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Old 07-26-2018, 12:03 AM #41
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Beekeeping my first year this year. Very rewarding. And one more reason to educate people about the truth.
Awesome you'll find beekeeping an immensely rewarding experience.
Buy the book Natural Beekeeping: Organic Approaches to Modern Apiculture, 2nd Edition.
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The best, most comprehensive book on beekeeping. Worth every penny. If you're a beekeeper or thinking about beekeeping, or interested in the subject you must own this book.
I know it sounds negative but buying this book convinced me not to get back into beekeeping this year. he amount of care required to survive Colony Collapse Disorder is more then I can handle with my current health. The days when you could put a swarm in a hive, toss on a few boxes, and check it once a month are over. Now you need to check it every couple weeks, test for Varroa Mites regularly, replace your queen probably every year, rotate boxes regularly, plus a bunch of other stuff.
When I was beekeeping I never replaced my queens. The colony would naturally die off after 3 or 4 years. I quit right when colony collapse disorder was starting, my bees were starting to die off every two years. My buddy I mentored, who was trying to keep bees 5 years ago, lost his hives every winter.
The good news is that progress is being made and if you follow the methods in that book along with the good information you can find on the internet you will have a much greater rate of success. Of course banning Round Up would be a huge boost for beekeepers everywhere but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Old 07-26-2018, 12:30 AM #42
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You are not the first beekeeper I have talked to that quit or scaled back due to losing bees. Everyone of them believes systemic pesticides to be the biggest cause. I actual am learning from a friend who breeds queens. Which helps. But he still has suffered losses every winter. Its a skill I want to learn. So far I am very interested and soaking up info. I bought package bees and used a friends equipment. And a few hives are really packing in some honey. The others are a little behind. I put most of them at a couple of farms and one in my city yard. Which is outproducing all the rest. The kids love having it there.

Was a little sad when I realized they will not pollenate alot of my vegetable garden because they prefer to fly furthur. I see a few working now and then. I think I am going to get either mason bees or bumble bees in the spring. They won't make me any honey but will do a better job at pollenating a fenced in lot because the do not fly far.
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I wonder what Monsanto people would say if a crop duster sprayed their homes?

Something tells me they would be crying they got poisoned.
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Glyphosate kills green and growing plants.
Neonictinoids kills insects.
Know your enemy.
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Glysophate doesn't directly kill bees like neonictinoids do, it destroys their sense of direction. They fly out of the hive and can't find their way back. It kills the lactobacillus and bifidobacterium bacteria in their gut that ferments honey. Glysophate affects crops making them unable to uptake micronutrients that bees need. And of course eliminates the 'weeds' that contain the protein, vitamins and minerals that bees need. If all a colony has to eat is, for instance, almond nectar and pollen they'll be malnourished. It's the same as humans only having almonds to eat.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0c3276fb7831c

The reason it's taken scientists so long, 15 years, to diagnose the cause of colony collapse disorder is that it's not one disease. I've talked about this in different threads in different contexts but the natural world doesn't work like an on/off sick/healthy good/bad switch. It's more complicated. Bees are dying off from a combination of diseases spread through modern farming practices like migratory beekeeping, and poor nutrition, a barrage of pesticides herbicides, and other man-made chemicals, GMOs. Hives get hit from so many angles they aren't strong enough to survive the winter. Or the bee equivalent of a common cold.
When the EPA approves a chemical it tests whether that chemical is toxic or not. It doesn't test what it's effects are when combined with other common chemicals in the environment. It's not unusual for testers to find over a dozen different chemicals in honey samples from bee hives. I'd be curious what the toxicity would be if you combined all the chemicals used on a large farm and found in honey, and whether it would be approved for human consumption.
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Monsanto is sold to bayer.

https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Monsanto-sold-to-Bayer

so...why was gyphospate found in tampons and feminine napkins?

is that a close relationship with were contraception is?

The potential health implications from glyphosate are mounting, and it’s been linked to cancer by the World Health Organization (WHO). And this is what millions of women are exposing themselves unknowingly to every day.
https://actions.sumofus.org/a/what-i...ing-in-tampons


DID AMERICA AND THE ALLIES WIN THE WAR? OR DID THE SECRETS FROM HITLERS BUNKER WIN OVER THE MINDS OF MEN?

I.G. Farben was the big corporation that owned the Auschwitz concentration death camps.
I.G. Farben was a merger between Bayer, BASF, AGFA, Hoechst, and some more companies. Some financiers of Hitlers Nazi party were Krupp, Thyssen and Royal Dutch Shell. The American Standard Oil (later Esso) owned half of I.G. Farben.
The criminal I.G. Farben and others made huge profits of the cheap slave labor in the concentration camps. This is an awful crime. Today these companies, ThyssenKrupp, Bayer etc are super big.

https://www.carlg.org/engnazi_crimes2.html
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Glysophate doesn't directly kill bees like neonictinoids do, it destroys their sense of direction. They fly out of the hive and can't find their way back. It kills the lactobacillus and bifidobacterium bacteria in their gut that ferments honey. Glysophate affects crops making them unable to uptake micronutrients that bees need. And of course eliminates the 'weeds' that contain the protein, vitamins and minerals that bees need. If all a colony has to eat is, for instance, almond nectar and pollen they'll be malnourished. It's the same as humans only having almonds to eat.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0c3276fb7831c

The reason it's taken scientists so long, 15 years, to diagnose the cause of colony collapse disorder is that it's not one disease. I've talked about this in different threads in different contexts but the natural world doesn't work like an on/off sick/healthy good/bad switch. It's more complicated. Bees are dying off from a combination of diseases spread through modern farming practices like migratory beekeeping, and poor nutrition, a barrage of pesticides herbicides, and other man-made chemicals, GMOs. Hives get hit from so many angles they aren't strong enough to survive the winter. Or the bee equivalent of a common cold.
When the EPA approves a chemical it tests whether that chemical is toxic or not. It doesn't test what it's effects are when combined with other common chemicals in the environment. It's not unusual for testers to find over a dozen different chemicals in honey samples from bee hives. I'd be curious what the toxicity would be if you combined all the chemicals used on a large farm and found in honey, and whether it would be approved for human consumption.



Awesome post bud. You're obviously very well informed. Thanks
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I would think that few would be better informed on the issue of on going dioxin based birth defects than those who spent time with and around such things.
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Yeah, just look at how Henry Ford was best buddies with Adolf,(along with the British/German Royal family) and the US Banks/Financiers that funded the nazi's and helped built Germany up so that they could wage war again......and all along those big corporations were helping and pushing both sides into creating WW11 after they made a mint on WW1,......they killed 2 birds with one stone by 'Thinning out the Herd' (killing many-many millions of mostly poor people), and making the banksters and their corporations even more wealthy.

....and they have been behind most wars, proxy or otherwise ever since.

So I don't reckon that they have any conscience at all about serving up this roundup to the masses.


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Monsanto is sold to bayer.

https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Monsanto-sold-to-Bayer

so...why was gyphospate found in tampons and feminine napkins?

is that a close relationship with were contraception is?

The potential health implications from glyphosate are mounting, and it’s been linked to cancer by the World Health Organization (WHO). And this is what millions of women are exposing themselves unknowingly to every day.
https://actions.sumofus.org/a/what-i...ing-in-tampons


DID AMERICA AND THE ALLIES WIN THE WAR? OR DID THE SECRETS FROM HITLERS BUNKER WIN OVER THE MINDS OF MEN?

I.G. Farben was the big corporation that owned the Auschwitz concentration death camps.
I.G. Farben was a merger between Bayer, BASF, AGFA, Hoechst, and some more companies. Some financiers of Hitlers Nazi party were Krupp, Thyssen and Royal Dutch Shell. The American Standard Oil (later Esso) owned half of I.G. Farben.
The criminal I.G. Farben and others made huge profits of the cheap slave labor in the concentration camps. This is an awful crime. Today these companies, ThyssenKrupp, Bayer etc are super big.

https://www.carlg.org/engnazi_crimes2.html
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