Bohemian Graftcity

I’m once again starting a new diary so that the thread title is more fitting to the current goings on in my garden.

The seriously SILy Branch Blooming experiment was fun. I found out that when separating sections of a plant with a light barrier and keeping one on 24 hrs light does indeed keep that section perfectly in the veg stage while the 12/12 section flowers out woth a hitch.

When I started that thread my thinking was that if it my hypothesis was correct I’d root prune and up pot that plant create another one just the same and grow that way from now on. This was a solution to only growing the state mandated 4 legal recreational plant count and still be able to max out the space I have available in a nice monthly perpetual manor. Not long into the other experiment though I realized that I’d much rather start an air layering once/month on my MOMF ((Mom Of Many Flavors) - shout out to Methias for teaching me that term not sure if he coined it or not))

Then cut the air layering off after a month or two to veg for one more month next to the MOMF before going into one of my two tents.

I’ll be grafting that one plant with at least two if not 5-6 different strains each month. I’ll playing around with different combinations to see which strains make the best host plants aka have the best root stock. Also with designs and patterns for novelty sake.

It’s late and it’s bed time so I’ll post some pictures tomorrow to kick this thing off. Love you all.

Looking forward to seeing this!

very interesting

I'm in.

ScrogMonster,
Thanks to your tutorial on grafting procedures, Judy has again recently undergone grafting surgery (after 3 more complete failures) and she is looking good. Time will tell. Still waiting for the tape to arrive.

Yes I first started calling an earlier Judy with a successful grafted branch my two tone clone. But once I started going for third or fourth flavors I started calling Judy a Mom Of Many Flavors, MOMF

However the crown of the grafters belongs to you.

All hail the King of Grafters ; ScrogMonster

May all your grafts be fruitful.

Vape on kids

Always like your threads. I'll be watching for sure.

Welcome fellas! So glad to have you all here along for another ride with me.

Methias - Hey brother, I had a feeling you might have coined that term. It's gaining traction for sure

King of Grafters ohh gosh really who me *blushes* stop you're too kind.

May your grafts bare beautiful bud fruit as well my friend.

Big shout out also to blynx right quick for inspiring me and so many others to use the ultra low cost yet supper effective SIL technology! So much better then HID's in so many ways (not an invitation for an argument from any CMH lovers or Big Rollers out there with warehouse grows, those lights obviously still have their place, just not in my garden lol)

On with some photo's now gee whiz stop blabbin like you're at the grammys you weirdo. Okay fine. Here we go. I got my graft on big time last night.

My 5 gallon Air Layering attached to my MOMF was starting to get a bit big despite only having one 17.5 SIL directed at it and side lighting from the SIL's above the MOMF. The host strain is Tangelo which neither I nor my lovely gf are super fond of. It grows beautiful buds that look and smell amazing... It's strong enough too but its not my favorite effect and I don't really enjoy the toke as i find it to be harsh. Maybe I just gave it too much food and should have flushed it more on the last run not sure but I like my other strains more so I grafted Lemon Meringue, Peyote Cookies and Sugar black Rose all over it. 13 grafts last night to be exact. I could have done this with out cutting any of it's branches off, or at least very little but I took a bunch of them off because I want most the growth to end up these 3 strains while the tops and a few side branches will remain Tangelo.

here is the first attempt I made. I was trying to use a branch of the tangelo and cut half the stem away from both the host and scion to a length of about a RW plug. This straight up was not working for me it was so hard to try and secure those small stems together horizontally.



I abandoned this attempt, cut that branch off and salvaged the scion by making a fresh cut on it, the same way and going back to my method of shaving some bark off of a big vertical stem. The "Adding a Branch" grafting technique. It's really easy to do because you can really strongly secure the smaller branch to the bigger one with some grafting tape rather easily. I believe it to be very effective as well because of how much surface area gets to be touching.

I am experimenting right now also with how small one of these Add a Branch grafts can be done.





Here's an example where I used my Add a Branch technique to a side branch.



Assuming this graft site heals, once it does, I'll be cutting all the host growth off of that branch leaving only the SBR scion. The nice thing about this graft here is that the scion can rest on that host branch like it is and won't be drooping down. It's all tucked in for a healing nap tee hee.

Here's a fun one! I finally braved adding two branches at the same spot! Fingers crossed!



Here she is with fresh 13 grafts on her.

Even though I came with the Add a Branch technique because I correctly assumed that one would not even need to cover the graft site with a bag, (I've had 4/5 successful with no bag, just occasional misting) I went ahead and used bags this time around to increase the chances of hopefully not loosing even one or maybe just only one or two of these grafts.



Unfortunately I was not able to graft any of my favorite strain GG#4 (I haven't tasted the SBR or PC yet they both have a fighting a chance of being my new favorite).



You can see in the photo above that the GG section (front and center in the photo) is weak af right now. For some reason it doesn't even seem like there are any russet mites on the other strains of the MOMF, thank God. However the GG section is/was riddled with them and it's taken quite a beating.

I haven't been as diligent as I should have with my spraying LCPT on it and the other reason believe the spraying has not been super effective yet is that I just finished trimming the MOMF wayyyyy back before this photo. The MOMF is in a 7 gallon pot and exploded with growth in all 6 sections. I really need to keep up with trimming it back and also with preventative spraying to keep this girl healthy in the future.

Here is photo of her from a different angle right after I finished trimming/thinning her way way back.



That's all for now folks. I'll post another picture of the 5 Gallon grafted up Air Layering in the next day or two. I believed by the time it's good and healed and I'm taking all the tape off it'll be ready to go into one of the tents between to vertically hung 306w SIL fixtures which I recently bought all the materials to air cool btw. I'll be posting photo's of that process as well. Just thin boards with circles cut slightly wider then rim of the SIL's then screwed to be flush with the SIL's then I have some ducting pieces that are 6" to 4"x10" rectangles that are meant for "registers" aka wall vents heh, and two 6" T's so that I can split my exhaust between the two fixtures in both my tents.

After some one not long ago posted in blynx's off the shelf retail comparison thread his similar air cooled SIL cabinet and said it runs just 1 degree over ambient I thought to myself... okay I have to do it. My tents run 8-12 over ambient atm, the hotter it is the room the hotter gets in the tents. So even if air cooling my SIL's just brings it down to a consistent 5 degrees over ambient I'll be so smitten.

More soon. Thanks for reading, much love.

ScrogMonster said:

After some one not long ago posted in blynx's off the shelf retail comparison thread his similar air cooled SIL cabinet and said it runs just 1 degree over ambient I thought to myself... okay I have to do it. My tents run 8-12 over ambient atm, the hotter it is the room the hotter gets in the tents. So even if air cooling my SIL's just brings it down to a consistent 5 degrees over ambient I'll be so smitten.

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Hey, I think I know that guy! When my cabinets weren't air cooled, they were 5-10 over ambient which was fine-ish, but its a complete game changer for very little work. So you have the images for quick reference while you build yours:









I cut a sheet of white semi transparent acrylic to the interior dimensions of the cab, then pushed the sheet up against the sockets and marked where the center of each one was with a sharpie. To cut the holes I used a 2.5 inch hole saw and then attached the panel with wooden standoffs off the roof to hold the sheet in place. Air pulls through the panel over the lights through to the back of the cabinet (3 pc fans from Silenx).

When its done, you can test the fixture by taking a puff and exhaling it into your cabinet. Mine clears in about 10-15 seconds, which is probably overkill, but initially I didn't know how much air I would have to pull to cool it down.


Related to your other thread - the box of veg surrounded by flowering on the outside threw me for a loop. I was under the impression that auxin travel (which is supposedly whole plant) would force the inside to flower or the outside to veg, or who knows what. The fact the branches acted as their own little island says there's a whole other thing to consider with grafting: spent plants.

After you chop all the branches off a mature, flowered root stock, why not graft to that? Obviously the new branches (which would be in veg mode) should stick and grow. I will be trying this in my setup with the grafting shears and various methods you've outlined.

Terpene - Hell yeah bro! I’m excited that you said you’re going to attempt a “harvest and graft”!! I hope you do!! I wanna see that for sure!

I could remember who it was and I didn’t wanna go digging for it! I’m glad you noticed and posted those pics here thanks man. I’m gonna be doing it in a bit different way to make it work with the fixtures I already have in my tents. I’m excited to get that going I’ll post pics probably in both my threads that I’ll have going for a bit this one and the branch blooming one.

Ima post some updates for this thread in a few hours.

Very interesting. Beautiful pictures as always. I like grafting but my research time is spent in other areas. I have a decent understanding of it but what I am really curious about is how a different root stock affects the growth of a scion.

SuperBadGrower - Well hey you saw the Peyote Cookies Scion buds compared to the original from my other thread right? How the individual calyx were probably more then twice as large and the top section of the Scion was more then twice as big as the biggest top on the original?

I’m sure some combinations won’t be so quite as beneficial and awesome as that one was. I’ll be rotating through which strain I use for the rootstock to see which performs best all around.

Here’s a bunch of pictures of those grafts healed! I kept the bags on for maybe 5-7 days, id open them to blow the old air out once/day. I kept the graft and scotch tape on for about two weeks. I feel like that’s definitely the right amount of time maximum healing. I took the tape off too early (5days maybe) of a graft I was playing around with on my MOMF and the Scion stem ended up coming off the side of host stem and that graft failed.

It looks like one of my 13 grafts on this plant didn’t land quite right. It looks healed but the growth isn’t growing like rest are, but 12/13 is good numbers!







This is one of my favorite!! I was playing with how small a stem could be used for this “add a branch” technique. As you can see this is probably around 1/2inch or smaller with a tiny growth at the node (the growth has grown a lot since) but what this shows is you can chop up one 6-7” branch into as many scions as there are nodes and graft them all onto the bare stem of another small plant. Pretty cool.



Here’s the one I did horizontally resting it on the top of a smaller side branch. Turned out just fine.

You can see here the bright green scar tissue of one I just unwrapped and right above that one that was unwrapped a day or two prior where the scar tissue has hardened and darkened.




Here’s where I did two in one spot using the same tape. The one on the left side that is coming apart is the one that didn’t quite make it.





Here’s another super small one I did. The stem piece was small too but the growth at the node was micro when I grafted it. It healed well and is growing just fine. This could useful for saving a strain from dying of all that is healthy on a plant is one tiny growth and there’s not enough to try rooting it, graft it, grow it, then take a cutting!

This picture shows how you can look through the tape and see when the graft is good and healed. You can see all the bright scar tissue grown around the side of the stem... no guesswork here.

TAGGING IN FOR ROUND 2
hey just a thought
your soil is where your russets are congregating

i understand what that means for you - but it is what it is
you wont get rid of them until you do

gonna enjoy your next show in the meantime

Hey Boyd - I think I might have some naturally occurring beneficial predator mites in my soil though. I don’t know look at these guys and tell me what you think. If I saw these on the foliage I’d think they were spider mites but they just chill in the soil so I’m hoping they’re good guys.

damn your root pron
damn your eyes

those arent nematodes

the look your girls have is more russet than broad mites - broads cause mutations and shoot twisting and glossy bubbly fans where the russets cause what looks first like a n def moving into calcium and K defs with large areas of fan necrosis
the one thing im not seeing is the edge curling up sharply on the fans ,or the twisted claw

ie
alot like hydro with real fucked nutes
no matter what u throw at it , it gets worse

i dont remember you mentioning specifically ur medium ,
but ive grown years in organics and kept having these pests in one degree or other in my soil runs

i switched to coco - although im planning on reviving 2 year dormant soil for moms this summer - just not running it in my flower rooms

Hahaha.

Well I’ve heard there’s other soil mites that are beneficial. Is a nematode even a mite?
Yeah I love my medium and nutrients. Don’t wanna change and so far LCPT keeps things good as long as I keep up with spraying. Every other day for an infestation if i forget to spray it weekly as a preventative.

Here’s a look under my MOMF’s skirt for some more of that root porn.

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