Inbreeding.....the Skill of the Breeder.....

Rodriguez

Member

• Nov 16, 2005

• #21

i always thought too much inbreeding has had its faults across all species, human,plant and animal alike, heck i know some towns where half the populus is inbred and its f*cking scary what mess comes of it. but in plants is there a safe amount of times to inbreed or backcross before it starts messing things up?

 

GMT

The Tri Guy

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• Nov 16, 2005

• #22

The differences between Africans, Europeans and Asians is down to inbreeding. Which one is messed up? Remember that all humans are decended from the same female human, some inbreeding created us all. And no I'm not talking about bible stuff, it has been shown through the DNA samples taken from all over the world that we all had a common female ancestor, they named her Eve due to obvious biblical similarities.

 

G

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• Nov 16, 2005

• #23

it would go on a case by case scenario some will go longer than others it all depends on the strain.

 

guineapig

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• Nov 16, 2005

• #24

so in a breeding project should you maintain and label all of your backcrosses just in case that final backcross proves disastrous and results in a "prince charles"-looking plant?

so BOG would have bx1, bx2 and bx3 populations......but when he tries a bx4 and gets a "prince charles" plant that has no chlorophyll and ears that stick out, at least he maintained the other backcrosses which he could test-cross with other varieties for some hybrid vigour?

of course space constraints might get in the way at some point i guess......

good thread everyone,
kind regards, guineapig

 

G

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• Nov 16, 2005

• #25

GMT said:

The differences between Africans, Europeans and Asians is down to inbreeding. Which one is messed up? Remember that all humans are decended from the same female human, some inbreeding created us all. And no I'm not talking about bible stuff, it has been shown through the DNA samples taken from all over the world that we all had a common female ancestor, they named her Eve due to obvious biblical similarities.

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Yup. Inbreeding and Adaptation to a specific Environment (possibly Forced). We used to be Nomadic. Some of us can still feel this urge to roam but in most it has been quelled by Saturated Fats, Armed Borders and Alcohol. By television and things that seem to Expand our minds but truly inhibit our Creative Processes. We Are Hunter Gatherers ..... Getting too comfortable Letting those who wish to "Capitalize on Every faction of Life" keep us dependent on them to supply what we need might be our downfall. They do this by destroying the Old Ways and forbiding us to try and rekindle the Knowledge which truly Teaches us. Sound familiar? When the switches no longer work, the SUV won't budge and the 7-11 has not been restocked whatcha gonna do?

 

JohnBudd

Active member

• Nov 16, 2005

• #26

Does this mean my cousin is off limits?(As the "Dueling Banjo" music plays)
Great info Gypsy, thanks!

 

G

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• Nov 16, 2005

• #27

JohnBudd said:

Does this mean my cousin is off limits?(As the "Dueling Banjo" music plays)
Great info Gypsy, thanks!

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John.....LOL

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Great info in here - this is a look at the amount of work/time that goes into to breading a quality hybrid - IBL –

Thanks to ALL the bean makers that put the time and effort in learning the trade.

Rez - I have been involved with line breading Champion Labs & it is NOT for amateurs / it takes close to a decade to produce a ‘line bred dog’ that has desirable inherent traits ready to pass on.

If you intend to breed; dog breeders MAKE you sign a contract stating ‘conditions’ if not met - you can not register the pups – they also charge more for a dog that will be used in breading over a pet & are VERY picky about who the sell a breading/show dog to. I quickly found out with breading dogs – it takes money - space commitment – knowledge & some luck.

I can see some of the same principles apply to cannabis breading / I hope this thread gives some insight to the commitment it takes before deciding to throw some plants together and sell some seeds for money.

 

G

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• Nov 16, 2005

• #28

"I quickly found out with breading dogs – it takes money - space commitment – knowledge & some luck."
Is that like breading a Fish Stick? When John does his cousin in a corn field will they produce an In Corn Bred baby or In Corn Bread baby? If you did the same with your Labs how long would it take to Breed an In Bred CornDog? But wait those are Breaded too.....Now I'm Really confused.

 

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G

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• Nov 16, 2005

• #29

WeedWrapperMan said:

"I quickly found out with breading dogs – it takes money - space commitment – knowledge & some luck."
Is that like breading a Fish Stick? When John does his cousin in a corn field will they produce an In Corn Bred baby or In Corn Bread baby? If you did the same with your Labs how long would it take to Breed an In Bred CornDog? But wait those are Breaded too.....Now I'm Really confused.

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LMAO!

 

BushyOldGrower

Bubblegum Specialist

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• Nov 16, 2005

• #30

What REZ says is quite true and he did recently advise me not to bother with the 4th bx of the sour bubble because of the bad recessives that could turn up but I told him I had this big clone and what to do with her? LOL...

I am listening and still doing as I please but when I have a question REZ is who I ask. Much respect. BOG

 

OXOSSI

Member

• Nov 17, 2005

• #31

The entire human race did not arise from a single female! cmon guys.

 

GMT

The Tri Guy

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• Nov 17, 2005

• #32

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

Now I am more parra about links than anyone,
but on this one it's not MJ related and it's a main site. It gives a really interesting and yet not too complex overview of "Adam and Eve".

 

G

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• Nov 17, 2005

• #33

I saw a TV show on Discovery (Science channel I think) about the Mitochondrial Eve - it was pretty interesting!

 

JLP

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• Nov 17, 2005

• #34

I remember a thing I saw about Lions in Africa once.Somehow they know that inbreeding causes problems because every so often they banish one of the young males from the pride.It takes the young male a little bit to get the message but when they do they go off and join another lion pride thereby insuring genetic diversity.

JLP

 

Verite

My little pony.. my little pony

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• Nov 18, 2005

• #35

Turns out that mitochondrial eve was Phyllis Diller.

 

Rodriguez

Member

• Nov 19, 2005

• #36

ehehahahacoucghcoughahaha

 

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Vapour

The Herbal Gerbil

• Nov 19, 2005

• #37

I think a natural progression for this thread would be a Q and A session for those out there who have always had questions but never had the forum to ask the breeders when they are present. I know when i started with Gypsy i knew incredibly little about breeding and over they years can say i've gratefully picked up enough knowledge to help a bit. So if anyone has any direct and relevant questions feel free to start the ball rolling.

Education is great and educated customers are even better!!!!!!

 

G

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• Nov 19, 2005

• #38

sure the entire race came from a single human female, there's just no other possibility. Any two humans living today have a common ancestor, you might have to go back 100 generations but you're sure to find a great^50 grandfather eventually... by the same logic, any two humans that have ever lived share a common ancestor. Take it one step further, and you have to conclude that all organisms living today, and all organisms that have ever lived, from bacteria to elephants, all derive from a common single-celled ancestor. This, in a nutshell, is evolution.

Some acid casualties like to talk about alien visitors from the eleventh planet who caused apes to mutate into humans, and evangelical christians have some shtick about 'intelligent design', but the truth is far stranger and more beautiful than either...

(PS: Hey vapour, good to see ya! )

 

G

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• Nov 19, 2005

• #39

If this is the case I want my hereditary entitlements to one or more of my Rich relatives Estates like the Trump Plaza or Buckingham Palace or The BOG Cave or Rezs Oil Derrick (for no other reason than Space to Grow Weed and Play my Banjo). That's right Queenie, Bushy Rez and Donnie cough up those deeds.

 

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sugenite

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• Nov 19, 2005

• #40

Shipperke said:

Some acid casualties like to talk about alien visitors from the eleventh planet who caused apes to mutate into humans, and evangelical christians have some shtick about 'intelligent design', but the truth is far stranger and more beautiful than either...

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actually its... the 12th planet.. great book... its were the aliens came from who gene spliced their dna into the apes....hence the missing link- millions of years of evolution.. they were just breeding smart dogs (slaves)...
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