Coughie
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I've been meaning to do this for a while now, since my original thread was derailed, hijacked and ultimately deleted..
I'm a pretty vibrant color, but I know there's crayons in the box that are brighter than I.. And I've been wanting to appeal to those with that knowledge, hoping that some kind folks here will help me "do this right the first time"..
First off, I understand that this is the beginning of years worth of work, and that's how I've designed it. This is my love, this is what I want..
In order to get this ball rolling in the right direction, I'm going to quote myself:
This is all still pretty much the plan, but I'd like to start this thread off with approaching the Coughie seedline in particular..
I'll have ample questions about landraces, segregating families, when/how/what to recombine later, and what sorts of matchings might make the best landrace hybrids, for which I'm relying quite heavily on The Real Seed Company's 'untamed' releases.. But that's another day, soon..
This is what I'm focused on tackling first:
The Back Story:
As I stated earlier, the Coughie x NL5H is completed,
And the Coughie x Velvet Rush is underway right now
I've heard from a few folks who were concerned with this plan and me losing the original "Coughie" plant amongst all the crosses.. And I hear you.. But the plant I ended up with, is very-little like her mother... This is definitely an out-cross/accidental pollination, but I have great suspense that the original bag was something Bubba-based..
Coughie, the plant, has some fruity tones, some growth structure, and (maybe someone will agree/disagree) bud structure that is reminiscent of what you'd find in a Bubba x Skunk cross.. Not my favorite thought, the Skunk, but the bud shape is reminiscent of the Katsu cut, with the flowers being more pine-cone shaped than golf-ball shaped like the Pre-98 is, even though thats what the original bag looked like - sticky golf balls.
The fruity tones are a lot akin to what I find in poor imitation Cheese that gets passed around these parts - the 'fruity' Skunk's that they try to pass off as 'Cheese' because it has that same sort of chalky smoke... But its fruit terpenes, instead of stinky feet cheese...
And Cheese is isolated from Skunk itself, yeah?
So with Coughie not being what the mother was, I'm not as concerned with losing this particular expression as I am, in chasing down that mother's expressions...
So the next natural question is - why not just cross Coughie with Bubba and find the phenos you're looking for? Which, I've considered... But if I wanted Bubba in seed form basically, I'd toss Coughie out all together and go with VerdantGreen's Bubba Kush line, and call it a day..
But I want to create something,
I want to create something appealing,
I want to create something unique,
I dont want people to see 'Coughie' and think 'Oh, it's just a Bubba line'... Nothing wrong with that, were that what I aimed for, but that's not my aim here.
Bubba is notoriously slow-growing
And also notoriously indica-expressing
I want to fashion something with more vigor, more head, the same sorts of terpene profiles, but a different experience..
And I'm going to need some help, if anyone would be so-kind..
My first set of questions pertains to these first couple of crosses, naturally..
Coughie x NL5H
Coughie x Velvet Rush
Peyote Purple x Bubba Kush
So I plan to IBL these three crosses separately from the Coughie line, after they've been put to use.. The combinations are too unique to just use for this one project and them toss them into the wind..
My first real question - How far along do I/would you IBL these three lines before moving to the next step of combinations for Coughie project?
With the Coughie x NL5Haze, I've been told that the Haze holds some of the same terpenes that I'm searching for.. So I'm hoping to isolate something that has a sativa head-kick, with those chocolate/mocha/soil terpenes
With the Coughie x Velvet Rush, I'm hoping to accentuate the fruitiness within Coughie, that I speculate came from something Skunk-ish, alongside the flower structure and stretch of Velvet Rush
With the Peyote Purple x Bubba Kush, I'm hoping to find males that are both purple and green, that have all of the soil/earthy/coffee/mocha/chocolate terpenes - more indica expressions to bring the NL5Haze and Velvet Rush counterparts back towards the 50/50 indica/sativa hybrid-expressions..
So, to restate the first question - how far would you go towards IBLing these three crosses before you'd feel (roughly, i understand, can't really know until I do it) comfortable considering proceeding to the next step?
I'm really hoping this thread doesnt get filled with bogusness, as I'd really like to bring together some bright minds if i can, and would love to eventually be able to share some of this hard work, but these things can only happen on a two-way street paved with respect.
Thanks for reading this novel,
Feel free to pitch in,
And let's see where this road leads us all~
I'm a pretty vibrant color, but I know there's crayons in the box that are brighter than I.. And I've been wanting to appeal to those with that knowledge, hoping that some kind folks here will help me "do this right the first time"..
First off, I understand that this is the beginning of years worth of work, and that's how I've designed it. This is my love, this is what I want..
In order to get this ball rolling in the right direction, I'm going to quote myself:
{[(Coughie x NL5H) x Bubba] x [(Coughie x Velvet Rush) x Bubba]} x (Peyote Purple x Bubba)
So besides this idea, I thought I'd share a little bit more of what I'm up to...
I have several Real Seed Company offerings that I plan on doing justice. I want to open pollinate them, and segregate the resulting seeds into phenotypical families upon popping.
I'm hoping each offering will result in at least 3 variations (maybe up to 5) within the seed set, allowing me to turn the 7-8 offerings into 21-24 thru 35-40 different phenotypical landrace families.
I want to then IBL those families towards their selected traits, for pure-landrace recombination later on, as well as for trait-matched landrace hybrid creations.
RSC offerings:
- Chitrali
- Lebanese
- Sinai
- Malana
- Manipuri
- Red Thai
- Mango Thai
- Viet-Laos
And Mazar when they re-release it..
Aside from those, I want to work with the (Peyote Purple x Bubba Kush) genetics from my Coughie idea, and Vader OG's single-release Jawa Pie F2's...
I'm hoping to find males from both gene pools to cross with whatever sort of 'commercial' genetics I can possibly deem worthy.
That gives me three different 'groups' of projects
- The Coughie seedline
- The landrace seedlines
- The commercial seedlines
This is all still pretty much the plan, but I'd like to start this thread off with approaching the Coughie seedline in particular..
I'll have ample questions about landraces, segregating families, when/how/what to recombine later, and what sorts of matchings might make the best landrace hybrids, for which I'm relying quite heavily on The Real Seed Company's 'untamed' releases.. But that's another day, soon..
This is what I'm focused on tackling first:
{[(Coughie x NL5H) x Bubba] x [(Coughie x Velvet Rush) x Bubba]} x (Peyote Purple x Bubba)
The Back Story:
So back around 2004, I came across a bag that was some of the best I've ever had. Soil/earthy/coffee bean/mocha/chocolate aromas, so much frost that the bag stuck to itself and ripped before I smoked the whole quarter... Loaded a bowl, took two hits and took a nap. Woke up to finish it, and took another nap - coming from a guy that can smoke indica and do chores (highly functional smoker), I was absolutely floored/shocked.
The biggest surprise was the ~20 seeds that fell out of the quarter.
Long story short, only one popped, and I named the plant Coughie.
So I want to turn Coughie from a bagseed into a seed line
Not with reversals or anything though; the hard way.
So this is what I've drafted up for a game plan:
{[(Coughie x NL5H) x Bubba] x [(Coughie x Velvet Rush) x Bubba]} x (Peyote Purple x Bubba)
50% Bubba Kush
25% Peyote Purple
12.5% Coughie
6.25% NL5Haze
6.25% Velvet Rush
The aim:
Earthy/coffee bean/mocha/chocolate terpenes
Indica dominant, while keeping some of the NL5H & Velvet Rush heads
Hybrid vigor, short to medium node spacing
Drought tolerant - leathery, thicker leaves
The NL5H pollen is an F3 from some old Coot's stash
The Velvet Rush pollen came from that old Coot's stash too
The Bubba is VerdantGreen's recently released Bubba Kush line
The Peyote Purple from Cannabiogen, a recessive Bubba Kush phenotype
The (Coughie x NL5H) has been completed
The (Coughie x Velvet Rush) will happen soon
I need to then find the Peyote Purple females from my seedstock, as well as sort through VerdantGreen's Bubba Kush for males... Then I can start cracking into (Coughie x NL5H) and (Coughie x Velvet Rush), and get ready to start bringing it all together..
I'd really appreciate any feedback any one could offer though.. here, pm, etc..
This is by far my biggest project right now, but not my only project..
As I stated earlier, the Coughie x NL5H is completed,
And the Coughie x Velvet Rush is underway right now
I've heard from a few folks who were concerned with this plan and me losing the original "Coughie" plant amongst all the crosses.. And I hear you.. But the plant I ended up with, is very-little like her mother... This is definitely an out-cross/accidental pollination, but I have great suspense that the original bag was something Bubba-based..
Coughie, the plant, has some fruity tones, some growth structure, and (maybe someone will agree/disagree) bud structure that is reminiscent of what you'd find in a Bubba x Skunk cross.. Not my favorite thought, the Skunk, but the bud shape is reminiscent of the Katsu cut, with the flowers being more pine-cone shaped than golf-ball shaped like the Pre-98 is, even though thats what the original bag looked like - sticky golf balls.
The fruity tones are a lot akin to what I find in poor imitation Cheese that gets passed around these parts - the 'fruity' Skunk's that they try to pass off as 'Cheese' because it has that same sort of chalky smoke... But its fruit terpenes, instead of stinky feet cheese...
And Cheese is isolated from Skunk itself, yeah?
So with Coughie not being what the mother was, I'm not as concerned with losing this particular expression as I am, in chasing down that mother's expressions...
So the next natural question is - why not just cross Coughie with Bubba and find the phenos you're looking for? Which, I've considered... But if I wanted Bubba in seed form basically, I'd toss Coughie out all together and go with VerdantGreen's Bubba Kush line, and call it a day..
But I want to create something,
I want to create something appealing,
I want to create something unique,
I dont want people to see 'Coughie' and think 'Oh, it's just a Bubba line'... Nothing wrong with that, were that what I aimed for, but that's not my aim here.
Bubba is notoriously slow-growing
And also notoriously indica-expressing
I want to fashion something with more vigor, more head, the same sorts of terpene profiles, but a different experience..
And I'm going to need some help, if anyone would be so-kind..
My first set of questions pertains to these first couple of crosses, naturally..
Coughie x NL5H
Coughie x Velvet Rush
Peyote Purple x Bubba Kush
So I plan to IBL these three crosses separately from the Coughie line, after they've been put to use.. The combinations are too unique to just use for this one project and them toss them into the wind..
My first real question - How far along do I/would you IBL these three lines before moving to the next step of combinations for Coughie project?
With the Coughie x NL5Haze, I've been told that the Haze holds some of the same terpenes that I'm searching for.. So I'm hoping to isolate something that has a sativa head-kick, with those chocolate/mocha/soil terpenes
With the Coughie x Velvet Rush, I'm hoping to accentuate the fruitiness within Coughie, that I speculate came from something Skunk-ish, alongside the flower structure and stretch of Velvet Rush
With the Peyote Purple x Bubba Kush, I'm hoping to find males that are both purple and green, that have all of the soil/earthy/coffee/mocha/chocolate terpenes - more indica expressions to bring the NL5Haze and Velvet Rush counterparts back towards the 50/50 indica/sativa hybrid-expressions..
So, to restate the first question - how far would you go towards IBLing these three crosses before you'd feel (roughly, i understand, can't really know until I do it) comfortable considering proceeding to the next step?
I'm really hoping this thread doesnt get filled with bogusness, as I'd really like to bring together some bright minds if i can, and would love to eventually be able to share some of this hard work, but these things can only happen on a two-way street paved with respect.
Thanks for reading this novel,
Feel free to pitch in,
And let's see where this road leads us all~