Hash Tincture

Hey,

I was wondering if anyone knew a gram to alcohol ratio for a tincture... I see a lot of recipe for shake or bud, but have come up short on searches related to tinctures and hash... thanks for all your help and have a great season up in the northern hemisphere!

How about a kief tincture?..couldn't find one with hash but I bet they are similar.... Add 2 grams of kief per ounce of alcohol...Run, Vodka, everclear, grain, brandy or other alcohol...Higher proof increases the extracting capability. Label and date. Put in dark glass and store in freezer. Tinctures stay potent indefinitely.

I love books. I bought a bunch about cooking with cannabis and they have been awesome.

SS

I use 22g of 25u-120u water extracted hash from leaf that has been aged an extra 3 to 4 months. Into the 22 g of hash I put 1/4 cup of everclear to liquify the hashish, this process thakes about a week of shaking the jar around with the hash. After the hash has liquified I put that mixture into 1/2 gallon of organic grade glycerin and allow to saturate over 2 months everyday moving it, shaking it. After the 2 months of sitting, I bring the mixture to 200 degres for about 4 hours , strain 3 x and bottle. Stuff comes out wickedly strong. Means you use less.

Does the hash just in suspension or is it a solution, meaning if left sitting for days/weeks does it settle out?

During the 2 month sitting period there will be seperation.

I skim off the stuff that floats to the top. I can only assume this is risidual plant material (not resin). It reminds me of the stuff the bubblebags pull out with the 160 bag.

After the skmming there isnt any seperation. But I still call it a suspension.

ok so heres a noodle scratcher....

thc binds to fat and alcohol molecules... and alcohol boils off at 78c or 173F, while water boils at 100c or 212F...

so what purpose does the heating of the tincture serve? its in so many recipes... but wouldnt the evaporating alcohol take the thc with it? and if not, does the thc just chill in suspension, freed from the alcohol, in the water?

is the boiling a method of concentration?

Old Thread Bump. Question above was unanswered and wondering if anyone has any more details/expereience on alcohol based kief tinctures.

THC is soluable in alchohol but is not chemically bound to it -same as salt in water.

for a wonderful tincture
you need

50g of 70 - 90 bubble hash powdered

add to 12oz veg glycerine

let sit in warm area for 1year

strain and enjoy yor meds.

This is made for a few very lucky patients

none of that 1oz leaf per 8oz glycerine shitty wannbe tincture crap
sold at most USA dispensaries

this is real mmj meds

growclean said:

Old Thread Bump. Question above was unanswered and wondering if anyone has any more details/expereience on alcohol based kief tinctures.

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I've made Everclear kief tinctures several times and find that evaporating off the alcohol during extraction should be avoided because it reduces the ethanol content (the proof), which is detrimental to extraction and to absorption by the body. I do heat my tincture in a hot water bath to accelerate the extraction, but I keep it capped loosely to minimize evaporation.

Simple Everclear kief tincture recipe

1. Decarb kief: Preheat oven to 300F. Spread 1.5g of kief evenly on nonstick cooking parchment. Turn off oven, insert kief, and bake for 5 minutes, until golden and aromatic.

2. Alcohol extraction: Pour decarbed kief into a small glass bottle with cap. An empty mini liquor bottle works well. Add 1 fl oz (30ml) of Everclear. Swirl the bottle around in a barely boiling water bath for 15 minutes, capped loosely to minimize evaporation (caution: do not cap the bottle tightly). Remove from heat and allow bottle to cool, capped tightly and swirling often. The volume should be nearly unchanged from the start.

3. Decanting and rerunning: Allow the kief to settle to the bottom, then decant the liquid into a medicine dropper bottle, leaving the wet kief in the first bottle. Add 0.5 fl oz (15ml) of fresh Everclear to the kief and repeat the extraction process in step 2. Continue steeping the second batch at room temperature for days if desired, swirling periodically.

Combine the weaker second batch with the stronger first batch if desired, or keep them separate. The above recipe yields 40-45ml of tincture (minus any liquid retained by the kief dregs), with one dose equal to 2ml (2 droppers full). Modify and scale the recipe after you get comfortable with it.

Thanks darklands, going to try that on a little larger scale soon. That is what I was looking for. I will post some results in a couple of weeks....

Some good recipes in here, thanks for the info peoples.

much love

Darklands -

If you have turned the active cannabinoids into a vapor, "decarb"... Then what are you trapping in the alcohol?

When making a tincture, the point is to absorb the cannabinoids in the liver...thus you never need nor want to turn the cannabinoids to a gaseous state. It is why you use a candy thermometer and keep the solution under/at 176° F. The point of using alcohol at all is as a solvent. The evaporation of the liquid alcohol is how you concentrate and leave a purer cannabinoid substance...

The steps above, forgive me, go against all I know for making an effective tincture...


dank.Frank

42ndupchuck said:

ok so heres a noodle scratcher....

thc binds to fat and alcohol molecules... and alcohol boils off at 78c or 173F, while water boils at 100c or 212F...

so what purpose does the heating of the tincture serve? its in so many recipes... but wouldnt the evaporating alcohol take the thc with it? and if not, does the thc just chill in suspension, freed from the alcohol, in the water?

is the boiling a method of concentration?

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The heating of the tincture causes Decarboxylation

Details:

There are carboxyl-group containing cannabinoids like cannabigerolic acid, cannabidiolic acid, which is an oxidocyclized version of cannabigerolic acid, and tetrahydrocannabinolic acid, that when they lose thier respective carboxyl group, become psychoactive.

Although all the pharmacologic literature I've read has focused on THCa, CBDa and CBGa, there are more phytocannabinoids that have a carboxyl group in them - who, after being decarboxylated - become psychoactive compounds. Nothing has shown CC's (carboxyl cannabinoids) to potentiate recreational use more then the same phytocannabinoids would as decarboxylated compounds. THIS is why you decarboxylate, to convert your THCa, CBDa, and CBGa all into non-acid forms, our beloved psychoactive compounds. So now that you know why to decarboxylate, here's how:

I usually heat the plant material or hash/kief in the oven at 160 degrees for 25 minutes.

If it smells more dank after the oven decarboxylation than before, and crumbles very easily, its decarboxylated.

some like to micro wave:
Microwave each set of 3 grams, for about 1 minute, 30 seconds to 2 minutes each. This is decarboxylation.

On the second batch, re-microwave for 1 minute to finish off.

Microwaving cannabis is safer then touching your cannabis with your hand.

If you’re decarboxylating small batches at a time you should learn how to do it in your microwave. And if it works one day, go extra time the next time. You’ll see its harder then you think to ‘burn up’ or ‘destroy’ any active cannabinoids in the microwave. Your herb will smell stronger, more pungent and crumble with ease when it’s decarboxylated - oven OR microwave method.

Enjoy.

dank.frank said:

If you have turned the active cannabinoids into a vapor, "decarb"... Then what are you trapping in the alcohol?

When making a tincture, the point is to absorb the cannabinoids in the liver...thus you never need nor want to turn the cannabinoids to a gaseous state. It is why you use a candy thermometer and keep the solution under/at 176° F. The point of using alcohol at all is as a solvent. The evaporation of the liquid alcohol is how you concentrate and leave a purer cannabinoid substance...

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Decarbing the kief in an oven for a short time at the right temp doesn't vaporize cannabinoids. People have different opinions about whether decarbing is necessary, but I consider it more effective than using "raw" kief.

As for evaporating the alcohol, I don't need to concentrate my tincture any further, since my standard dosage is only 2ml, which is too small to cause the inebriating effects of alcohol. Evaporating the tincture merely raises the percentage of water in it. Unfortunately, water doesn't deliver THC to your liver as well as alcohol does. And as you know, when making a tincture, the point is to absorb the cannabinoids in the liver.

Friends many thanks for all your great information here. There are many recipies across out Internet and I researched this a couple years ago when doing a concoction of my own.
I used a couple ounces of good trim, soaked those in 151 rpoof rum for two weeks at room temp. I did evaporate off most of the alcohol by warming the mixture on top my wood stove for a couple hours-stay away from open flame highly recommended! I then scraped up the black hash oil type residue that was left and infused it into a quart of honey. The honey was heated and the goo mixed in thouroughly. It is quite potent in hot teas etc.
I also use bubble by flaking off a small chunk of the hash, melting it into honey by heating a tablespoon of honey and palcing the hash into it while heating, until bubbly, then mixing into a hot tea. I might caution peeps as some of these can be overly potent and you should use small amounts until you find the dosage that works for you, we're all diferent.


As for hash tincture, I had this saved in my research and I'm very sorry I don't know where I obtained it, RIP Dr. Jay.

TINCTURE
By our deeply respected and sorely missed friend "Dr. Jay"
National Director Of The American Alliance for Medical Cannabis
2001-2005

Many patients who utilize and benefit from medical cannabis do not wish to smoke due to the perceived health hazards of smoking or for other personal reasons.
These patients are in something of a bind.
Smoking cannabis delivers the active cannabinoids within seconds.
Medicine is absorbed in the lungs and goes directly to the brain and general circulation.
The same effect can be achieved with a vaporizer, which is safer than smoking burning vegetable matter. Since the effects of inhaled cannabis are so quick, it is easy for patients to titrate their dose by simply waiting a minute or two in between puffs.

Oral cannabis, such as our Better Bud Butter, is absorbed in a very different fashion from smoking or inhalation.
The GI tract gradually absorbs Cannabinoids over the course of one to two hours.
Medicine is processed first by the liver, which converts some cannabinoids such as delta nine to delta 11 version of THC.
Orally delivered cannabis requires four to ten times the amount of the smoked version in order to achieve the same effect.
Orally delivered cannabis can present a problem in achieving the required or desired dose level in any consistent fashion.

Tincture is designed to address the problems of rapid medicine delivery and consistent dosing.
Most tinctures are made to be used under the tongue or sublingually. English pharmaceutical companies are presently working on a cannabis extract "spray" that can be used under the tongue in a similar fashion.
These sprays are not expected to be approved for use in the United States for years and will be very expensive.
Absorption by the arterial blood supply under the tongue is completed in seconds.
One trick is to not swallow the dose as, if swallowed, absorption will be in the GI tract.
Many patients, though, add their tincture to a cup of tea or cranberry juice for easy delivery.
When tincture is used in a beverage, absorption will be slower than if absorbed under the tongue.
While tincture absorbed in an empty stomach is accomplished in minutes, conversion in the liver remains, as does the difficulty in titrating dose. Usually, a tincture dose is delivered by means of a medicine dropper or a teaspoon.
A rule of thumb on dose is that patients receive benefit from 3-4 drops to a couple of full droppers depending upon the potency of the tincture and the patient’s own unique requirements among other factors.

The methods listed below will detail two major methods of preparing tincture. While the methods are optimized for purity and potency, ultimately these will largely be determined by the purity and potency of the cannabis from which the tincture is made.
Another item of note in regard to starting material for tincture is the patient or caregiver selection of strain.
A rough rule of thumb is to select Indica dominant strains for cramping and muscle spasticity and Sativa dominant strains for pain relief.
The reality, though, is often that the strain is unknown or not well characterized.
Trial and error is usually required to acquire the appropriate strain and the proper dose level.



General Rules:

Tincture is an extraction of active cannabinoids from plant material. Cannabis contains many chemicals that can either upset the stomach or taste nasty. One of the goals of extraction is to secure the cannabinoids while leaving out as many of the terpenes and chlorophylls as possible. Both heat and light adversely effect cannabinoids and should be avoided or minimized. Tincture should be stored in airtight dark glass containers kept at room temperature or below. Avoid plastic containers. The ethanol in the tincture may solubilize some of the free vinyls in the plastic.

Cold Method with Ethanol

Making tincture cold preserves the integrity of cannabinoids. To be potent, this method requires starting material high in cannabinoid content such as flowers or kief made from trim and leaf. The material must be mold free and dry. Drying can be accomplished in the freezer (-4-10 degrees Celsius) or better yet by placing in a liquid proof bag into a dry ice/ethanol ice bath (-70 degrees Celsius). Once water has been removed then the surface area of the starting material requires expansion. This can be accomplished a number of ways but two ways stand out:

Using flowers (bud)-
Place dried buds in a coffee grinder and pulse until thoroughly ground but not powdered.

Making kief-
Rub dry trim and leaves over a silk screen. Collect the powder the comes through the screen. It should be a very pale green. "Kiefing" is an age old way of extracting trichomes from plant material.

Whether kief or ground bud is used both should kept ice cold for this preparation. Similarly, the ethanol to be used should also be ice cold throughout the process.

Selection of alcohol-
ethanol or ethyl alcohol is the form of alcohol that can be used by humans. The proof listed on commercial alcohol refers to the percentage of ethanol that the beverage contains. The proof is twice the percentage, so 80 "proof" means that the mixture contains 40% ethanol. The higher the alcohol content used, the better the extraction will work. Ideally, 200 proof ethanol would be best except that ethanol cannot be distilled to this proof so benzene is used to remove the last vestiges of water. This makes "pure" ethanol poisonous.

Many folks use "Everclear" which stands at 190 proof or 95% ethanol. Everclear has no taste. Apparently, Everclear is not available in all States. A close second choice is 151 proof rum. This is a light amber liquid that is 75% ethanol that has a sweet taste. One of our caregiver writers will use nothing but Korbel brandy because she likes the taste. Others use iced Russian vodka. These "normal" distilled spirits are 40% to 50% ethanol. Some patients find that the higher proofs ethanols like Everclear and 151 rum burn too much under the tongue. If burning is a concern consider a high quality 90-100 proof Vodka.

Cold Extraction and purification-
Use at least one ounce of starting material to each pint of ethanol. Place cold powdered kief or ground cannabis flowers together with ethanol in a glass quart-mixing jar. Close the jar tightly and vigorously shake for five minutes then return to the freezer. Continue to agitate the mixture every few hours with refreezing. Continue for a period of two to three days.

Pour the cold mixture through a double thickness of sterile cheesecloth. Save the cheesecloth "ball" for topical uses or use the material to make bud butter once dried. The liquid collected through the cheesecloth should then be filtered twice through a paper coffee filter. Use gloves throughout the process, as it is necessary to squeeze the cheesecloth and coffee filters to facilitate the extraction. Without gloves some of the material will be absorbed on the skin.

If Everclear is used the tincture will be pale green to golden. If 151 rum is used an amber tincture results. Dark green tinctures mean that excess plant material is present. This does not mean that the tincture will not be potent, just taste nasty. When Everclear is used, various flavor extracts may be added (vanilla, raspberry, etc.). Be careful to use only a few drop of flavor extract.

Traditional or Warm Method
The old fashioned (and effective) way to make tincture from trim, leaf or "shake" is to grind the plant material to expose surface area. A fine grind is not needed and will just make the tincture cloudy. A rough chop will do. Most folks can’t afford to use kief or bud for tincture but may have leaf handy. If so, this is the way to go. Use ethanol as described above in the same proportions. The key difference is that in this preparation the materials are kept warm (not hot). Light must be avoided.

Place the ethanol and chopped cannabis in a large glass Mason jar. Shake at least once a day. Place the jar in a brown paper bag or otherwise shield the jar from light. Leave in a warm spot (near a window) for 30-60 days. The mixture will turn a very dark green. Strain as previously described through cheesecloth. Save the "shake ball" for topical applications.

While this method produces a nasty tasting tincture, it is powerful. It may upset some fragile stomachs. It is recommended that Warm Tincture be used orally in cranberry juice or coffee with sugar. Keep the filtered tincture in light blocking glass jars or bottles in a cool dry place (refrigerator or freezer is fine). The shake ball should also be kept in the freezer. For topical applications, just take out the cold shake ball and apply a few drops of fresh tincture to the cloth then hold it on the affected area for a few minutes with gentle rubbing.

Thats good reading Doobieduck.

I just made a cold processed batch Using 1.5 oz. of Everclear and 4 grams of some fine Lifesaver and Sour Strawberry Kush bubble hash.

Dissolved for two days and strained through 2 coffee filters.

Dosed with 2 drops under the tongue about 20 minutes ago and there is a nice warm body buzz coming on and I feel no need to pack a fresh bowl.

Whenever I made butter in the past, it was all ways potent--but it also never agreed with my stomach.

So far so good, Thanks again DD for posting up that info.

caljim said:

Thats good reading Doobieduck.

I just made a cold processed batch Using 1.5 oz. of Everclear and 4 grams of some fine Lifesaver and Sour Strawberry Kush bubble hash.

Dissolved for two days and strained through 2 coffee filters.

Dosed with 2 drops under the tongue about 20 minutes ago and there is a nice warm body buzz coming on and I feel no need to pack a fresh bowl.

Whenever I made butter in the past, it was all ways potent--but it also never agreed with my stomach.

So far so good, Thanks again DD for posting up that info.

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ya i have the same problem with butter and oil.. i get a crazy stomach ache and shit my brains out .. its wierd.. but any other is fine lol.. i need to make a tincture ASAP as fast as possible. i got a cancer patient thats like Dieing.. and she wants to be able to eat.. so we are tryn to help her with our trim from our last few harvesst.