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Old 10-12-2018, 05:02 AM #51
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Is it pretty? Nope, but the sheer reality of an overpopulated world will lead to this area being explored sooner rather than later. Look at the fiction Judge Dredd as a good example, "eat recycled food, good for the environment, and good for you..." When the oil starts to run out, and petrochemical fertilization is no longer viable, science will have to find new ways to keep the crops going. Do I hope some miracle comes along and prevents the world from collapsing into resource wars and famine? Yep, but at this point it doesn't seem likely.
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Humans have really dangerous bacteries in their guts beside beneficial ones,Clostridium difficile a superbactery that infects humans can survive 6 month spores outside in most extreme conditions,heat,acid enviroment,cold.. and be prepared for attack on new host..

I will never use human manure for plant growing but i sees there is a great amendments that are much cleaner and safer for production of food or medicine as we does..

Maybe i will use human manure to fertilize woods,trees that dont bear fruits that are for consumation,only then by mine personal
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If uncompletely composted no type of manure is safe, for instance sheep and cow fresh manure can give you liver flukes. It's all about the temperature of your pile. Industrial cattles are stuffed with antibiotics and all type of shit all their lives and their manure is also full of it. I'd rather use one year old manure from the backyard toilet of a vegan jehova witness than fresh industrial cow manure that will fill my weed with antibiotics. East asians have been using human manure for generations in their fields without health issues.
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Is it pretty? Nope, but the sheer reality of an overpopulated world will lead to this area being explored sooner rather than later. Look at the fiction Judge Dredd as a good example, "eat recycled food, good for the environment, and good for you..." When the oil starts to run out, and petrochemical fertilization is no longer viable, science will have to find new ways to keep the crops going. Do I hope some miracle comes along and prevents the world from collapsing into resource wars and famine? Yep, but at this point it doesn't seem likely.
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Sewer cartels and turd burgers. Made my morning.

Seriously, the collection point is key, as Teddy so eloquently expressed. Effluent flushed to a huge central processing plant will likely never be healthy. There is however real potential for individual household collection of self-waste and composting/vermicomposting.

This points to more than only the recycling of our waste but humans returning to acceptance of responsibility for their own impact on the earth.

These types of actions have transformative powers on the human attitude.
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I wonder what Paul Stamets would say on this subject?
Too bad he's not here on IC.

I'd be willing to bet that mushrooms could do for shit what they can do for hydrocarbons.

Then we could feed the mushroom compost to our beloved plants.
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I was made aware of this when two trailers dumped a 12” deep lane wide trail for miles down a local highway. The sewage plant in the city sells it to local farms for cheap. The representative for the sewer company kept saying how it’s “treated” and worry free. It looked and smelt just like pooo and all my mind could think about was the worst case scenarios of what people shit and put in toilets. I felt real bad for the guy who wreaked his motorcycle in it and laughed at the thought of how many cars drove through and parked in their garage. It was reported as manure. Humans can’t be trusted to keep this kind of system good. I could care less what the process is, there are too many unknowns in a city’s waste collection, but I have no doubt we all have had things grown in fields fertilized with human shit without knowing it. I will be more careful from now on.
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I wonder what Paul Stamets would say on this subject?
Too bad he's not here on IC.

I'd be willing to bet that mushrooms could do for shit what they can do for hydrocarbons.

Then we could feed the mushroom compost to our beloved plants.
At the toxic US Superfund sites they often conduct research on microbes that can break down materials that we currently have no conventional means of dealing with, it might end up being the case that human compost becomes just as usable as plant compost, once the right microbe colonies are discovered and introduced. Progress is almost always a good thing, sometimes it just smells a little nastier than we would like.
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At the toxic US Superfund sites they often conduct research on microbes that can break down materials that we currently have no conventional means of dealing with, it might end up being the case that human compost becomes just as usable as plant compost, once the right microbe colonies are discovered and introduced. Progress is almost always a good thing, sometimes it just smells a little nastier than we would like.
The Japanese already have a formula which hypothetically accomplishes this. It is called EM and in my world it worked.
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They say if you compost it 2 years your good to use it in your vegetable garden. Also if you burry it below ground a foot, and plant on top you are also good. The idea is that the pathogens coming into direct contact with your fruit that you are going to eat is where the danger lies. But we aren't even eating it, we are processing it and lighting it to high temperatures. Fungi spores die at 140F, and most other bacteria and pathogens its 165F.

Human manure has been used for hundreds of years, what you think they used back in 1600-1800 when it was life or death for a farmer to have a crop be fertilized and grow with fertile soil.

So if you have really good Living soil and throw a poop in, that microbial life will break it down in no time. I highly doubt there will be anything left within months.

I will hands down do a sidebyside "shit test". take a fat dump into a 3 gallon nursery pot mixed with a mixture of 33% peat 33% perlite 33% EWC.

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