South Africans roots

troutman said:

They are even using grow lights. What's wrong with African sunlight?

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Roms said:

Interesting mountainous growings and grade level quality...

Well i think that we can resume Lesotho, Kwazulu and Swazi as a same South African family and quality. Then separated by the British wave.

For the Swazi, Eswatini now, there is also a kind of grade level with the Red and Gold lines, and i would name a third one Swazi Black according its superior potent and dark taste, metallic gunpowder earthy, true poison vibes!

For sure Maha famers there need force to preserve their landrace gem, not easy so, let's be positive and wish them roots vibes and respect!

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TanzanianMagic said:

The standard interpretation after the Human Genome Project is that:

a) The Bushmen/San have the oldest Y-chromosome haplogroup of all living humans, Haplogroup A.

b) The Spencer Wells (Genographic Project) interpretation is that the Bushmen are the oldest population group, that their universal features (Black, Asian, European) are the source of most variability today, and that this is because are closest to the original Homo Sapiens population that left Africa an archaeologically short 60,000 years ago.

Homo Sapiens has been around for 200,000 years, and apparently didn't interbreed with other contemporanious homonids.

It is clear that it is genetic diversity that is the key to adaptability to many different environments in a generalist species like Homo Sapiens.

Remember that racism and scientific racism depend on the Multi-Regional Theory of human evolution, in other words, modern humans arising out of long separated and highly genetically differentiated populations of homonids (Homo Erectus in Africa, Homo Neanderthalensis in Europe, etc.). The Genographic Project drove a stake through the heart of all that.

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The Revolution said:

Chaco, I have some Durban Poison and Swazi seeds. These came from African seeds. These are the same lines that Tropical seed Co are working with

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Roms said:

Ya from different places different qualities i think and the altitude is a big factor, +altitude = +UV = +resin to protect the plant in principle.

About Eswatini/Swazi the Gold line seems to be less sensible to mold that the Red line, probably from different areas, altitude?

Recent field in kingdom of Eswatini, still be illegal but the king himself is growing some... Very rooted in their culture!

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Roms said:

From a physiological and morphological point of view I find that these Khoïsan peoples eyes are slightly slanted, they are also small in stature, skin clearer too. Quite comparable to the peoples of the highlands of Madagascar and some types Indonesian or Papua New Guinea! I think it's interesting to study, a proto historical perspective.

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Genghis Kush said:

I think TanzanianMagics info is outdated.

There have been a lot of changes to the prevailing paradigm since NG started their The Human Genome Project.

Hybridization is becoming the new accepted model:
https://dienekes.blogspot.com/2015/08/rethinking-dispersal-of-homo-sapiens.html

The oldest Y chromosome now comes from West Africa and is 340,000 years old (Haplogroup A00). The oldest anatomically modern human remains are 200,000 years old. It is thought that this lineage comes from the interbreeding of modern humans with archaic humans sometime after 200,000 years ago.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23240-the-father-of-all-men-is-340000-years-old/

The oldest surviving modern male Y chromosome lineage (haplogroup A) also comes from west Africa, around Cameroon, about 150,000 years ago.
The oldest surviving female mitochondrial lineages haplogroups L0, L1 and L5, are also around 150,000 years old and found amongst the Khoi-San people, who at one time occupied all of southern Africa.

--Archaic DNA and archaeological evidence now supports the theory that modern humans left Africa well before 100,000 years ago. All humans outside of Africa are a Hybrid of Neanderthal, Denisovian, and modern Humans. Within Africa, researchers concluded that roughly 2% of the genetic material found in some Sub-Saharan African populations was inserted into the human genome approximately 35,000 years ago from as yet unidentified archaic hominins that broke away from the modern human lineage around 700,000 years ago. The people of Papua have the greatest known quantity of archaic DNA at 10%. 6% of which being Denisovian. While Europeans and Asians average 2-5% total.

"It is clear that it is genetic diversity that is the key to adaptability to many different environments in a generalist species like Homo Sapiens. "

-- I believe that the greatest genetic diversity comes through hybridization. By allowing a species to acquire new traits that create better adaptability to new environments.

"Remember that racism and scientific racism depend on the Multi-Regional Theory of human evolution, in other words, modern humans arising out of long separated and highly genetically differentiated populations of homonids (Homo Erectus in Africa, Homo Neanderthalensis in Europe, etc.). The Genographic Project drove a stake through the heart of all that."

----I think that racism depends on the false idea that our genetic differences constitute "races", and that the genetic differences can be quantified in some way that denotes superiority of one group over another.

Interbreeding of long separated groups is the story of Human evolution.

Humans and Chimps split apart 7million years ago and then cross bread for 2 million years before finally separating for good. This process continued for the next 5 million years. Homo Erectus had left Africa by at least 2 million years ago. Homo Neanderthalensis by 600,000 years ago. Modern Humans left by 100,000 years ago and interbred with them. As Ice ages came and went over the last 100,000 years people became isolated from one another and than reconnected with each other over and over. Long periods of isolation led to the different 'looks', that people refer to as "races". In our present age people are mixing to a great extent and will eventually erase old ideas of "race".
sorry for the rant..

Aloha
GK

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Genghis Kush said:

I think TanzanianMagics info is outdated.

There have been a lot of changes to the prevailing paradigm since NG started their The Human Genome Project.

Hybridization is becoming the new accepted model:
https://dienekes.blogspot.com/2015/08/rethinking-dispersal-of-homo-sapiens.html

The oldest Y chromosome now comes from West Africa and is 340,000 years old (Haplogroup A00). The oldest anatomically modern human remains are 200,000 years old. It is thought that this lineage comes from the interbreeding of modern humans with archaic humans sometime after 200,000 years ago.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23240-the-father-of-all-men-is-340000-years-old/

The oldest surviving modern male Y chromosome lineage (haplogroup A) also comes from west Africa, around Cameroon, about 150,000 years ago.
The oldest surviving female mitochondrial lineages haplogroups L0, L1 and L5, are also around 150,000 years old and found amongst the Khoi-San people, who at one time occupied all of southern Africa.

--Archaic DNA and archaeological evidence now supports the theory that modern humans left Africa well before 100,000 years ago. All humans outside of Africa are a Hybrid of Neanderthal, Denisovian, and modern Humans. Within Africa, researchers concluded that roughly 2% of the genetic material found in some Sub-Saharan African populations was inserted into the human genome approximately 35,000 years ago from as yet unidentified archaic hominins that broke away from the modern human lineage around 700,000 years ago. The people of Papua have the greatest known quantity of archaic DNA at 10%. 6% of which being Denisovian. While Europeans and Asians average 2-5% total.

"It is clear that it is genetic diversity that is the key to adaptability to many different environments in a generalist species like Homo Sapiens. "

-- I believe that the greatest genetic diversity comes through hybridization. By allowing a species to acquire new traits that create better adaptability to new environments.

"Remember that racism and scientific racism depend on the Multi-Regional Theory of human evolution, in other words, modern humans arising out of long separated and highly genetically differentiated populations of homonids (Homo Erectus in Africa, Homo Neanderthalensis in Europe, etc.). The Genographic Project drove a stake through the heart of all that."

----I think that racism depends on the false idea that our genetic differences constitute "races", and that the genetic differences can be quantified in some way that denotes superiority of one group over another.

Interbreeding of long separated groups is the story of Human evolution.

Humans and Chimps split apart 7million years ago and then cross bread for 2 million years before finally separating for good. This process continued for the next 5 million years. Homo Erectus had left Africa by at least 2 million years ago. Homo Neanderthalensis by 600,000 years ago. Modern Humans left by 100,000 years ago and interbred with them. As Ice ages came and went over the last 100,000 years people became isolated from one another and than reconnected with each other over and over. Long periods of isolation led to the different 'looks', that people refer to as "races". In our present age people are mixing to a great extent and will eventually erase old ideas of "race".
sorry for the rant..

Aloha
GK

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Durban Poison'70, at least, was selected in South Africa by African herbman, and sent to Tropical Seeds Company in Spain to be more "worked"...

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lowridersa said:

I have been following DP for a couple decades and written a few pages about, hopefully published oneday. I have reference material of the collectors of Durban Poison. The first guy was Mel Frank who took DP to America and then over to Amsterdam with the likes of skunk strains. I think this was the start of Durban we know today, which I am sure has been hybridized since. Afropips ( Maljim) was also a breeder and collector or african landraces, his breeding collection has since been stolen. DP has also been listed on Phylos as one of the top 10% rarest strains regarding its cannabinoid profiles, you can see the details on Phylos Galaxy.

Just came back from Trankskei, sadly not much local landrace is being grown there anymore. This tunnel was filled with european genetics. Still a beautiful spot and lovely place to grow.

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This picture is from the Valley of a Thousand Hills in Kwazulu Natal, where DP originates from. These specific plants have been grown for decades and self seed themselves. They are also sativa dominant and produce large quantities of airy limegreen buds.

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Great topic ROMS.

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lowridersa said:

Ah yes. Here is one hell of a Lesotho. Iam heading to Lesotho in the next couple months to see a client and thier facilities. Will take pictures and upload, lovely earthy smoke, but mostly people here dont enjoy the smoke, but love the high.

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Found on SoftSecrets to, I added it when I consulted for them last year.

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just don't get good jut anymore especially in cape Town

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lowridersa said:

Closest you will get is badly grown cheese.

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lowridersa said:

It was a lovely plant, no problems with insects, mold, fairly good small buds. I have always enjoyed the smoke.

Closest you will get is badly grown cheese.

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