MSNBC says Obama to legalize

Rudedewd said:

Find another way to make money, lol. No one is asking you to grow weed for a living. If you want to get rich from it sell to recreational users and leave med users alone.

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Uh every person who eats at McDonalds is ASKING them to make burgers for a living. Everyone who WILLINGLY trades with a cannabis producer ASKS that cannabis producer to grow weed. If you want to judge your neighbors go ahead, but to tell someone who they should provide cannabis to and who should be excluded is HORSE SHIT.

How about you provided thousands of tons to med people and NONE of them would have to ask others to grow, until that time you are just a worthless nothing prancing around showing your feathers

Hey it's simple. I'm not trying to judge anyone but compassionate caregivers should remember compassion. All I was saying is that if you want to know why the Feds are coming down on dispensaries follow the money. As far as growers for recreational use it's a different game in my eyes but not in the Feds. For recreational use it should be like any other product, it's worth what people will pay but in my eyes for medicinal use it should be priced so even poor patients should have access to it. The problem is too that many cardholders in Calif and elsewhere may not be of actual legitimate need but lost among the many are the ones that truly need meds and since insurance doesn't cover it they may not be getting the relief that was the actual intention of the law. It's hard for me to split hairs as I believe that weed should be legal for any adults but because cards are so widespread it creates an open market which would be fine if it didn't negate the actual spirit of the law which was to get sick people something to make them feel better. For patients with money higher prices are not an issue but for many people struggling with illness money is often a major issue and these are the people suffering with market prices.

As far as recreational states go weed should be like anything else, you've got your Mad Dog 20/20 and you got Cristal and many choices in between so produce a good product and find the right cliental and you should reap the rewards. Tread very carefully though as even though recreational users are not a priority in those states according to President Obama I'm sure suppliers and distributors will be. Somehow I don't see that side of the market changing, I think it'll be the same old same old until the federal government does something about their laws, until then keep your heads down and play it safe. Even when they set up shops in legal states I'd tread carefully because the Feds might just be waiting til then to do a sweep. Trust no one especially not the government, lol.

I'm sorry if I seemed to come down on anyone's way of living, I just ask for compassion where there should be compassion. And to point out the obvious, that if in med states people use the law to make alot of money the government is going to go after them. I'm not sure if they will be able to use the same arguements going after supply in recreational states but they will surely try.

Rudedewd said:

I'm sorry if I seemed to come down on anyone's way of living, I just ask for compassion where there should be compassion. And to point out the obvious, that if in med states people use the law to make alot of money the government is going to go after them. I'm not sure if they will be able to use the same arguements going after supply in recreational states but they will surely try.

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Rudedewd - your heart seems to be in the right place.

Please consider setting up a very large-scale MMJ grow and donating your harvests to deserving patients.

Watch it man cause you are rude when you suggest that what the Feds are doing as justifiable...makes you sound like a cop but I don't think you are. Some people think medical users are different from recreational users but I see no difference at all.

Look because I pointed out what they are doing doesn't mean that I think it's right but they are going after people who violate the spirit of the law. and of course there is a difference between med users and recreational users, at least valid med users. I think that everybody should be legally able to use herb if they are of age but sick people may actually NEED it compared to those who just want to use it. If you honestly can't see the difference then you have my pity.

Rudedewd said:

Look because I pointed out what they are doing doesn't mean that I think it's right but they are going after people who violate the spirit of the law. and of course there is a difference between med users and recreational users, at least valid med users. I think that everybody should be legally able to use herb if they are of age but sick people may actually NEED it compared to those who just want to use it. If you honestly can't see the difference then you have my pity.

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How much AAA top shelf medicine are you giving away or selling at rock-bottom prices per week to needy patients?

The question is how much are those multi million, multi hundred thousand, multi twenty thousand dollar 'compassion' movements giving away.

Not how much the guy who notices they give very effing little and take an effing lot.

there is a way around this whole argument. sell the nug to rec users for fair profit, and make edibles, hash, and hash oils for the med patients for free. everyone needs a way to make a living, everyone wants to live well and have things. Everyone also wants to help others; in general there are very few people out there that have no interest in helping anyone at all. the key is to use your brain and find a way to help and make a healthy profit. it can all be very positive. there is no need for there to be a negative to this situation. we are all here to overgrow.

I don't sell and I don't know any patients in need. My state just passed medicinal mj and you can bet your ass I will be doing my part in volunteering as soon as everything gets implemented. As far as selling your gear, why not sell your triple aaa to rec users? As far as I'm concerned recreational users are a free market, I'm not saying to take advantage of anyone but if you want fair market value sell it to the dude that's just going to sit in front of the tube instead of someone going through chemo. I know in some states they are a little fast and loose with the med cards but lost among those people who get cards for relatively minor things (which I don't blame them for, I'd prolly do it too if I didn't already qualify) are people with legitimate medical needs on fixed incomes. I just think it's sad those people get lost in the shuffle. I really don't know what the answer is unless it's full legalization that somehow still recognizes it's medical needs. I mean the shit should be legalized for everyone over 18 anyhoo but there still should be a system where poor medical users could get hooked up without paying consumer prices. For some of them of course the answer is growing their own but many of them are so physically challenged they just aren't able to. You know insurance companies will never authorize payments, why should they start doing the right thing all of a sudden.

HZ, I think that is an excellent idea. I don't think it would cut into anyone's profits and it'd be great Karma all around. I think volunteers could be found to process the trim so growers could just donate raw trim. When they set up whatever we end up for distribution I'll have to keep that in mind. Some growers that I know don't even do anything with their trim but burn it so it could be a nice win - win situation.

Is it worth noting that the government are busting the dispensaries making massive profits, not because they're offending the spirit of the law, so much as because they can confiscate and keep those profits? There's no reward to busting the compliant non-profit dispensaries because by definition they have no profits to confiscate. As soon as they run out of dispensaries filled with pots of gold, only then will we see how they feel about the compliant ones.

^it is a robbery game. the bureaucracy must perpetuate it's self some how.