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Old 02-06-2016, 09:31 PM #41
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Ir are a little confused on that snail as well....
that snail peels right open.

easy to roll away in the corner for cleanup
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make more sense, but why is your reflector black?
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Hej there. It seems it's been a couple of days without an answer... an obvious one what you see in the picture is the outside of the reflector, which is reflective inside and black outside otherwise he'd have to roll it the opposite way around.

Anyway, this makes me think of a cool microgrow project: why not equipping that snail with an upper lid with extraction and possibly an hangin' humidifier? Might it work with a smaller bulb? Invention time baby!
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Old 02-24-2016, 03:11 AM #44
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Okee dokee - Im pulling into the final week of my flower and just ordered the light mover. Im thinking of expanding too. the wifey said i could build out my room by 16 more sqft. Im of the belief 40sqft is better than 24. I also have a hunch my 3 600w will do great in this setup. Im prolly not gonna like the xtra work of daily training or what not, but if i can start getting closer to a gpw , ill be better off than where i am at now.

Im also a little nervous about being an organic guy, what with all the hydro genius' doing this. I kinda didnt think this would be an issue , but in my research, I havent found many others doing this in soil.

I think itll work tho , and itll be a great time to learn more techniques. I did a lil experiment a few weeks back. I popped 5 little 12" clones i had laying around into flower, in .75gl pots. kinda just to see what would happen and kinda to have a lil smoke in between this batch and the upcoming vertical experiement. They are looking a little weird but not unmageable,and they seem to like the fish sauce more than anything, teas or topdressings, they like "meh?" One kool thing is my buddy found a seed in his stash of girl scout cookies, so i chucked it and got a girl, go figz.. Im gonna say , she sure looks like a gsc in structure so far. shes really frosty as well, compared to my existing stock.

Anyways, we are just about ready to start this thread up, so Ihope you guys stick around for the show.
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Old 02-24-2016, 07:41 AM #45
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I'll post pics of my stacked or staggered bulb rooms, that is what I do for long narrow but tall.

Basically the idea is to get a maximum surface area per light, so the extra floor space wouldn't ensure extra yield with the same light, but would make it way easier.

I would use tall narrow pots like 7gal buckets and do a row down each side, probably 5 plants a side for 10', and one at each end then some little guys on the floor that get moved in and out as a bonus. If it where me I'd probably hang my fist light 2.5' from wall and 2' from ceiling, next light another 2.5' but 3' from ceiling, and final light 2.5' from middle light/back wall and 2' from ceiling again. Rather that mesh I would run 2-3 lines the length of the room on either side about 18-24" apart at bulb heights to stop burn(stakes in end plants) and just tuck in branches that could burn.

The biggest single factor other that avoiding full death scenarios is turning the plants a quarter turn every day or 2. This will seriously up yield at least 30% when light is vertical and only hits plants from limited angles. The mesh with catch more buds and break more branches. Some strains might do well to be shaped like hedging cedar to avoid long branches getting tangled.

Good luck and fill it IMO, I'd veg half and cut half every month if your veg can handle half in full size pots.... But I guess you know how my mind works,lol.
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Hey Boyd, let me address the organic topic a moment with ya. Don't worry about going organic n vert, its fine. The main difference is the organic people will speak to a healthier tastier product. while I like organic, there are a lot of misconceptions about quality vs chem nutes imo. The chem people will speak to speed of growth, which I believe to be undeniable. So all ur really giving up is speed of growth. Probably a little bit on max potential yield, mainly due to speed of growth too.

Now all due respect to rykus for sharing, but I disagree with his turning the plant suggestion. Ive done this experiment n seen several very successful growers speak on the subject. All the ones I follow n my own experience tell me that its better to prune branches that don't come into the canopy sweet spot instead of rotating the plant. Rotating the plant just spreads the weight more evenly, instead of just leaving it where it sits, n getting bigger buds on the branches in the sweet spot.

Rykus, when growing vert from a single horizontal bulb placement, where the light source only hits 180 degrees of the plant, I suggest trying to prune the branches that grow on the opposite side of the light source instead of rotating the plant. If u can bring a sturdy desirable branch from the back to the front in the canopy by bending n replacing/pruning out a weak branch already in front, that's desirable too. Otherwise if u prune out all the branches that don't get good light, the plant will focus that energy into the branches in the sweet spot, n u will gain that 20 to 30% that u were talking about without ever turning the plant, n have larger buds with less trimming to do, than when ur rotating the plant.
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Sounds good in theory my friend and for a long while I did agree, but after side by side experiments running almost 200 lights over 7 houses I can assure you the work load is higher and yield is lower to properly strip and arrange branches....

If you start early and also bend the branches down instead of stripping you will save time and money and increase yield.

I call it fluffing, but I turn 90* (180 gives you 2 dead zones) then pull all the branches down and out to light.

You can look at some of my other posts if your not sure if I'm full of shit but like most of us, in my mind I'm not,lol.

Getting great growth and yield with full organics right now.... Usually recommend both but the full meal deal is working wonders for me right now too, reusing dirt is making me happy!
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Old 02-24-2016, 04:44 PM #48
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Sounds good in theory my friend and for a long while I did agree, but after side by side experiments running almost 200 lights over 7 houses I can assure you the work load is higher and yield is lower to properly strip and arrange branches....

If you start early and also bend the branches down instead of stripping you will save time and money and increase yield.

I call it fluffing, but I turn 90* (180 gives you 2 dead zones) then pull all the branches down and out to light.

You can look at some of my other posts if your not sure if I'm full of shit but like most of us, in my mind I'm not,lol.
I believe ur experiences. theres more than one way to grow successfully. I still find that pruning is easier than rotating every couple days. But im glad u found a way that works for ya. Sounds like u do a lot of turning.

Maybe running that many lights makes it easier on the workload vs proper pruning of that many lights. Ive yet to try that much light, so I might chose the easier to manage way too. I haven't seen anybody hit the kind of yields though doing the turning vs pruning methods.
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Ill also add that what I think we are coming down to here is the difference in growing large vs growing medium/small weight. when growing large it becomes about net dollars made per year. So yield per crop becomes less important than number of crops. Whatever adds up to more profit in a given year. When dealing with limited plant counts, or energy consumption, then extra time in pruning might be more beneficial.

Last post by me on this subject, sorry for the side track boyd.
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Ok so im already organic - i know 2 of my strains but i havent flowered the other two - gg4 and a gg4xxx & i do know the gg4 is gonna stretch a bit .

I was trying to move away from stadalone plants and put some fencing along the walls to support my leggy girls. my width is only 4 ft. im using ten gl pots so ill have room for maybe 8-14 if i went that way. so just getting around the pots is 16" of space if i line the walls. one of my strains will get 6+' tall free standing

so since 2 of my bulbs will be on the rail and moving up and down 3' or so i figured the sucker shit i usually trim off will produce buds i usually toss out

this will be fun i think , and hopefully ill have help along the way from you guys

rykus, could you drop some pics on me with some examples?
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