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The history of BHO

montroller

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I was actually just looking into this last night... your post in the terp trommel thread got me thinking where honey oil initially came from. All the old heads always remember the "best" honey oil ever being available in the early 70's and all the research I could find lead me to the Brotherhood of Eternal Love being the group of people who first flooded the states with oil. Apparently they had a plug in Afghanistan that was making the stuff but I couldn't find any information about how they did it or if it was even verified. Would love to know more though.
 

montroller

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Also to comment on your original post... I wonder if freejon is actually indra/jon davis, the guy who made the first formal tutorial on erowid back in 99. I think he was also posting on thenook.org under "int" around the same time.


I feel like a stalker looking up all these old posts but it can never hurt to know your history
 

krunchbubble

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Think I may have made the first batches of BHO Budder starting in 2003, have pics of it from 2004...

When I posted pics back the on Overgrow and The Farm, no one knew what it was...

I just called it Delta-9...

I know I was THE ONLY person in the Bay Area for several years making it and had celebrities flying here to buy it, Delta-9 made it into some Bay area raps by Yukmouth..

Miss that good Blue Dot strain...



 

OakyJoe

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Think I may have made the first batches of BHO Budder starting in 2003, have pics of it from 2004...

When I posted pics back the on Overgrow and The Farm, no one knew what it was...

I just called it Delta-9...

I know I was THE ONLY person in the Bay Area for several years making it and had celebrities flying here to buy it, Delta-9 made it into some Bay area raps by Yukmouth..

Miss that good Blue Dot strain...



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Something let me remember EXACTLY THIS mate...... something :)
 

SkyHighLer

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In the interest of truth and understanding, here's G.O. Joe's entire ICMAG Private Message I found in my inbox this morning:

"Private Message: Re: patent thread + history of BHO, BTW
10-17-2016, 07:23 PM
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patent thread + history of BHO, BTW

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyHighLer View Post
Could you post a link? I don't know what terms to search for


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330631

FYI BHO goes back before erowid, and before Indra. Obviously, pouring butane through a tube in 98 does not a patent make. There's all this giving away talk anyways. However, he fully deserves credit for PVC tube BHO. And I guess all the explosions.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7429926&postcount=16

This is posted then he appears out of nowhere. I never read his erowid post or heard of Indra until Todd mentioned it right before he joined the HC panel after.

freejon brought it up again later,
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=100222

then gyro - I had read all his posts too, but my post was only about putting a date on the first post and punning.

https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=90292
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=567313
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=573826
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=561893

gyro talks much about doing more interesting and serious chemistry than Indra's let on about on HC. It must have a fun and quite profitable time for him and his crew of at least freejon in (?)Switzerland.
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SkyHighLer

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I was actually just looking into this last night... your post in the terp trommel thread got me thinking where honey oil initially came from. All the old heads always remember the "best" honey oil ever being available in the early 70's and all the research I could find lead me to the Brotherhood of Eternal Love being the group of people who first flooded the states with oil. Apparently they had a plug in Afghanistan that was making the stuff but I couldn't find any information about how they did it or if it was even verified. Would love to know more though.

The US Senate report on BEL,

https://archive.org/stream/hashishsmuggling00unit#page/n1/mode/2up
 

montroller

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Taken from GO Joe's link

drone342 said:

I'm assuming they are talking about Adam Mueller? Has anyone actually tried this or can point to a documented verification? Super interested to learn more and again sorry for going off topic.
 

SkyHighLer

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In the interest of truth and understanding, here's G.O. Joe's entire ICMAG Private Message I found in my inbox this morning:

"Private Message: Re: patent thread + history of BHO, BTW
10-17-2016, 07:23 PM
G.O. Joe
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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patent thread + history of BHO, BTW

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyHighLer View Post
Could you post a link? I don't know what terms to search for


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330631

FYI BHO goes back before erowid, and before Indra. Obviously, pouring butane through a tube in 98 does not a patent make. There's all this giving away talk anyways. However, he fully deserves credit for PVC tube BHO. And I guess all the explosions.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7429926&postcount=16

This is posted then he appears out of nowhere. I never read his erowid post or heard of Indra until Todd mentioned it right before he joined the HC panel after.

freejon brought it up again later,
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=100222

then gyro - I had read all his posts too, but my post was only about putting a date on the first post and punning.

https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=90292
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=567313
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=573826
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=561893

gyro talks much about doing more interesting and serious chemistry than Indra's let on about on HC. It must have a fun and quite profitable time for him and his crew of at least freejon in (?)Switzerland.
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My deepest apologies for the indiscretion G.O. Joe, your words speak volumes as to your character, I hope everyone appreciates the bluntness necessary when enough is enough.

Here's FOAF, I assume the same foaf from ICMAG Concentrate Forums.

"yinyang
( )
04-20-99 15:20
No 90353
Hash oil

Hi, a new-bee here, not a chemist, but definitely a Cannabinologist for many years.

Please everybody DO TRY the method given by gyrogearloose with a length of PVC pipe and lighther gas. A FOAF tried it last night and IT WORKED BEYOND MY CRAZIEST EXPECTACTIONS. Followed the instructions exactly (1 1/2 ft length of PVC, two stoppers with holes, 4 small cans of lighter butane, put a container under the pipe, filled a small soup bowl with the gaz/THCoil mix, put the soup bowl in a larger container holding warm water on the window ledge. The gas started to boil like mad and disappeared in less than 10 min.

Looked in the dish: Lo and Behold, about 3/4 of a gram of pale blond sticky oil, really like honey. Put two drops in a rolled-up cig... wwwwwoooohhhh!!! Really should have only put half a drop. Kicked ass like I haven't seen for years. I only managed to smoke a third of the cig, and this is from someone who has a 22+ years history of daily consuming. And this was only made with small underdeveloped bottom buds!

Hey Gyro, a million thanks to you for this 3rd millenium method. No heat, no solvents, no mess, no time... a small yield OK, but WHAT A YIELD!

Next time I'm (the FOAF is) going to try with less butane.

So please, THC lovers TRY THIS. (wow, haven't been enthusiastic like this for years)

yinyang (%)"

From the fourth from the bottom of G.O. Joe's links,

https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org...t=&Number=90292&page=&view=&sort=&part=5&vc=1


"bho - large scale closed system" by foaf"

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=27954
 
Oh the History! Growing up I always dreamed of being in a turn of the century emerging industry, let alone one with the potential to cure Cancer. What a great time to be alive.
 
Thanks for sharing this everyone!

Sometime around 2004-05 I had a glassblower friend ask me what I was doing with all my trim. I was making an infused cooking oil in a crock pot for the most part but was also tossing a bunch when I cropped again and didn't have the bins to stow in. I know we got our initial tech from the gypsy glass community that brought it up from NorCal.

I went out to the studio (aka barn in BFE) and I got my first 4' glass tube with a nipple at the end of it. The technique was a double boiler made of casserole dishes. I feel like before the pancake griddle and seeding mat I used a basic heat pad underneath to "cook things" off.

The quality of trim at the start was atrocious and so was the product. Paper clip dabbers and glass bulb drop stems that looked awful and burst into flames when dabbed. The high was so much stronger then anything else at the time I guess it kept me motivated to strive for more flavor and control the quality that went into the product for a better outcome.

The oil chronicles are deep, I could talk for hours about the progression. Hash church makes now just blows my mind and I couldn't be happier with where we are heading with our industry and passion.
 

SkyHighLer

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"I asked Indra if he went by the name of freejon on erowid to which his said he did."

"10-23-2016, 08:06 PM #31
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I dont think anyone is calling him a fraud or not extremely knowledgeable in extraction, I think the criticism is primarily in the patent right claims. Was there was a closed loop design public before his patent? He obviously has the first to file part down, was it public domain pre his closed loop filing via online dissemination?

I asked Indra if he went by the name of freejon on erowid to which his said he did.

He also said Grey Wolf had the worst and unsafest system and design, paraphrasing but as close to the quote as I can remember. I invited him here for proper discourse vs a streaming chat, hoping he does seeing as hes no stranger to forums based on is erowid past from near 20 years ago!"

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7676789&postcount=31



Assuming Indra/John Henry Davis is freejon as claimed to Pangea, check out G.O. Joe's links again,



In the interest of truth and understanding, here's G.O. Joe's entire ICMAG Private Message I found in my inbox this morning:

"Private Message: Re: patent thread + history of BHO, BTW
10-17-2016, 07:23 PM
G.O. Joe
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Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Ditchweed City
Posts: 840

patent thread + history of BHO, BTW

Quote:
Originally Posted by SkyHighLer View Post
Could you post a link? I don't know what terms to search for


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=330631

FYI BHO goes back before erowid, and before Indra. Obviously, pouring butane through a tube in 98 does not a patent make. There's all this giving away talk anyways. However, he fully deserves credit for PVC tube BHO. And I guess all the explosions.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=7429926&postcount=16

This is posted then he appears out of nowhere. I never read his erowid post or heard of Indra until Todd mentioned it right before he joined the HC panel after.

freejon brought it up again later,
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=100222

then gyro - I had read all his posts too, but my post was only about putting a date on the first post and punning.

https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=90292
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=567313
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=573826
https://the-hive.archive.erowid.org/forum/showflat.pl?Cat=&Number=561893

gyro talks much about doing more interesting and serious chemistry than Indra's let on about on HC. It must have a fun and quite profitable time for him and his crew of at least freejon in (?)Switzerland.
__________________

My deepest apologies for the indiscretion G.O. Joe, your words speak volumes as to your character, I hope everyone appreciates the bluntness necessary when enough is enough.
 

SkyHighLer

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And if Indra/John Henry Davis is freejon, he's been spewing conjecture as fact for a long time, you can't open extract with a CO2! :biggrin:

"It is the BEAST extraction method in the world. you canuse carbon dioxide gas as well."

"freejon
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11-06-98 16:15
No 100223
Gas extraction. Help

This is my original post and idea.
Please pass it on.
there will be no interference from frozen material, you cannot pack the pipe hard enough. I did this as a first with grass for the oil them for dmt it works like a charm.
Nothing will impead you if you do as posted..
It is the BEAST extraction method in the world. you canuse carbon dioxide gas as well.
Please do not assume that anything will go wrong with way posted, those who have not tried it will winder all day what can go wrong the rest of us will be too high to care..................freejon"
 
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