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Old 04-13-2018, 07:09 AM #151
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This post is dumb. Really fucking ignorant. I would love to share a more acurate version of my feelings but would likely get myself banned.
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Either you have no idea what you are talking about. Or you are intentionally trying to make others dumb because it hurts your feelings.

I'm pretty sure everything I say is 100% fact as far as I know it and can attest to it, and I am sure I am 100% right cause well, that's the thing about facts.

I mean... Are they coming to you?
I doubt it.

Listen. I am i support of sustainable farming. Is it perfect. No.

MMmm.. No.. NO ... LOL rofl.. It is NOT perfect. WTF??? Are you high?? Are you Amish? Like.......... Are you fucking high????????

Are you Amish?? Like............ . ... *SIGH*


Do most synthetic techniques cause damage. Yes. Either through mining or just runofff. None of this can be disputed.

Do organic techniques cause damage YES through mining AND runoff YES YES YES. Runoff is a problem regardless and REAL farms using conventional methods won't have runoff problems because they are not applying what they don't need and are using ALL the best practices you doof... Conventional farms just don't stop using compost or stop using everything we know about farming, you really don't know how nutrients are mined (generally speaking ORGANIC nutrients like potash are mined SYNTHETIC nutrients are made CLEAN AND in an ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY LAB you wack job.) Jesus christ this guy!

THIS IS FUCKING STUPID AND BORING AND 101 HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL ACADEMIC YOU ARE BORING AND DUMB PLEASE....

PLEASE... IF you're gonna challenge me... CHALLENGE ME.. like. srs kid. Stop. just. ugh.


It is not all black and white. Quit sounding ignorant. Yes. The word organic is broken. A marketing ploy now instead of a concept...

Ruined by people like you.

DERRRRR OKAY. fucking retard.

For the record..... i can grow great weed using worm shit from my food scraps. Bio char. Bokashi. Teas from herbs and sprouts . Several very sustainable way to not support monsanto or any of their inbred cousins.
rofl OKAY no one cares you grow crappy tasteless calcium deficient pot foxtaily no beaf no smell no trichs airy and lalala.

Go away an grow some totally average herb with your GH. Lol. Crap.
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Old 04-13-2018, 07:30 AM #152
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There are things we do not control, population of indigenous microbes and bacteria, BUT!! WE actually CAN control all those things..> Those populations...

all play different roles in the uptaking and the breaking down of nutrients.

SURE! But in what VOLUMES...... Microbes may have effects but it's TINY, super duper tiny in your pots, and really their effects relate to vast fields and large scale ecosystems, all those breakdown processes, happen in large fields of vast fungal mats as it were, a living ecosystem comprising of everything that that soil is and may be, including humus and many other kinds of organic matter that has been decaying for perhaps hundreds or thousands of years... THATS NOT HAPPENING IN YOUR POT INDOORS MAN!... AND...!!!, BUT it is not a one way street with microbes either, they are not just breaking down nutrients, they are eating them too, there are bad microbial populations, and

and and... Beyond mammoth P and others I could think of that are truly beneficial and worth adding AND have good data to back it up truth be told most microbes are not useful for cannabis growing and that is what I would say data on those microbes shows. Microbes that may enhance photosynthesis, be immune boosting, or have pest prevention properties are excellent to add but having read much of the literature I have on cannabis and heavy metals, and cannabis and microbes and populations of microbes supposedly great for use with cannabis, my opinion is not only are they unneeded but they will cause unnecessary uptake and accumulation of metals we do not want in the plant that would otherwise not be taken up, especially if we're going to smoke it.... And they are not increasing uptake of nutrients we want, like N or K or having immune boosting properties for the plant or something like that. So I would thus describe that as not only perhaps unnecessary but detrimental. This is for anyone to make their own call on of course who am I to say I am just a plant biologist
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Old 04-13-2018, 03:21 PM #153
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SURE! But in what VOLUMES...... Microbes may have effects but it's TINY, super duper tiny in your pots, and really their effects relate to vast fields and large scale ecosystems, all those breakdown processes, happen in large fields of vast fungal mats as it were, a living ecosystem comprising of everything that that soil is and may be, including humus and many other kinds of organic matter that has been decaying for perhaps hundreds or thousands of years... THATS NOT HAPPENING IN YOUR POT INDOORS MAN!... AND...!!!, BUT it is not a one way street with microbes either, they are not just breaking down nutrients, they are eating them too, there are bad microbial populations, and

and and... Beyond mammoth P and others I could think of that are truly beneficial and worth adding AND have good data to back it up truth be told most microbes are not useful for cannabis growing and that is what I would say data on those microbes shows. Microbes that may enhance photosynthesis, be immune boosting, or have pest prevention properties are excellent to add but having read much of the literature I have on cannabis and heavy metals, and cannabis and microbes and populations of microbes supposedly great for use with cannabis, my opinion is not only are they unneeded but they will cause unnecessary uptake and accumulation of metals we do not want in the plant that would otherwise not be taken up, especially if we're going to smoke it.... And they are not increasing uptake of nutrients we want, like N or K or having immune boosting properties for the plant or something like that. So I would thus describe that as not only perhaps unnecessary but detrimental. This is for anyone to make their own call on of course who am I to say I am just a plant biologist
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I would appreciate if you could edit your post because as it is you are putting words in my mouth. I re-quoted your post properly above.

First you say microbes and bacteria do nada, but mammoth P works?

I said I was done here but your mis quote and non sense are frustrating. You have no idea how I grow, the soil I have in my pot comes from a vast field full of humus, fungi, indigenous microbes and bacteria, etc ....

Stop assuming stuff.



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... naturally all have its place in the circle, and the time to develop. but in a closed system, quite big difference to wait to those processes, and play roulette to let the most active fungus or bacteria colonize your substrate, or organic hydro .. or you are adding the selected culture and use it like trichoderma or whatever beneficial thing do you use...

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i do agree thats its quite rude to misquote people or add words to their quotes they didnt say. it's way too confusing and misrepresents the situation. you are supposed to put your reply outside the quotes
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Old 04-14-2018, 11:12 PM #156
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fyi 'heavy metals' are essential plant nutrients, there's a reason they're added. All healthy soul has 'heavy metals' in it.
For sure man, I'm just concerned with the 5 main heavy metals that are attributed to major health issues. Arsenic, Cadmium, Mercury, Lead, and Nickel.

Cannabis is a dynamic accumulator and holds on to everything it can in the soil, or water. So you're smoking those metals it has taken in, you can't flush that out, metals aren't salts. So when you are making concentrates and smoking concentrates, you are therefore further concentrating the heavy metals the plant has up taken (and cannabis takes up everything in the soil, it is a dynamic accumulator). I'm not saying its possible to avoid heavy metal uptake, just saying to keep this in mind with the nutrient selection at hand when you're pushing your plants for max yield.

Here's what the CDC and EPA has to say about these 5 metals:

Cadmium - https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=46&tid=15

Arsenic - https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=18&tid=3

Mercury - https://www.epa.gov/mercury/health-e...osures-mercury

Lead - https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/lead/health.html

Nickel - https://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/phs/phs.asp?id=243&tid=44
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Old 04-15-2018, 12:24 AM #157
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For sure man, I'm just concerned with the 5 main heavy metals that are attributed to major health issues. Arsenic, Cadmium, Mercury, Lead, and Nickel.
Have you checked your box of azomite or realized how leonardite is produced?
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Have you checked your box of azomite or realized how leonardite is produced?
I know DownToEarth's Azomite has quite high metal numbers, but the Azomite company's Azomite metal levels aren't as high and are much safer.

I need to learn about the leonardite processing, I'm not sure how they do it here locally, but I do have a local source and I'm not sure of its contents or how it is produced. I'm sure its a byproduct of the coal mine so I'm sure its loaded with arsenic since most other labeled humates are. I do know that the Morningstar Humate is OMRI listed, though this means little.
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Whew, now is a good time for a thread summary:

1. Monsanto does not own General Hydroponics or Botanicare.
2. Scotts owns General Hydroponics and Botanicare.
3. Scotts has a distribution deal with Monsanto for Round Up.
4. Scotts does not own Monsanto.
5. Monsanto does not own Scotts.
6. Scotts does not own Round Up.
7. Monsanto is a separate company that has nothing to do with General Hydroponics and Botanicare.
8. Old white dudes on forums act like little bitches.
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:09 AM #160
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First you say microbes and bacteria do nada, but mammoth P works?
You keep nitpicking and misreading posts WHY is it organic or microbe heads seem to always do this??

Fields are different from pots.... Like someone mentioned... RAINFORESTS are WAY different from pots. lol. All soils are different as it is.. Fields are all different.

I'd be hard pressed to think you'd want any of those heavy duty rain forest microbes in your pots breaking down your roots as your plant grows... And then dies... lol.. from microbes eating their roots.

AND are any of you guys using those microbes on your soils??? Maybe some... Do you STILL get a soil test to make sure you're on point like real farmers will do and then add as necessary or just go willy nilly??

I'm bettin in Willy he's got he looks he's got the pizzaz!

Look I never said mammoth 100% works, but yeah it likely is doing what is claimed, which is beneficial for you to add... Is it doing what is claimed in the VOLUMES they claim, do you get that much yield... Well no ones really done actual INDEPENDENT tests, the claims are claims made by the manufacturer, but I'll give them a lot of credit they did a good study, but I would like to see replication, lots of replication.

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Yeah and you have to add in fertilizer and do all these things to your pots. SO WHAT. No I dont have to know how you grow to know what is happening in your pots and with your plants cause I DO know how you grow and what is happening and what is doing the heavy lifting and what is working for you and not and what is important versus what is not and so on.... You are adding all this stuff from your yard SO? That doesn't mean anything. If you think it does you're wack. What it does tell me is that you have no idea (likely) what you are adding, have you tested those soil contents and amended (HA!) as necessary, and so on. LOL... Are you adding heavy duty rainforest microbes specially cultivated and evolved over millions of years to break down materials in short times? Do any of us grow in highly bioproductive rainforests where organic breakdown IS so fast and thus actually kinda uncommon to rare so it's kinda a non-starter in terms of whats actually going on with cannabis and how we grow it where we grow it (see why I DONT bother mentioning things based on a level of rudimentary logic I would assume other growers work upon)? And do you have a large enough colony count of these rainforest microbes to even do anything versus the dominant populations already present in your soil(LESS) medias... No.. The other guy was using them, not you. Hmmmm. Ohhh boy..
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