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NYCD Soma cut & Amnesia Haze Core
- Thread starter Locoporro
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Hello everybody 
Very nice thread, thanks to Loco for this great discussion !
I smoked some very excellent Amnesia in Dutch coffeeshops around 2000/2001, before Soma's Amnesia Haze (released in 2003).
This Amnesia taste was very potent, both sweet and spicy, and the potency was well balanced between the high and the stone.
The nugs were very compact and resinous, not fluffy at all.
I talked to the breeder of Hy Pro, who claimed to be the original creator of the Amnesia.
He said the Amnesia original is a cross between an afghani female, and a Neville's Haze male. What do you think about that ?
Maybe Soma used a clone of this original Amnesia, and crossed it to his G13/Haze male ?
I do not like Soma's Amnesia Haze, the taste is very less potent than the original Amnesia, and this strain is very sativa, with very fluffy buds.
I'd like to find an Amnesia as excellent as this one I smoked in the past....
I tried Core/Moppel Cut, I liked it, but his taste is less potent than original Amnesia, too. This plant takes long time to flower, and her yield is poor.
A good friend tried this Core/Moppel cut too, he had a very nice yield with big fat buds, but the Amnesia taste was not there at all ! The taste was not nice at all, very ordinary. At home the yield of this cut was very poor, but the Amnesia taste was well present ! It is very strange...
About A5/Haze and C5/Haze, I think they are some clones of NL#5/Haze "A".
Neville and Shanti did a big selection on 1000 plants of NL5/Haze"A" in outdoor, they choosed the mother of the SSH, and the mother of the Mango Haze, but it is not impossible they found some others females which were very nice to smoke but not to use in breeding, and these others females were labelled A5/Haze, C5/Haze etc ?
Best vibes to all of you, there are a lot of nice people here
Marcel
ps :
Very nice thread, thanks to Loco for this great discussion !
I smoked some very excellent Amnesia in Dutch coffeeshops around 2000/2001, before Soma's Amnesia Haze (released in 2003).
This Amnesia taste was very potent, both sweet and spicy, and the potency was well balanced between the high and the stone.
The nugs were very compact and resinous, not fluffy at all.
I talked to the breeder of Hy Pro, who claimed to be the original creator of the Amnesia.
He said the Amnesia original is a cross between an afghani female, and a Neville's Haze male. What do you think about that ?
Maybe Soma used a clone of this original Amnesia, and crossed it to his G13/Haze male ?
I do not like Soma's Amnesia Haze, the taste is very less potent than the original Amnesia, and this strain is very sativa, with very fluffy buds.
I'd like to find an Amnesia as excellent as this one I smoked in the past....
I tried Core/Moppel Cut, I liked it, but his taste is less potent than original Amnesia, too. This plant takes long time to flower, and her yield is poor.
A good friend tried this Core/Moppel cut too, he had a very nice yield with big fat buds, but the Amnesia taste was not there at all ! The taste was not nice at all, very ordinary. At home the yield of this cut was very poor, but the Amnesia taste was well present ! It is very strange...
About A5/Haze and C5/Haze, I think they are some clones of NL#5/Haze "A".
Neville and Shanti did a big selection on 1000 plants of NL5/Haze"A" in outdoor, they choosed the mother of the SSH, and the mother of the Mango Haze, but it is not impossible they found some others females which were very nice to smoke but not to use in breeding, and these others females were labelled A5/Haze, C5/Haze etc ?
Best vibes to all of you, there are a lot of nice people here
Marcel
ps :
In fact Th Seeds used G13/skunk from MNS to cross with OG Kush, so the MK Ultra is (Og Kush X ((G13 X Skunk#1) X Skunk#1)
W
weshjo
hi all
happy to see your here loco elMarcel!
your first post is very instructive and similar to my experience with the amnesia,smoke this few year ago,amazing taste and high!
i've smoke a5 at the wall street coffee shop and it's a very good cut,
more compact bud but always this wonderful haze taste
I need to grow my ssh beans ASAP
peace
weshjo
happy to see your here loco elMarcel!
your first post is very instructive and similar to my experience with the amnesia,smoke this few year ago,amazing taste and high!
i've smoke a5 at the wall street coffee shop and it's a very good cut,
more compact bud but always this wonderful haze taste
I need to grow my ssh beans ASAP
peace
weshjo
post from zeno dec. 08
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=88024&page=6
he said the same as i!!! Somas Amnesia Haze is the AH cut x G13HazeMale......he just crossed the Haze to da Amnesia...thats also why soma NEVER offered a AHxG13Haze.....:jawdrop:
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elMarcel...maybe he mixed up his notes, or the dog ate them, and he had to
remember using his memory but he just toked on some Amnesia hash, and
simply forgot which plants/cuts he actually used
remember using his memory but he just toked on some Amnesia hash, and
simply forgot which plants/cuts he actually used
A
alpinestar
soma's amnesia haze is a cross of god knows what. g13 haze cross? a Cambodian and random haze cross? who knows - id guess g13haze cross, considering amnesia haze is not included as one of the strains that is offered as being crossed to the g13haze
Id bet soma's is his afghan hawaiian crossed to g13 haze then backcrossed to g13haze again, and he may fear (or feel it unnecessary) crossing with the g13/haze male again
the bud labeled amnesia in coffeeshops is supposedly a really good ssh cut (not amnesia haze)
sometimes people then call this stuff amnesia haze
of course it wouldnt surprise me if soma's amnesia haze were labeled just "amnesia" at some places
Id bet soma's is his afghan hawaiian crossed to g13 haze then backcrossed to g13haze again, and he may fear (or feel it unnecessary) crossing with the g13/haze male again
the bud labeled amnesia in coffeeshops is supposedly a really good ssh cut (not amnesia haze)
sometimes people then call this stuff amnesia haze
of course it wouldnt surprise me if soma's amnesia haze were labeled just "amnesia" at some places
Well, I've bought some "Amnesia" at the Toermalijn in Tilburg (NL Zuid Brabant) yesterday evening, just to be sure... I haven't smoked the Core cut since augustus this year, but I have a very strong feeling it's indeed the same weed. The one from Tilburg has the same appearance, that very hazy/amnesia/lemony smell, and damn, the same devastatingly potent high (pardon my fuzzy head, just woke up @ 4PM )
In conclusion, I don't know about the other provincies in NL, but in Tilburg they are clearly running the same SSH cut that we know as the Core cut !
PS: About Soma... While I love his NYCD, he's most definitely an opportunist and has nothing to do with the "real" Amnesia. (did he even breed the NYCD ???)
When you know Soma's first job was at IBM, you can understand a few things, like his mastering of marketing and sales techniques... Selling seeds with dreads at 125€/10 under cover of religion ? Absolutely brilliant !!!
)In conclusion, I don't know about the other provincies in NL, but in Tilburg they are clearly running the same SSH cut that we know as the Core cut !
PS: About Soma... While I love his NYCD, he's most definitely an opportunist and has nothing to do with the "real" Amnesia. (did he even breed the NYCD ???)
When you know Soma's first job was at IBM, you can understand a few things, like his mastering of marketing and sales techniques... Selling seeds with dreads at 125€/10 under cover of religion ? Absolutely brilliant !!!
Soma is a smart guy.
90% of cannabis breeding as practised in the recent dutch scene is crossing a proven, known male to a variety of well-known popular cuts and selling the seeds with exotic names and prices.
Soma is a classic example of this. He arrived in the mid 90s, brought a few skunk clones from the PNW/Canada with him and met Shantibaba. Talked about starting a seedbank so shanti gave him a good male to use to get him started - the Afghan/Hawaiian. Now, this is manna from the gods to a breeder and soma is smart enough to realise all he has to do is to cross this male selected from a large number of plants by one of the very few guys doing proper breeding with original genes to the best female cuts he has and sell the seeds for top dollar.
NYCD is an example of this - soma crossed the afghan/hawaiian male to a bagseed female from some buds from NY, possibly ecsd or original diesel/headband.
Then soma found another male,the g13/haze. Ed Rosenthal gave him a pack of old seeds and only one sprouted, it was a male. NL5/Haze is a key part of SSH, Mango Haze, Jack Herer, Neville's Haze, many others. Soma realised he had a half-brother to the nl/haze and with a bit of luck, it would prove to be as awesome a breeding tool as the nl/haze.
So he crossed it to all his best females and sold the seeds for even higher prices.
Yes, soma is an opportunist, he was handed a big opportunity by shantibaba and took it. Soma is a smart guy, he understands marketing and image, but I wouldn't call him a breeder, he's just a smart businessman who took the work of others and commercialised it for big profits. Always remember, the guys in the amsterdam scene like soma, arjan, derry etc are crafty businessmen, they love money. Those who loved weed like wernard and shanti got out when they saw the writing on the wall ten years ago.
All this about old ssh cuts from work neville did 20 years ago, sheesh! Surely it's time for some new genetics?
90% of cannabis breeding as practised in the recent dutch scene is crossing a proven, known male to a variety of well-known popular cuts and selling the seeds with exotic names and prices.
Soma is a classic example of this. He arrived in the mid 90s, brought a few skunk clones from the PNW/Canada with him and met Shantibaba. Talked about starting a seedbank so shanti gave him a good male to use to get him started - the Afghan/Hawaiian. Now, this is manna from the gods to a breeder and soma is smart enough to realise all he has to do is to cross this male selected from a large number of plants by one of the very few guys doing proper breeding with original genes to the best female cuts he has and sell the seeds for top dollar.
NYCD is an example of this - soma crossed the afghan/hawaiian male to a bagseed female from some buds from NY, possibly ecsd or original diesel/headband.
Then soma found another male,the g13/haze. Ed Rosenthal gave him a pack of old seeds and only one sprouted, it was a male. NL5/Haze is a key part of SSH, Mango Haze, Jack Herer, Neville's Haze, many others. Soma realised he had a half-brother to the nl/haze and with a bit of luck, it would prove to be as awesome a breeding tool as the nl/haze.
So he crossed it to all his best females and sold the seeds for even higher prices.
Yes, soma is an opportunist, he was handed a big opportunity by shantibaba and took it. Soma is a smart guy, he understands marketing and image, but I wouldn't call him a breeder, he's just a smart businessman who took the work of others and commercialised it for big profits. Always remember, the guys in the amsterdam scene like soma, arjan, derry etc are crafty businessmen, they love money. Those who loved weed like wernard and shanti got out when they saw the writing on the wall ten years ago.
All this about old ssh cuts from work neville did 20 years ago, sheesh! Surely it's time for some new genetics?
Blimey! That was a revealing read....I thought Coffeeshop 'AmnesiaHaze' was close to SSH when I've smoked it in Holland so kinda assumed it was a cross of SSH...But didn't know it was just a pheno of SSH bagseed from GH. What a find that was! I prefered the Amnesia Karma has to the coffeeshop examples by a mile...but that might have a lot to do with how well he grows her also! Thanx 4 sharing ICers...JBo ;]
Yea...
amc98
Active member
Hi everyone!!
Nice thread Locoporro!!!
I´ve been growing for several years what we here in Barcelona call the NYCD Soma´s mandarina cut. As far as I know, there are 3 different NYCD cuts. This is supposed to come from Soma´s hands, but lately I´ve heard rumors
that say that the mandarina cut comes from a selection of a popular BCN growshop, from Soma´s genetics.
I´m affraid I can´t give any more info, but I´m getting real curious about this issue. I think next week I´ll take some NYCD buds and I´ll go and talk to the guy at the growshop. Maybe some light shows up.
This is the cut we´re growing (picture from Jahman). Must say it shows more foxtailed buds when harvested:
By the way, talking about hermaphroditic traits in the mandarina cut:
Hope to give you more info soon!!!
Saludos!!!
p.s. This amnesia cut is really strange :jawdrop:, no comparision with the Hy-pro´s Amnesia Haze Cordoba cut that we love so much...
Nice thread Locoporro!!!
I´ve been growing for several years what we here in Barcelona call the NYCD Soma´s mandarina cut. As far as I know, there are 3 different NYCD cuts. This is supposed to come from Soma´s hands, but lately I´ve heard rumors
that say that the mandarina cut comes from a selection of a popular BCN growshop, from Soma´s genetics.I´m affraid I can´t give any more info, but I´m getting real curious about this issue. I think next week I´ll take some NYCD buds and I´ll go and talk to the guy at the growshop. Maybe some light shows up.
This is the cut we´re growing (picture from Jahman). Must say it shows more foxtailed buds when harvested:
By the way, talking about hermaphroditic traits in the mandarina cut:
Hope to give you more info soon!!!
Saludos!!!
p.s. This amnesia cut is really strange :jawdrop:, no comparision with the Hy-pro´s Amnesia Haze Cordoba cut that we love so much...
Nice roundup, indifferent ! That's the way I see things too... Though I must admit Soma has had some lucky combinations, like the NYCD for example. Real breeding or not, the strain really is special.
Meanwhile, as this is a flower pix thread
Here is a pix taken today @ 54 days of 12/12.
NYCD "Soma cut" (the same as Locoporro) at the left, Core cut at the right :
Meanwhile, as this is a flower pix thread
Here is a pix taken today @ 54 days of 12/12.
NYCD "Soma cut" (the same as Locoporro) at the left, Core cut at the right :
MotherNatureMan
Member
@amc98: the NYCD is jaw-dropping indeed.
Well, after a couple Sour D bowls and reading this thread, my brain is done. Everything was very informational and I learned a few things about certain breeders I didn't know.
Now my question is: Which breeders amnesia haze seeds on the market are the closest to original or is original? Hy-pro seems like the answer but I'm just a lil too high to be sure after all the information overload. I wanna get some amnesia seeds...I just don't know who's is the real one or the one I want.
Now my question is: Which breeders amnesia haze seeds on the market are the closest to original or is original? Hy-pro seems like the answer but I'm just a lil too high to be sure after all the information overload. I wanna get some amnesia seeds...I just don't know who's is the real one or the one I want.
Easy : Mr.Nice Super Silver Haze
well of course you're right sillycone... if you want the original you must find it in SSH again... but to be fair it wont be as easy
in order to find the specific homogenized traits of the amnesia with more ease though, your best bet is probably hypro
thats just my opinion though man, I never grew Somas' version
EDIT - although hats off to sillycone.. because.. your money would probably be better spent on MNS SSH as then you might find a heap of other awesome phenos too...
in order to find the specific homogenized traits of the amnesia with more ease though, your best bet is probably hypro
thats just my opinion though man, I never grew Somas' version
EDIT - although hats off to sillycone.. because.. your money would probably be better spent on MNS SSH as then you might find a heap of other awesome phenos too...
