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Old 04-01-2019, 10:38 PM #1
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Water into Wine (chemists have a look)

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you have acess to cbd in your country,? even in a pure form, GREAT!

but its not psychoactive....damnnnnn

what would you say when i tell you how to convert your cbd into delta-8-THC !

because of this post from wolf, lol back in 2009.....


https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=184612


i took a look into cannabinoid chemistry and i found a patent and i improved it,
at least i think so.

its about how you "cook" cbd into,only delta-8, or both delta-9 and 8 THC mixture,
depends on the catalyst which is used.


patent:
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040143126A1/en


if there where any organic chemistry knowledged people around, tell me what YOU think.

i will post the original patent here,
my improved version of it (you need chemistry equipment)
one pot reaction (easy, well, not so pure)

and then do the reaction by myself.

delta-8-thc is less potent like half strength or so (the literature says 1/3 or 1/2 strenght, i dont know)
but if you get pure CBD crystalls you may not care because it will be STRONG.

the yield should be great and purity also when doin' correctly.


i got a friend working in a lab and she may be helping and do HPLC analysis!!!
this has to be done seriously ! no chick chack maybe yes maybe no....

if you change catalyst you get delta-8-thc and delta-9-thc,
which is more psychoactive but the catalyst is impossible to be made by yourself,
so if you cant buy it then you cant do it. the delta-8-thc catalyst you can buy easy or DIY.

I'M NOT READY YET !

ok and now even more interesting.

wolf called it THC-Acetate (THC-O-Acetate)

well, in fact this is a cannabinoid-ester which is also easy made and should,
improve psychoactivity, a lot!

stronger or more psychedelic effects.

i think this is because it crosses the blood-brain barrier easier, when it's in acetate form.

just look for THC-O-Acetate (talkin' bout delta-9)

the first reciepe he posted is just improved when you take clean alcohol (water-free) and glacial acetic acid....
so even this should work to get the ester. this is important because of restrictment of acetic anhydride.

which make your weed much stronger and more psychoactive as far as written, in literature.

i didnt try any of these reactions, nor i took some ester's or other changed structures of cannabinoids so far, so
i cant tell you exactly.

please put this in your mind.


i never saw a delta-8-thc-ester (the acetate), or any information about it. (prooved)
it s possible to get other carbon acids (formic acid) to react and nobody knows
whats happening then, WTF

you could even add to the carbon acids other groups, but this would be really too much too discuss in here.

if you look into the structure of cbd you could even hang a group on the double bond... bla bla FACT:

GOUVERMENT WILL HATE ME, AND YOU TOO !

but well there were patents so... fuck'em

PS: this is not my achievment and its done way, way before i looked at something like that.

maybe wolf jumps in here i'm sure he could give prooved information about my suggestion and so,
but maybe he want to keep this information for himself

be aware when you buy acetic anhydride (its impossible to cook heroine without it!)
you may get watched by authorities.


SECURITY IS A MUST.

i add the structure of the 3 most (former) important cannabinoids.

the diffrence between delta-8 and delta-9 THC is just the double bond in the ring.

i didnt do so much research but it may be possible ( if the delta 9 is more stable one) to convert even delta-8 THC into delta-9
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:51 PM #2
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i got a lot of projects running and maybe someone can try this out it sounds promising and i will try to get the reaction done within next 3-4 weeks... i m not able before but it s of great interest. guys !


i got all chemicals and equiptment needed to try this but i need to get others things done before


thanks


PS: some of this is in german, sorrry


didnt wrote the one pot reaction yet will post soon
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Converting CBD into delta-8-THC


(glassware needed)


Abstract:

All of the Equipment must be clean, and all of the solvents used should be as dry as possible, as the CBD as pure as possible.

Toluene is mixed with p-toluene sulfonic acid;
heat to soft boiling (90°C) azetrope temperature and meanwhile
mix your CBD with some more fresh Toluene.
Drop in slowly about 30minutes and heat 1 hour more, until all
water has collected in the Dean-Stark.
Pour on Ice Cold water and let seperate the Phases.
Collect Toluene (upper) Layer and repeat (extract) one more time,
wash with 5% NaHCO3; wash with DH2O again and, dry with MgSO4/NaSO4 filter and evaporate under vacuum.

Product is an oily substance which is over 80% Delta-8-THC.

Check over TLC plates with 20% ether 80% Petroleum Ether.

Glassware needed:

Round bottom flask 500ml , 2 headed (or bigger)
Reflux Condenser
Dripper
Dean Stark apparatus
Dry Tube




Equiptment needed:

Heating Plate/ Magnetic Stirrer,.
ph stripes
Gloves
Eye Protection
Safety Stuff

also acess to water and electricity of course


Chemicals needed:

Toluene
p-toluene sulfonic acid
CBD (98%+, better more)
NaHCO3/NaOH
MgSO4
CaCl2
distilled water






Preparing Chemicals

Toluene is dried over CaCl2 and distilled discard first 5% and then collect.

Heat out CaCl2,MgSO4, grind and vaccum seal it with silicia gel

toluene sulfonic acid,
Impurities can be removed by recrystallization from concentrated hydrochloric acid followed by azeotropic drying, with dry toluene.


Reaction:

Set up all equiptment with dean stark and reflux condenser, second head dripper (with CBD/Toluene mix) all topped with dry tube filled with wadding and dry CaCl2) fill in 150ml dry toluene into the flask, heat and put some toluene in the dean stark trap, wait till reflux well, remove any drops of water from DS if there s some, then add the tsulfonic acid into the flask, and slowly drip in from the dripper the cbd-toluene mix while refluxing gently at about 90°C for about 60-90 minutes.
Quench reaction and pour over ice cold water let separate the phases collect the toluene, extract one more time, wash with 5 % NaHCO3, then with water, dry the toluene layer with MgSO4, filter and evaporate under vacuum to get the product.


If done correctly you should get minimal 80% delta-8-THC

i found that as a patent, but changed little bit.

Of course if you've little knowledge about organic chemistry its possible to subsitiute some of the chemicals or use other lewis acids...


PS: You even can make the Delta-8-THC-OAcetate molecule which is an ester and i never heard someone tried this!
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PATENT IS HERE:


i cannot upload because of a .pdf file


https://patents.google.com/patent/US20040143126A1/en


well it is not actually the same i got but its pretty close....


the reaction may only work with polar solvents ( i dunno why they always use polar ones so all alcohols are good)
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PLEASE TRY THE PATENT RECIPE BEFORE WHEN YOU EVEN WANT TO TRY THIS OUT
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I'm no chemist so forgive my ignorance. But are you talking about Isomerization as written in Cannabis Alchemy by D. Gold to transform CBD into THC?
See page 21: https://calgarycmmc.com/E-books/E%20...0D.%20Gold.pdf

I was always under the impression that this was debunked and so not true.
I think Sam The Skunkman said this into the past.
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well its not isomerization only takes place when delta8 is made to delta9,


as said before i dunno which one is the stable one but it s sure possible to convert delt8 to delta9 or opposite.




but the diffrence cbd to thc is the ring closing
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i may also be wrong but i need to investigate this and it would be nice if someone can comment on this.


i never made it to a chemistry school all i know is just out of interest but i did a lot of research and reactions for interest. and i m not bad into it
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I'm no chemist so forgive my ignorance. But are you talking about Isomerization as written in Cannabis Alchemy by D. Gold to transform CBD into THC?
See page 21: https://calgarycmmc.com/E-books/E%20...0D.%20Gold.pdf

I was always under the impression that this was debunked and so not true.
I think Sam The Skunkman said this into the past.



thanks for comin by !!! youre needed


well i saved the file its long, gonna read whole file tomorrow and then let you know what i think about, but the apparture he is using is just ridicolous when it get s into chemistry this is not kitchen chemistry, i m mean this serious.


like this sentence quoted out of the book:



" Extracting with petroleum ether produces an oil that is twice as potent by weight as oil extracted with alcohol."
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