What's new
  • Happy Birthday ICMag! Been 20 years since Gypsy Nirvana created the forum! We are celebrating with a 4/20 Giveaway and by launching a new Patreon tier called "420club". You can read more here.
  • Important notice: ICMag's T.O.U. has been updated. Please review it here. For your convenience, it is also available in the main forum menu, under 'Quick Links"!

USA strikes Syria again

Tudo

Troublemaker
Moderator
ICMag Donor
Veteran
There was no chemical attack by Syria.




That said, how many deaths/casualties from all those cruise missiles??


Methinks 2 birds were hit with one stone here.
 

Grandpapy

New member
Where's the like button?

4000 Americans died, in order sell $60 Iraq oil to china @ $2 bbl.
Perhaps Exxon is doing us a favor by not insisting on Diplomats in Africa?

They (opec) are already calling for a 15% increase based on global supplies before the regular summer increase or weather outlook.

Sadly, we Americans forgot how fast we dropped to knees during the 70's.
 
M

moose eater

BP's net -profit- is $2/bbl., as a contractor, not as an operator, for the oil leaving the Ramallah Oil Fields Saddam had booted them out of.

I suspect the Chinese are paying much more.
 

Grandpapy

New member
BP's net -profit- is $2/bbl., as a contractor, not as an operator, for the oil leaving the Ramallah Oil Fields Saddam had booted them out of.

I suspect the Chinese are paying much more.

But, but, but, war! of profits!

BP just like the American Public and world at large paid an entrance fee.

Exxon and China Partnered up in saying fighting was wrong and wont pay for it but will enjoy the spoils, and do everyday.

I find it odd Tillerson didn't protest the importance of an alliance with Africa or at least a few diplomats to represent the Oil Industry. You know, for American security.
 
M

moose eater

Yep. Totally agree.

Many people said we didn't go after Saddam in re. to oil, as the U.S. was not the recipient of that Iraqi oil.

What they failed to understand or acknowledge was the U.S. government's relationship with the major producers, in general... no matter WHERE a given tanker of oil is headed to.

That was why I wrote a number of comments back that who was receiving the oil wasn't always as important as who owns it, or who is shipping it.

Saddam had rightfully booted BP, as the egg-sucking opportunistic, lying, thieving vultures they really are. (*I say that from experience in the North).

We oust Saddam, and BP's right back where they were with limited overhead and risk, collecting a shit-ton of money as a somewhat insulated contractor. (Exported/produced oil, beyond base line per contract, x's $2/bbl, makes for some nice parties, bonuses for CEOs, and checks to shareholders.

Some people are willing to accept blood for resources as a matter of course. For them, karma may bite harder one day than they anticipated enduring.

As Charlie Parr (a former legislator up here, now deceased, for whom I had some degree of respect) used to say, "Money makes the mayor/mare go."
 

Jellyfish

Invertebrata Inebriata
Veteran
420giveaway
I was already boycotting BP since their oil spill in the Gulf Of Mexico, so now I have reason to boycott the shit out of them even more. Not that the other oil companies are much better.
 

troutman

Seed Whore
Claiming any weapon of mass destruction was used when it clearly hasn't which resulted
in military action against innocent people or countries should be grounds for an immediate
death penalty to all the guilty.

Such accusations are not a joking matter and can cause mayhem for everybody.

Think about it. WW3 could be caused by oil and land grabbing balloonheads in this case.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

Recalcitrant Reprobate -
Administrator
Veteran
Who really makes US foreign policy decisions?...Is it the President, or some other tool of 'The Deep State' like ' The CFR?'


'Established in 1921 as a private, bipartisan organization to “awaken America to its worldwide responsibilities”, the CFR and its close to 5000 elite members have for decades shaped U.S. foreign policy and public discourse about it. As one Council member famously explained, the goal has indeed been to establish a global Empire, albeit a “benevolent” one.'

https://cfrmedia.wordpress.com/

Trump is one of the few prez's who are not connected to the cfr.
The other one who stood in their way was JFK...

Largely unbeknownst to the general public, many top journalists and executives of almost all major US news outlets have long been members of the influential Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Based on official membership rosters, the following illustration for the first time depicts the extensive media network of the CFR and its two main international affiliate organizations: the Bilderberg Group (covering mainly the U.S. and Europe) and the Trilateral Commission (covering North America, Europe and East Asia), both established by Council leaders to foster elite cooperation at the international level.
 

Spaventa

...
Veteran
I heard Nancy Pelosi made over $100million since 2013 or something.
Clintons who are said to be billionaires or close after being in the highest offices in the US.
Follow the money isn’t that hard a concept is it? ...back to Soros and the like. That is who controls US foreign policy.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

Recalcitrant Reprobate -
Administrator
Veteran
:laughing:

You're closer than me. Go visit London, ask for a Mr. Rothschields. :peek:

An excerpt from Jim Tucker’s Bilderberg Diary…
The Bilderberg group is an organization of political leaders and international financiers that meets secretly every spring to make global policy. There are about 110 regulars—Rockefellers, Rothschilds, bankers, heads of international corporations and high government officials from Europe and North America.

Each year, a few new people are invited and, if found useful, they return to future meetings. If not, they are discarded. Decisions reached at these secret meetings affect every American and much of the world.

This book examines the history and actions of the secret group that calls itself Bilderberg and the efforts of one courageous reporter—James P. Tucker, Jr., who has been trailing Bilderberg for nearly 40 years—to focus the spotlight on the actions of what many have called “the world’s shadow government.”

Bilderberg: Its Long & Secret History
The roots of Bilderberg go back centuries, when international moneychangers would secretly manipulate the economy to enrich themselves and enslave ordinary people. The Rothschilds of Britain and Europe have met secretly with other financiers for centuries, as did the Rockefellers of America. In the beginning, the Rothschilds were “Red Shields” because of the ornament on their door and the Rockefellers of Germany were “Rye Fields” because of their crops.

One of the most significant such meetings took place in the spring of 1908, led by Sen. Nelson Aldrich of Rhode Island, whose family married into the Rockefeller clan, accounting for the late Gov. Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller’s given name. It was held on Jekyll Island off the Georgia coast. The late B.C. Forbes, editor of Forbes magazine, reported what transpired at this meeting of the world’s wealthy.

With Aldrich were Henry Davidson, of J.P. Morgan and Co.; Frank Vanderlip, president of the National City Bank; Paul Warburg, of Kuhn Loeb and Co., and A. Piatt Andrew, assistant secretary of the treasury. They emerged from this secret meeting with a plan for “a scientific currency system for the United States.” They had the power to pressure Congress into establishing the Federal Reserve Board, a private group of bankers who meet to shape the money supply.

But in 1954, the international financiers decided that the world had become so small, and their interests intersected so often, that they must have regular, annual meetings. That year, they met at the Bilderberg Hotel in Holland, and took the name “Bilderberg” for themselves. They have met behind sealed-off walls and armed guards at plush resorts ever since. Secrecy prevailed briefly, until the late journalist, Westbrook Pegler, exposed Bilderberg in 1957. However, Chatham House rules have remained in effect, whereby meetings are held privately and attendees are prohibited from talking on the record about what transpired.

Pegler devoted two of his nationally syndicated columns to Bilderberg in April 1957, although he did not know the group’s name.

Pegler wrote:
“Something very mysterious is going on when a strange assortment of 67 self-qualified, polyglot designers and arbiters of the economic and political fate of our western world go into a secret huddle on an island off Brunswick, Ga., and not a word gets into the popular press beyond a little, routine AP story.”

Pegler reported that Ralph McGill, the late editor of The Atlanta Constitution and Arthur Hayes Sulzberger, publisher of The New York Times, had attended on their promise of secrecy. Since, the publisher and associate editor of The Washington Post, Donald Graham and Jimmy Lee Hoagland, respectively, have been regular participants. All network news channels have attended these meetings. All promise to abide by the rule of secrecy.

Bilderberg, which typically meets at a luxury resort near a small town, provides a short “press release” to the local paper—preferably a weekly. It is designed to reassure natives as armed guards arrive, motorcades roar by, yachts dock and helicopters land, delivering unidentified people behind closed-off walls. The “press release” is the same each year; only the site and dates are updated. It says individuals will meet privately to do nothing for three days. Otherwise, they try to impose a complete blackout.

The blackout is virtually complete in the United States. When giant newspapers and broadcast outlets say they do not want the word “Bilderberg” to appear, the pressure on Associated Press is obvious; they are the biggest customers, paying far more than a small-circulation local paper. Small-city papers depend on AP for all out-of-town news, even for their state legislative coverage. They run hard to stay ahead of the city council and high school football team. Unless informed directly, they have no knowledge that Bilderberg exists.

While Bilderberg denies its meetings are significant, the record proves otherwise. The now-defunct Spotlight wrote advance stories on the end of the Cold War, the downfall of Margaret Thatcher as prime minister of Britain and of President George Bush the Elder’s breaking of his pledge to not raise taxes based on what transpired among Bilderbergers. More recently, while the mainstream media in 2002 was asserting that the invasion of Iraq would come by late summer or early fall, AMERICAN FREE PRESS reported that there would be no aggression until 2003. The war began in March 2003. Learning what transpires at Bilderberg can provide a glimpse of what the future holds.
 

Gypsy Nirvana

Recalcitrant Reprobate -
Administrator
Veteran
Bilderberg: Conspiracy ‘Theory’ or Fact?

When international financiers, heads of state and high government officials are exposed conducting public business in secret, they whimper about “conspiracy theories.” But I will soon provide you with names and telephone numbers you can check yourself. Challenge these Bilderberg conspirators to deny that:

• They meet at a secret location each spring, normally in late May or early June. Their exclusive resort will be sealed off at high noon on the Wednesday before Bilderberg starts meeting on Thursday through Sunday. The resort will be emptied of all non-Bilderberg people. Armed guards will seal off the resort to prevent anyone from approaching.

• All Bilderberg participants and their staff people, as well as all of the resort personnel, are sworn to secrecy. They will report nothing. Collaborating newspapers, including The Washington Post, The New York Times and Los Angeles Times, will report nothing. They keep their vows of silence so fervently they allow their own newspapers to be factually wrong rather than risk exposing Bilderberg. Participants will deny that Bilderberg even exists. You will almost never read the word “Bilderberg” in these newspapers or hear it on national network news, which have all participated in vows of secrecy. (Because of extensive coverage in Europe in recent years, The New York Times published a “humor” commentary after the 2004 meeting in Stresa, Italy, denouncing “conspiracy” theories.)
Chasing Bilderberg for 37 years has been the most exciting assignment of my lifetime newspaper career, the first 20 years of which were in the mainstream press. I had held some high positions—night editor of the now-defunct Washington Daily News, editor of the Martinsville, Va. Bulletin, copy editor at the Richmond, Va. Times-Dispatch and, finally, assistant news editor of the Akron, Ohio Beacon-Journal.

So a moment that came in the spring of 1975 is forever photographed in my mind. I was being interviewed by Willis Carto for the job of starting a newspaper to be called The Spotlight. Carto was officially “treasurer” of Liberty Lobby but he was more than that. He was Liberty Lobby, having founded the populist institution in 1955.

He asked me what I thought of Bilderberg. I had never heard of Bilderberg. He gave me a brief oral summary and a lot of Liberty Lobby’s research material to examine. The materials contained not only the institution’s newsletters—Liberty Letter monthly and Liberty Lowdown —but also copies of the columns of the late, great newspaperman, Westbrook Pegler, who had first observed these mysterious meetings from afar and written about them in the 1950s.

I was dumbfounded. How could I have spent my adult life with Associated Press, United Press International and other newswires ticking at my ear, and serve on newspapers with far-flung staffs across the globe and not know of these characters? The Daily News had been a Scripps-Howard newspaper; its headquarters on the same 3rd floor as the News’s staff. Scripps-Howard covered the world. I edited its copy for the News and had much communication with the Washington staff of Scripps-Howard.
And that was the year—1975—that started my career as the only reporter who, for nearly four decades now, has worked earnestly to hound this secret meeting of the world’s most powerful businessmen, powerbrokers and politicians and expose it to the light of public scrutiny.

I soon learned that Bilderberg had recruited the media moguls into its secret conspiracy and dictated an absolute blackout in the United States. There was much Spotlight-generated and now AMERICAN FREE PRESS-generated Bilderberg publicity in Europe, but the near total blackout in the United States persists.

Bilderberg is a powerful assembly of the world’s leading financiers, industrialists and political operatives. It includes such internationalists as banker David Rockefeller, heads of state in Europe and high officials of the U.S. government—White House, Defense, State, Congress and others. Past U.S. presidents—Bill Clinton and Gerald Ford—have attended Bilderberg. But a sitting president cannot because White House paperboys are given his complete schedule each day—the size of a paperback novel, accounting for every minute. Even his schedule on “working vacations”—the only kind a president takes—is provided. There is no way a president can disappear for three days without accounting for himself and if a sitting president attended Bilderberg, even the controlled media would be hard-pressed to explain away the president’s absence from the limelight, hidden behind the locked gates of the Bilderberg meeting.

High officials of The Washington Post, The New York Times, and Los Angeles Times and of all three major networks have attended Bilderberg many times, on the promise of secrecy, to report nothing and to not use the word “Bilderberg.” Except for some minor, inconsequential accidents in which the word “Bilderberg” has suddenly appeared in print—after all, you can’t call a staff meeting and tell all 900 New York Times news staffers about the blackout—the promise has been kept.

The only time “Bilderberg” ever appeared in The New York Times came when one of the luminaries died at a meeting and the obituary writer and his editors innocently let the word slip through. And, as mentioned earlier, The New York Times responded to a blizzard of publicity and criticism in Europe with a “humor” story in 2004 reassuring the world there is no “conspiracy.”

Four times the word slipped into The Washington Post—which has been represented by successive publishers since Bilderberg’s first meeting under that name in 1954. One came in a worshipful profile of Bilderberg luminary Vernon Jordan. In another instance, in a multi-part profile of then-Vice President Dan Quayle, the fact that Quayle had attended a Bilderberg meeting was mentioned in passing, buried deep in one of the articles in the series. Another came in an inside-page story celebrating how Austria was being economically penalized for holding a fair election in which Joerg Haider’s Nationalist Party enjoyed significant gains. In a laundry list of important meetings that had been scheduled for Austria, but changed, the Post mentioned Bilderberg—but said it had been moved to France when it actually would take place in Belgium, outside Brussels. Then, in a Dec. 3, 2004, obituary for Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands, the Post said: “He is also credited with establishing the Bilderberg Group—a secretive annual discussion forum for prominent politicians, thinkers and businessmen, which he chaired from 1954 to 1976.” The Post made no mention of its own long-standing involvement in the secretive international body. And in 2005, Va. Gov. Mark Warner’s attendance at the Bilderberg meeting in Germany was written up in a series of reports across Virginia. Warner is a Democratic governor in a state that has gone Republican since 1952, with the exception of 1964 when Lyndon Johnson trounced Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-Ariz.). His presence signals that the global elite considers him to be a potential president. Warner, respecting the rules of secrecy, kept the trip off his public calendar. When an Associated Press reporter heard an off-guard comment, Warner admitted attending but refused to divulge information. AP was given the AMERICAN FREE PRESS edition that carried Bilderberg details and the list of participants.

Bilderberg and its brother group, the Trilateral Commission, are good at picking future presidents. Actually, they like to own both horses in a two-horse race. Here is the line-up: Jerry Ford, Bilderberg; Jimmy Carter, Trilateral; President Bush the Elder; Trilateral and Bill Clinton, Bilderberg.

How can such a near-total blackout be imposed on what were, not so many years ago, 1,800 daily newspapers (now down to 1,200) in the United States, all of which thump their chests as protectors and practitioners of freedom of speech? When the major newspapers are intimidated, it affects all papers and the wire services. Most of the nation’s newspapers depend entirely on the wire services for news outside their own cities—state, national and world. If Bilderberg is not on the wires, the local editors are as ignorant as I was for 20 years. They work hard to stay ahead of the city council, high school football team and all local news. Similarly, small broadcast outlets depend on their wire services and network affiliates which, in turn, also depend largely on wire services. Wire services operate like farmers’ co-ops. Big-city newspapers pay many times as much for the services as small-town papers. When they tell the wire services to keep silent on Bilderberg, the pressure is obvious. Newspaper participants go to any length to keep their vows of silence. It’s a heady experience for these journalists to clink cocktail glasses with the rich and famous. They do so at the price of the credibility of their own newspapers.

A recent example came at the Bilderberg meeting in the spring of 2002 at Chantilly, Va.

At that time, The Washington Post and the entire mainstream media were predicting that the U.S. invasion of Iraq would come “in the late summer or early fall.” But, to appease Europeans who opposed the invasion, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld assured Bilderberg that the invasion would not come until the next year—2003. Jimmy Lee Hoagland, associate editor and columnist at the Post has escorted his publisher to Bilderberg for years. He had to hear Rumsfeld’s assurances. But he let his own newspaper continue with the “late summer or early fall” prediction, knowing it was wrong. He would not even steer his paper straight on the pretense of getting the information elsewhere—too much risk.

But covering Bilderberg is more than a spring adventure—it is a year-round operation. Two of the most significant Bilderberg exposés occurred during the “off-season” and in unlikely ways.

In March 1985, The Washington Post carried a few lines of type in its society section, noting that David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger had a meeting with Mikhail Gorbachev, head of the then-Soviet Union. The Post described the meeting as productive, and that was all.

A check of the Soviet-controlled media revealed enormous details. Rockefeller and Kissinger had told Gorbachev they were sympathetic with the economic stress suffered by the Soviet Union and could arrange for U.S. financial aid to its puppet state of Poland if Americans could observe a “free election.” So it was arranged that Poland would have a “freely elected” national legislature with only one-third of the seats reserved for the entrenched Communist Party. Could you imagine a U.S. election where one-third of Congress is reserved for only Democrats or Republicans? Another one-third of the seats were reserved for the Peasant Party, a wing of the Communist Party that had voted in lockstep with the Kremlin’s dictates for 40 years. But when the “election” was over, young Turks in the Peasant Party seized the moment and voted with members who were truly freely elected to form the government, ousting the communist regime. The fires of freedom then swept Eastern Europe, bringing an end to the Cold War. Based on this information, the still-flourishing Spotlight did an advance story on the downfall of communism in Europe, long before the mainstream media had a hint.

Another significant event occurred when NATO celebrated its 50th anniversary in Washington, D.C. in April 1999. Kenneth Clark, former chancellor of the exchequer in Britain and a longtime Bilderberg luminary, agreed to what he thought would be a “sweetheart session” with a small group of reporters at the National Press Club. I asked the first question, pointing out that he would be attending the Bilderberg meeting in Sintra, Portugal, and inquired about the agenda. The question stunned him. He was too embarrassed to deny Bilderberg when he had been told the city, country, resort and precise dates. He was pounded by questions. Before the hour ended, he had openly acknowledged that Bilderberg intended for the Western Hemisphere to become an “American Union” similar to the European Union. The American Union’s common currency would be the dollar. Clark acknowledged Bilderberg’s plan to develop an Asian-Pacific Union with a third common currency. The world, he confirmed, was to be divided into three great regions for the administrative convenience of the world government emerging under the United Nations. All of this, he said, would come “sooner, rather than later.”

Every year as The Spotlight and now AMERICAN FREE PRESS have pursued Bilderberg, readers have learned what to expect in advance of the mainstream media because those who know are under a vow of silence and the others are ignorant. It was Spotlight readers who turned the beam of publicity on Bilderberg in the European media. That year, 1994, we learned early that Bilderberg would be meeting near Helsinki, Finland. European readers inquired if they should alert the media and the answer was a quick “yes.” The result was extensive press and broadcast coverage that stunned Bilderberg luminaries. Bilderberg has suffered extensive coverage in Europe since. However, media and security control is so tight in the United States that readers have had only limited success in exposing Bilderberg here.

Having built a track record of history confirming our reports, the Washington press corps has become intensely interested in what it cannot report. After each Bilderberg meeting, I carry a load of copies of AMERICAN FREE PRESS containing Bilderberg reportage with me to hand out to reporters who can’t report. Many tell me directly that they consider the mainstream cover-up a scandal.

I normally dislike it when a question is answered with a question. But I have found it effective, over the years, to respond to reporters who say Bilderberg is just a golf outing with:

“If 120 film stars, or 120 professional football players, gathered secretly each year, in a sealed-off resort patrolled by armed guards, you would bust your [expletive deleted] to learn what transpired. Why, then, no curiosity when 120 of the world’s most distinguished leaders in finance and politics gather in that way?”

That question has never been answered.

James P. Tucker, Jr. is the world’s foremost expert on the global elite. Tucker is AFP’s editor emeritus and the author of Jim Tucker’s Bilderberg Diary.

http://americanfreepress.net/what-is-bilderberg/
 

Badfishy1

Active member
I heard Nancy Pelosi made over $100million since 2013 or something.
Clintons who are said to be billionaires or close after being in the highest offices in the US.
Follow the money isn’t that hard a concept is it? ...back to Soros and the like. That is who controls US foreign policy.

Pretty easy to make such scratch when selling weapons systems to the likes of NK and Iran. Gun running is huge profits... imagine the profit margin when running missiles... sure Soros is a big donor but small fish compared to the Saudis
 

vta

Active member
Veteran
The Collapse of The American Dream Explained....

[YOUTUBEIF]mII9NZ8MMVM[/YOUTUBEIF]
 
Top