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The Green New Deal
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White Beard
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Thanks for the Eno, brother - lovely...
I find that focusing on politicians and their flaws obscures the rapacity of the corporate actors. The corporations - that is, the ones that impact our lives most severely - are largely indistinguishable from the private fortunes that are the majority shareholders of these companies, and who are on the boards of directors of these same corporations - issue their marching orders, just as they do for the politicians they have paid real money for.
These private-sector actors are only limited by statute and court action, hence their profound interest in packing courts with “agreeable” jurists, and in pushing their bought congresspeople to take the limits off of these fortunes and their corporations...which has inexorably led to the shrinking of individual liberty and the stacking of regulatory decks against the bulk of the public.
This is what gets lost when the tree-frog chorus starts up about politicians and their bottomless evil: when given the choice between leaving office wealthy and comfortable for life, or being destroyed, too many choose to switch their allegiance from the voters to the shadowy syndicate that holds the REAL carrot...and the REAL fist....
Always enjoy your contributions, musical and philosophical
I only diverge from you on the question of ‘integrity in politicians’, not that I have the best respect for them.
I find that focusing on politicians and their flaws obscures the rapacity of the corporate actors. The corporations - that is, the ones that impact our lives most severely - are largely indistinguishable from the private fortunes that are the majority shareholders of these companies, and who are on the boards of directors of these same corporations - issue their marching orders, just as they do for the politicians they have paid real money for.
These private-sector actors are only limited by statute and court action, hence their profound interest in packing courts with “agreeable” jurists, and in pushing their bought congresspeople to take the limits off of these fortunes and their corporations...which has inexorably led to the shrinking of individual liberty and the stacking of regulatory decks against the bulk of the public.
This is what gets lost when the tree-frog chorus starts up about politicians and their bottomless evil: when given the choice between leaving office wealthy and comfortable for life, or being destroyed, too many choose to switch their allegiance from the voters to the shadowy syndicate that holds the REAL carrot...and the REAL fist....
Always enjoy your contributions, musical and philosophical
White Beard
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So...all the rights of a citizen without the obligations and duties that citizenship requires?
I mean, laws against murder are fine, as long as you can keep your freedom of choice in the matter?
Pleasant chatting with you, but I have to get to work.
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So, you support life long politicians that says it all.
White Beard
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Nice job of not paying attention...thank the Gods you’re not the only one reading all this - not everyone forgets what they read as fast as they read it
I read what you write. Generally disagree with most of it. Obviously. I find it quite honest of you to admit that you don't want term limits because it would hurt the Democratic party.
@ Cannavore, term limits, and eliminating lobbyists is my issue. Like universal health care is your issue. I don't want rulers, I want politicians to actually serve the people. It shouldn't be a get rich quick scam. To me their is no legitimate reason why a congressman or Senator should serve for decades. We have them limits for president, why not for Congress.
White Beard
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I’m sorry, did we wake you?
I am just gruntled...but I am with you, on the road to disgruntled..
Imo, we'd be beyond dumb to listen to any conservative solutions to climate change, as you obstructionists and deniers have gone out of you way to vilify and criticise the people and science trying to warn us. We better put our faith in the people who have been warning this would happen for decades, or any chance we have to turn this around is fucked. All the suffering being caused now and into the future is on you guys. Regarding warming, I reckon ole Beelzebub will have the last laugh, so better dress light my friend, 'cause I hear the summers down there can get hot and dry
White Beard
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I was giving you the benefit of the doubt: not reading them would account for your lack of comprehension.
Now that I think about it, I remember back when GOP were cutting their base off from the rest of the country. “Don’t believe those lying liberals, everything they say is a lie! In fact, don’t even LISTEN to them at all - WE know their secret code, WE will tell you what they *mean*”
You probably don’t remember, it was back in the late ‘80s, early ‘90s, but based on the results you’re getting with your seekrit decoder ring, you’ve been raised with the idea that everything “liberals” say means something other than the plain words they use.
It would explain the hash y’all keep making out of every conversation you ‘participate’ in. It would explain why people think y’all’re raving loonies. Too bad you don’t realize all that stream-of-consciousness ‘conservative-speak’ is exactly the kind of code they “warned” you about.
Propaganda as a crypto-revolutionary social engineering project. Goddam scary.
What about the people who are not conservatives that see the billshit propaganda of climate change? And if scientists have been warning us for decades, just how many decades are you speaking of??Imo, we'd be beyond dumb to listen to any conservative solutions to climate change, as you obstructionists and deniers have gone out of you way to vilify and criticise the people and science trying to warn us. We better put our faith in the people who have been warning this would happen for decades, or any chance we have to turn this around is fucked. All the suffering being caused now and into the future is on you guys. Regarding warming, I reckon ole Beelzebub will have the last laugh, so better dress light my friend, 'cause I hear the summers down there can get hot and dry
American presidents were warned about the dangers of climate change way back in the sixties. That would make about 5 going on 6 decades. Check out the vid. My friends and I have been discussing it for at least 3 decades. Google is your friend.
https://weather.com/science/environ...-been-warned-about-climate-change-for-decades
Google is NOT my friend...and it shouldn’t be your friend either...
It’s unfortunate that people look to google for the “facts”....So sad...
We had an ice age threat the scientists Predicted..google it...oh wait, google now says it was a hoax....lol, it was published so you can go outside corrupt google lords of knowledge and find it...just for fun...let’s say it was the 60’s that scientist claimed man made global warming....so in 5 billion years of earths existence... humans can change the climate in 134 years since the very first first automobile? And there were not many people driving them then....so maybe 80 years ...Really? Maybe if we all start running in the opposite direction of the earths rotation we could Change that too....it’s so funny that in the 60’s they said question authority, now they say don’t question it, it’s fact! Shut up or your a denier! Funny how power corrupts...
Mate, I have so few friends already, and if you take away google I'll be all on my lonesome.
I hear what you're saying and I get the exact same argument from a Trump supporter mate. Only source he believes is Trump, but unfortunately Trump's a liar. You have to get your info from somewhere, so where are you getting yours?. Separating the wheat from the chaff on Google isn't too hard.
Climate change is real and I'm not going to waste my time debating it. I'm in Sth East Australia and my house is currently surrounded by bush fires. We get a fraction of the summer rain we used to only a few years ago. It's changing so fast it's frightening.
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People are free to deny it, of course.... there will always be contrarians on every subject for the rest of time, but it reminds me of an old Yosemite Sam cartoon.... I think the contrarians will end up just like Sam, but so will the rest of us
Bugs Bunny throws a match into the ammunition room, Sam freaks out and retrieves it, Bugs does it again and Sam retrieves it again....
Sam says 'if you do that again i aint going after it', Bugs does it anyway
Sam stands around tapping his toes, starts to sweat, plays yoyo then can't handle it anymore so runs into the room *KABOOM*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW7gEQjCNPo
If there was only a slight chance that we were making the planet less habitable why wouldn't you want to try to do the right thing for future generations??
In the 70s scientist were worried about global cooling. Their was even talk of using carbon to melt the polar ice caps. Science evolves. That's why the science is NOT settled.
Imo, we'd be beyond dumb to listen to any conservative solutions to climate change, as you obstructionists and deniers have gone out of you way to vilify and criticise the people and science trying to warn us. We better put our faith in the people who have been warning this would happen for decades, or any chance we have to turn this around is fucked. All the suffering being caused now and into the future is on you guys. Regarding warming, I reckon ole Beelzebub will have the last laugh, so better dress light my friend, 'cause I hear the summers down there can get hot and dry
We vilify because the left refuses to separate the universal health care, Universal income, etc. A bunch of crap that will never pass so they use scare tactics. If stopping climate change is your goal, STOP using it as an excuse to take over half the economy. STOP using it as a tool. Address the problem directly.
If the left REALLY wants to address climate change, you need us. If this is the number one issue, maybe their are better ways than blaming everything on conservatives.
It's all about power. The left has had control of government many times, yet haven't done shit. It's about political power.
I guess you missed 60 Minutes last night. Deniers are being taken to the Supreme Court where scientific research and facts will prevail and trumpian climate deniers will have their ignorance proven.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/julian...ment-from-supporting-fossil-fuels-60-minutes/
The likelihood of national health care is looking very good after trump has shown us how fucked the republican party has become. The fake news and alternate facts will float away down the river.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/julian...ment-from-supporting-fossil-fuels-60-minutes/
The likelihood of national health care is looking very good after trump has shown us how fucked the republican party has become. The fake news and alternate facts will float away down the river.
