
What Early Voting in North Carolina Actually Reveals
Some counties succeeded in suppressing voter turnout—but there’s much more to the story.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...MI5dXT4J2b6wIVTfDACh3Zqg40EAMYAiAAEgJr-_D_BwE
 

ElGato

Active member
Veteran
Gry, if you alter the search terms just a bit you will get the exact opposite results

Cherry Picking is fun

Democrats, Still the Party of Voter Suppression
https://www.conservativedailynews.com/2018/09/democrats-still-the-party-of-voter-suppression/

What The MSM Won’t Tell You About Democrats’ Voter Suppression In The Wisconsin Election
https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/1...-voter-suppression-in-the-wisconsin-election/

Democrats need to fix their own voter suppression problem
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/19/opinions/democrats-need-reform-new-york-primary-weaver/index.html

How Democrats Suppress The Vote
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-democrats-suppress-the-vote/



i could go on and on
 
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