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Old 10-10-2018, 02:48 PM #431
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I apologise, I made a mistake: Carmaleonte is the cross I mentioned, not Chamaeleon, and it is indeed a unisex variety. I don't know anything about the lineage of Chamaeleon but would guess too that it's likely derived from Kompolti sargaszárú.
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I apologise, I made a mistake: Carmaleonte is the cross I mentioned, not Chamaeleon, and it is indeed a unisex variety. I don't know anything about the lineage of Chamaeleon but would guess too that it's likely derived from Kompolti sargaszárú.
That's okay.Wrote an email to the company who sells the seed.
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Nice! Let us know what they say !
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Nice! Let us know what they say !
They said they don't sell it anymore since several years.I did also send a mail to Hempflax, but till now no answer.

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total THC 0.2-0.8%, total CBD 1.9-4.4%. The lower values ​​were achieved earlier in the harvest, the higher values ​​in the later harvest.
So many "hemp" varieties (such as this) are just low content type II plants. A very interesting breeding strategy.
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So many "hemp" varieties (such as this) are just low content type II plants. A very interesting breeding strategy.
Excellent breeding material i would say, but its interesting how this strain would do in a coastal area where you've more humid climate.
Haven't seen any terpene profile from this old variety yet.
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The thing with "old" varieties from Switzerland is that before 1999/2000, any cannabis plant used for industrial purposes was considered hemp. Until somewhen after WWII, most farmers had a hemp plot on which they grew "their" variety year after year, it wasn't even considered a variety but it was simply hemp. In the ninetieth quite a few started to grow also commercial cannabis alongside their hemp, officially for industrial purposes such as bath additive or little bags you put in the cupboard or under your cushion for theirs smell (so called Hanfseckli). Obviously, there was a lot of hybridisation going on, either by coincidence or on purpose. First breeding approaches and some commercial fields mostly in the Ticino sprouted up around '95 but got busted in '99 and 2000. Over a decade of near extinction and de facto hemp prohibition followed. It was about 5 years ago when the CBD rush took a hold of Europe and new legislations or rather new grey-zones occurred; the time of hemp resurrection had begun. It remains mostly elusive from where and whom, all of a sudden, all those "old" varieties reoccurred. There's Pro Specie Rara which sells one variety and the official gene bank Agroscope which, allegedly, has a bunch of varieties but these aren't publicly available/accessible. There's also only a very few documentations of old distinct heirloom varieties found on the net because, as I mentioned, hemp was only hemp. Gotta go, sorry...
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What i read is that since 1975 there was a total ban on hemp in Switzerland, so if it was possible to keep some varieties, i would not know.
On the first page of this topic you wrote about a Swiss heirloom Bergnaturhanf Ladir.There was also a variety of hemp called Helvetica.

In Holland the interest in hemp came in the early 90s, but before that there was only interest in Cannabis for the marijuana and hash.

Got a mail today from Hempflax, but they don't know who sell the seeds of Chamaeleon either.
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Dam, at least you tried... Helvetica was/is a bunch of different varieties. There's one publication (IIRC it was in German) mentioning them. From my own memory, Helvetica was just 'Swiss hemp'. You know how it goes with all the drug type cannabis 'strains' and their fancy names . There's never been a ban on hemp but marijuana as long as I can remember (which isn't very long, cause at first I was too young to care and then too stoned to remember =) ). Since the '90, that was when I first came in contact with cannabis, there's always been a few hemp fields around, mostly used by farmers privately. In the meantime, they're no longer allowed to use it as fodder for their cattle whereas hemp industry slightly increased.
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Found the publication wherein the variety Helvetica is mentioned HERE.
They also mention Alp King, Swissmix (heterogeneous mix of something), and Walliser Queen. BTW it's been published in 1999 (field trials started around 1995), is in German language, and the work has been funded/done by the the Eidgenössische Forschungsanstalt für Pflanzenbau now part of Agroscope.
There hasn't been any real Swiss variety since the WWII and except for France, no hemp at all in Europe during the '60 and '70 (according to another, related publication HERE). Additionally, there's not one Swiss hemp variety found in any seedbank.
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