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Poormans Rosin Press

Houston... We have liftoff

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Stay tuned to this channel, folks.
 
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Let me begin this second phase by introducing my Poormans Rotovap.

A Rotovap or rotary evaporator (see a real one, below) is a common piece of equipment found in most any high-end cannabis processing lab nowadays. It's basically a modified distillation setup. There is a glass flask to hold the "charge" or solution to be distilled in a container of heated water.

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The main difference between a standard lab-type distillation rig and the Rotovap is the flask holding the charge solution is mounted such that it can be constantly rotated. This does two things. It keeps the heat evenly dispersed all around and it stirs the solution to speed up the evaporation process. A vacuum is applied to cause the ethanol to evaporate faster and at a lower temperature. From there the distillate (in this case ethanol) is collected in a cooling chamber and dripped into another flask. What's left in the first flask is what we're after. That's the purified cannabis concentrate.

These units cost many thousands of dollars, depending on size and features. They also require a fair amount of charge solution to work properly. A few millileters won't cut it so even if I could afford one, it would be of no use to me on such a small scale. There is (like there always is) another way to accomplish basically the same thing.

Meet my Poormans Rotovap


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What I have here is a coffee cup warmer mounted, with double sided tape, to a dental vibrator unit. This gets me the mild heat I need to evaporate the ethanol (more on that, later) and the constant movement of the solution to reduce the surface tension and speed up the evaporation process.

Very simple, low cost solution anyone can afford. This dental vibrator sells for under $100 on Ebay. Some others as low as $50.

Winterization Method #1: Part 1

My goal, since day one on this site just a few months ago, has been to come up with a simple and safe way for me, and anyone else who might also be so inclined, to produce good, safe and cheap vape concentrate. Not too much to ask, I thought. I'm doing this only for myself. I do not sell or supply to others. Maybe some day, when things loosen up, but not today.

The Poormans Rosin Press got me the crude plant extract for very little investment. But, now, what to do with it?

Experimentation has shown adding anything to the product only serves to both dilute and contaminate the end result. Vaping extracts, flavorings and dilutions being sold to unsuspecting folks, me included, are both dangerous and completely unnecessary.

I wanted my concentrate to ultimately be free of chemical pesticides, devoid of questionable additives and clean of plant by-products. I wanted the same pure concentrate I was having to pay $70 - $100 per half gram at my medical dispensary.

The only way to accomplish this was to try and duplicate what the big-boys were doing with all their expensive and fancy high tech lab toys. Was that even possible?

Well, as you will soon learn, it is.

You can find my Winterization Method 1 described, above. This is the complete process I used, with some minor tweaks, from start to finish. I will go into more detail about each step, now.

First, I pressed out about two grams of my just recently (12/28/17) harvested AK-47 strain. Being less than a month old, I obtained my clearest bounty to date. Luscious gobs of golden colored resin from each puck. Almost no bits of dried plant. Way clearer and thicker than my early pressings with some AK-47 harvested in October of last year. I can tell you for sure, the earlier you press after harvest, the better the product will be.

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I took my two grams of candy and dropped it all into a test tube. To this, I added some warm ethanol. In my case, 190 proof Graves grain alcohol from my local package store.

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I placed the test tube in some water in a candle jar and let it sit on the coffee warmer for a while. Every so often I would shake the test tube to mix up the contents.

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After about ten minutes, the candy was more or less dissolved into the ethanol. A bit more time and a few more shakes and it was all dissolved.

I poured this brew into a 10ml syringe and added additional ethanol to fill it up.

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Basically, I ended up with a five to one mixture. You need at least this amount of ethanol for the lipids (the fats) and plant extracts to thoroughly dissolve into.

The syringe was dropped into a drinking glass along with a couple of .22 micron syringe filters and placed in my kitchen freezer running at a bit lower that 0 degrees F. There it sat for some 24 hours.

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The next day I retrieved the glass, removed the cap from the syringe and attached one of the filters. With steady, slow pressure I squeezed... drop by drop, until almost all the solution was sitting in another candle jar.

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Winterization Method #1: Part Two

What was left sitting in the syringe was the waxes, cannabis lipids and unwanted plant extracts.

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This fatty mucus is what you breath into your lungs, along with any chemical additives you or your dispensary have added to make your vaping that much more "pleasurable".

Not very appealing, is it?

I think "yuck" pretty much describes it.

The candle jar was placed atop my Poormans Rotovap and taped down to keep it from sliding around.

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I adjusted the vibration to cause a strong agitation in the solution but not so intense that it was spitting up and out of the jar.

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There it sat, with my checking it from time to time with the flame test.* After about an hour I had no more flame outs so that indicated to me the ethanol was completely gone... or as gone as it was going to be.

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I pulled up what remained in the candle jar into a 3ml syringe. As it turned out, I ended up with about one millileter of pure cannabis concentrate. Enough to fill two standard .5 gram cartridges, although I prefer not to fill them all the way. I find I get a better result by just covering the wick. With the Liberty 9 carts, I will probably fill them all the way... .5 grams.

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Visually, I think you can see the difference between the solution in the test tube and what is now in this syringe. Under the microscope it's like night and day. The early solution is cloudy with small bits of grey crud filling the image. The latter is as clear as can be.

This is about as good as it gets, IMHO. A cannabis concentrate that is clean, pure and completely safe to vape. About all anyone can ask for, and, frankly should be entitled to.

I'm pleased, very pleased.

Hopefully, the rest of you vape lovers will take all this to heart and keep yourselves safe. I'm a lot older than probably most all of you folks. I didn't make it this far by being stupid.



*Performing the flame test:

You will need a paper clip (one with no plastic sheath). Open it up and put a small hook or loop in one end. Bend it so the loop will be flat with the top of the candle jar. You just want to pull up enough of a sample for the test to be obvious, one way the other.

You can practice using clean ethanol so you can see what happens. Dip the wire into the ethanol and take it out. Quickly, move the open flame from your lighter up underneath the sample. As you get to within about half an inch, you will see the sample flame out. Much like lighting a gas pilot light. That is the ethanol burning away. That's what you want to not see happen.

When you test the sample finally clear of ethanol, instead of the flame out you will just see the cannabis concentrate burn away like it's supposed to. It's really that simple.
 
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I must tell you, once you have experienced pure cannabis extract vaping there is no going back. There is just no comparison between vaping a pure, unadulterated product and one that contains lipids and, perhaps, chemicals additives like PG, VG and PEG.

Last night was my second experience with the pure concentrate I made. What I notice first and foremost is how very smooth and pleasant the vaping is. There is absolutely no throat hit or harshness when I inhale. That was something I disliked about my earlier attempts using purchased additives/thinners.

What is also noticeable is how little vapor is exhaled. I realize, now, those gigantic clouds I see folks blowing out on YouTube videos have to be the result of adding chemicals to their product. You don't get that from vaping a pure concentrate. Who needs it anyway?

The AK-47 strain, so far the only one I have any experience with, tends to come on slowly taking several minutes to create a full body feeling of calm and well being. Very potent when it does take affect.

I'm now interested in experimenting with various vape pens and cartridges. My battery has only one voltage at 3.5v. I plan to order one that has three voltages. I feel, with the lipids removed, I may get an even better result by vaping at a lower voltage and thus a lower temperature. They make batteries that offer 2.4 volts as a selection.
 

Ringodoggie

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Premium user
I don't understand how you can soak your stuff in alcohol and then call it unadulterated or pure. It's full of ethanol residue.

No offense. It's been a great thread and I enjoyed it. But, if you wanted it pure, you needed to take it right off the parchment and put it in the vape. As soon as you added the another crap, IMO you ruined it.

Looks awesome on the parchment. I agree that fresh is the way to press. I don't think it's really any better or stronger but it sure does look beautiful.

Again, nice job. Nice thread. Too bad about the alcohol. ;)
 
I don't understand how you can soak your stuff in alcohol and then call it unadulterated or pure. It's full of ethanol residue.

You are not correct. The ethanol was removed. Ethanol (at 190 proof is 95% alcohol by volume) leaves no residue behind.

Had I used the candy directly with out processing I'd be vaping lipids. This process removes those fats making the concentrate pure. No different than what a reputable, commercial cannabis lab would be doing only on a much smaller scale for personal use.

May I suggest you educate yourself on the effects of inhaling lipids by reading this short article.

https://www.alchemiecbd.com/?page_id=5463

Glad you enjoyed the thread.
 
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Ringodoggie

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Premium user
I simply don't agree that ethanol doesn't leave something behind. The corn that's used is worse than what goes in dog food. GMO enhanced over fertilized and uncontrolled because it's not grown for food ( this coming from a close friend who is a farmer who grows the corn ). I don't believe you can distill shit out of the gmo factor. You smoke too much of that crap and you're going to start growing a tail. LMAO j/k bud.

Most of my opposition is derived from a lack of knowledge and, more than likely, some plain ignorance. However, your dealing with a guy who grinds his own wheat to make flour for his home made bread and pasta. LMAO OK, I'm just a tad over board about this stuff. Considering the tankers of alcohol and opiates that I have consumed in my life, it's rather pointless but, it's a fun hobby. LMAO

The thread was so well presented that I just have to try it. What type of vaporizer are you using. The stuff you end up with looks rather thin. Like e-juice for an e-cig or similar device.

Straight rosin is way too think for those and requires a nail, banger, cup, whatever type device.
 
I simply don't agree that ethanol doesn't leave something behind.

Ask a chemist if you don't believe me.

Most of my opposition is derived from a lack of knowledge and, more than likely, some plain ignorance.

I can't argue with that.

The stuff you end up with looks rather thin. Like e-juice for an e-cig or similar device.

The concentrate has the consistency of corn syrup and just as sticky.
 

MrBungle

Active member
What happens to those lipids when you are smoking the flower? The link you provided was not secure Mellow Yellow

Everyone has different tolerance's and different intake levels... For instance going through all of that trouble for something that might last me a week seems over kill... but if it would last me a month... well maybe it is something to think about...

how much does the dental shaker run? would a stone polisher or jewelry cleaner work?
 
What happens to those lipids when you are smoking the flower? The link you provided was not secure...

I cannot answer that. The higher temperatures involved with combustion may burn them off or make them more toxic. I can say that if you're smoking, with what we know about that, the lipids are probably the least of your worries. Consider vaping as the "safer alternative" with vaping pure concentrate the least reckless.

Apparently, that web page has issues if trying to view with a computer browser. On my iPad, it comes up clean. That's up to you, but the information presented is available by searching lipid pneumonia.

...going through all of that trouble for something that might last me a week seems over kill... but if it would last me a month... well maybe it is something to think about...

How much you end up with depends on how much you start off with. In the end, it's your lungs, your long term health that matters, yes?

how much does the dental shaker run?

$50 to $100
 
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EsterEssence

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If you mixed ethanol with your rosin you just defeated the whole purpose of making the solvent less rosin...
 
If you mixed ethanol with your rosin you just defeated the whole purpose of making the solvent less rosin...

Not sure I get your point. The ethanol is used in the final winterization process to eliminate the lipids and other impurities from the pressed candy. The ethanol is then removed leaving only pure cannabis concentrate behind.

The choice was between inhaling something that, over time, will harm me or electing not to do so.

I opted for the latter.
 
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Ringodoggie

Well-known member
Premium user
If you put ethanol in you have that foot print in your rosin, no matter how clean you think make it...

Save your breath bud. He already answered. See my post.

He knows everything

You're ignorant.

Science never changes.

I guess he forgot that 500 years ago, science thought the earth was flat.

The thread was so nice and so well done, I didn't want to trash it with arguments that can't be proved. However, in the not to distant future, 'science' is going to find out that all the butane and ethenol and other stuff everyone is smoking did more damage to us that anything Monsanto ever did.

But, let's not change this very nice thread into that.

So, Ester, A closed mind is a terrible thing to waste (your time on).

No offense to the OP. Very nicely done. Very ingenious on improvising. Love you bud. :)
 

EsterEssence

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There is a place for ethanol extraction, which I do, but not on the #1 kief that makes the killer rosin...
 
Update: Improved method for using the Puck Maker

When I started using the fresher, more recently harvested flower in my pressing I had a problem with it sticking to the puck maker I made. The trichomes are so darn gooey, I needed to use a razor to free the pucks.

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The solution was to place a piece of unbleached parchment paper between the flower and the puck parts. The piston is 1" in diameter. They make these small paper punch devices for the hobby/crafts market and they have one that makes a perfect 1" diameter punch. So, I bought one for around $10.

A bit of double-sided tape holds one paper dot to each side of the puck maker. I found it best to place the parchment between two pieces of copy paper for a cleaner punch.

Now the pucks come free with no effort.
 
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Testing the Liberty V9 cartridge

My sample Liberty V9 "510 thread-style" cartridge arrived the other day. Truly a work art, IMHO. You really have to hand it to the Chinese. The quality of the design and superb execution is second to none. How they are able to sell these so inexpensively is truly amazing. The V9 is just the latest in a long line of vape cartridges from Itsuwa. Designed for use with thicker oils, they blow the doors off the cheaper plastic carts.

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What you notice at first glance is the all metal construction and Pyrex glass chamber. The center post, removed be unscrewing the mouthpiece, gives you clear access for easy filling. A marking, etched on the glass, indicates the exact amount to add. Replacing the post, which houses the vertical ceramic coil... there is no wick... and you will have loaded exactly .5 grams in concentrate.

Just under the mouthpiece is a ring for adjusting air flow mixture. Turning it one way or the other gives you closed, two, four or six air ports. This allows external air to be mixed with the vapor.

My first try with the V9, running my pure concentrate, proved an eye opener. All I can say is, WOW! The difference is striking. The reason being those tiny little 1mm holes. They allow you to draw in air from the outside as you draw in the vapor. What that does is give you a stronger hit of vapor... way stronger.

Now, I'm not a major user by any means. I work a full time job so I can only vape in the evening after all has settled down. I usually need around four or five draws on my pen to get me relaxed and mildly stoned. In other words, I can still function. Not drive a car, but get around the house without falling on my face. That's where I want to be.

Last night was way different. With all the vents open and taking only two draws from the V9 I knew I was in for a wild ride. I could tell the vapor had gone much deeper into my lungs than anytime in the past. That additional air helped to push the vapor further and faster... like a jet engine. In no time I was flying high and my head spinning. It was a bit disconcerting. I prefer to have a better handle on my faculties, but it was fun. I stopped vaping at that point.

I will need to play with those vents and find a happy medium. I do like the V9 though. Much easier to draw from and very cool looking.
 
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Ringodoggie

Well-known member
Premium user
Mellow, do you find these (or other ceramics you have tried) have an off taste at first?

I recently switched to ceramic with glass and the 2 or 3 brands (or off brands as it is) of ceramic that I tried seemed to have a bad 'metallic' taste at first. After a while, it seems to go away.

None of the ones I tried had adjustable air flow either. I am wondering if that mixes more or just reduces air flow. It would be nice to reduce air flow. Most of the cartridges I tried don't provide enough 'resistance' for me.

I am going to buy some of these and try them out.

Thanks
 

midsummer

Member
Mello,

Excellent thread. I have begun pursuing the same goal and have learned more about wintering from you Thanks. I am thinking of making bubble hash, dissolving in everclear (I believe I can get 190 proof here in Florida). I would then filter this through a coffee filter then winterize as per you description. Any thoughts?

Just picking your brain, but for those who can only get 160 proof (80% ETOH with 20% h2O) any thoughts on how to reduce the water content?

Again thanks for all you have shared!
 

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