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Old 04-05-2019, 03:23 AM #11
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hydrocarbon crash course

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aromatics and cyclics

Some videos I found helpful in trying to understand all of this. I'm really glad I saw this debate because I realized I didn't even really know what a terpene was.
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hydrocarbon crash course

alkenes & alkynes crash course

aromatics and cyclics

Some videos I found helpful in trying to understand all of this. I'm really glad I saw this debate because I realized I didn't even really know what a terpene was.
Thanks brother! Good crash course.

A mnemonic trick I use for remembering the groups and first four Alkanes, is "Mary Eats Peanut Butter." The rest follow the Greek alphabet. IE: Pent, Hex, Hept, Oct, etc....................

Mary/Methane/methyl, Eats/Ethane/ethyl, Peanut/Propane/Pentyl, Butter/Butane/Butyl.

For ya'll just starting out, or like myself took organic chemistry around the middle of the previous century, the book "Organic Chemistry for Dummies" is a good summary.

Especially those of ya'll that don't ponder and memorize as fast as the professor talks and don't feel confident passing a test after watching it once or twice.

Available as quick reference if you need to go back and check something later.

You can always order it on line, or pick it up from the local book store as a "birthday gift for a friend" and then hide it a book dust cover from another more impressive title that glazes folks eyes over, if you have an image to protect.

Another book more directly related to plant Alkanes, Alkenes, and Alkynes, is "Essential Oil Safety", by Tisserand, and Young.

It provides a good overview of where the plant terpenes and terpenoids come from, as well as attendant safety concerns as of the Second editions printing of 2014.
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Ditto on that thanks... nice links.
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Triethyl citrate is a food grade flavorless/odorless terpene based dilutent.
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Triethyl citrate is a food grade flavorless/odorless terpene based dilutent.

C12H20O7 Triethyl citrate is actually an ester of C6H8O7 citric acid as opposed to a terpene.
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are all terpenes equal in regards to how they effect the human body including when applied with heat and drawn into the lungs?





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Chemical and biological studies of β-carotene after exposure to Cannabis sativa smoke
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I totally have this problem with all dilutants. Eating something is way different than smoking or vaping it. And, so little testing has been done.

It makes me wonder if nature really ever intended us to smoke pot. The Bible speaks of topicals using it and there are many events in ancient history indicating edibles made with cannabis but has there ever been evidence that man smoked pot in ancient times? I wonder.

Smoking just about anything involves a ton of carbon going into your lungs. Can't see any real good in that. Nature doesn't usually direct us to stuff like that.

I have stopped using carts altogether until this all gets hashed out. I mostly vape rosin or flower and now that it's Spring, I enjoy sitting outside and smoking an occasional joint. Albeit, my lungs just won't take smoking of any kind any more. LOL Fucking hate old age. LOL

Interesting article on carotene. I am a big consumer of carotene since I am always starving for A and D. I live in a cave and D is hard to come by. Can never get enough A. Eggs almost every day. Just bought a jar of fish oil. Plan to try that for the first time.

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Clearly all terpenes are not equal when eaten, used in suppositories, rubbed on the skin, or inhaled.

Terpenes also break down and readily change form around 710F, and some of the biproducts are known carcinogens.

The effects burning the terpenes in the concentrations seen in plant material and vaporizing those terpenes in concentration are also different, as the poison is always in the dosage and some of the terpenes will strip paint and sanitize toilet bowls in concentration.

The truth is that there haven't been studies conducted beyond the concentrations used in aroma therapy, and many of the terpenes don't even have MSDS sheets because they have been considered, herbs, spices, and misc flavors.

I told myself that I would quit smoking cannabis when I needed glasses or went crazy, which in my case came in the form of mild COPD, so I switched to dabbing and I'm convinced that making the decision to smoke cannabis, is making the personal decision to at least expose yourself to COPD.

Based on my COPD improving some and not getting worse, I've come to believe using pure unadulterated concentrates with a temperature controlled electric nail is a better option.

Some of the concentrates samples that people give me have terpenes added back or terpenes added, which I would prefer as an adulterant as opposed to dilutants, if some care is given to what those terpenes are, and their content is kept close to the levels normally encountered in plant material.

Terpenes have their own medicinal effects, as well as adding flavor and aroma, but none of the terpenes that add flavor and aroma are particularly smooth to vaporize, so over doing it adds aroma, but at the expense of harshness.

I suspect that time will show that vaporizing and inhaling VG, PG, PEG, MCT, squalane, triethyl citrate, et all, brings with a whole different set of health issues long term.

Pages back GRAS was mentioned, but GRAS is heavily influenced by usage.

For instance, the mineral oil that started this debate is GRAS in food stuff below 5 ppm as a release agent, and you will find Sulfuric Acid on that same list.

I think we can all agree that inhaling either is insalubrious, so its GRAS status is moot.

What is needed, is long term studies in the usage at hand, which we ostensibly won't have for some time.
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