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Old 12-05-2009, 02:54 PM #11
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1. Studies have been done by numerous institutions that show cannabinoids have an effect on cancer (autophagy)
2. I cant say anything about crystal healing... but chiropractic's and homeopathic medicine are proven, and NOT pseudo science.
3. He never said it wont get you high... if i recall said that a tolerance will build up rapidly with allows for ingestion of the large amount of hash oil. he also explained that its the cbd's and such that have the properties he's after... not so much the THC; as the 'high' isn't what cures.

I find it...idk... petty, sad, even backwards that our community (icmag- a group of pro pot people would jump this guys shit when he's trying to advance and explore the medical reach of our beloved plant (while most us us just look at bud porn and roast bowls) He needs our support (wrong, right, or in this case-neither.. but probably on to something), he'll get all the flack he needs elsewhere. If we, the community shuns him, what are the ramifications? A guy whose heart is in the right place, no profits, and we call him a snake oil salesman... thats wrong, just damn wrong. think about it folks...

I was thinking the same thing, even if it DOESNT work, ITS NOT FUCKING SNAKE OIL. the guy wasnt even selling it,,, he was growing weed to make medicine to give to people for F-R-E-E and sharing patients expericnes and trials,,, and THIS is how you treat him??? prety fukcing low in my opinion .... how mnay of you are working different methods of cannabanoid delivery and giving away medicine to the sick people around you ????? i watched the movie he did, maybe it is bullshit. maybe it is not. i dont know, but what i do know is at least he was WORKING to do good in the community, what have any of you critics of rick simpson done to improve the lifes of the people and the community around you? ??

im really tired of all the people who hve the time to criticize others efforts, while contributing absoultely nothing benefitial to the subject...


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FUCK NARC EMERY for even suggesting that rick simpson is not a hero unless he forfeits his freedoms to the court....
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Old 12-05-2009, 03:37 PM #12
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As phytotherapist i can say that Cannabis has anti-carcinogenic properties.There are several studies which you can find at https://www.cannabis-med.org/english/bulletin/iacm.php

Most studies are rather small, but they show interesting and important things.

If you produce a plant-based medicine and give it away to help sick people instead of asking idiot prices like Marc did with his seeds than you have the heart at the right place.

I think that most sick people dont have the benefit if he is locked up behind a prison wall, so in one way i can understand his decision to stay in Europe.

In my opinion Health Canada want to send him to prison so he is not be able to give any information anymore about his medicine oil, which is certainly not snake oil.

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Old 12-05-2009, 04:02 PM #13
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Old 12-05-2009, 04:33 PM #14
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Cannabis itself cannot cure cancer. It may be one of the key plants on the planet that could be used in combination with other plants to cure cancer but not alone. It does however as we all know help with a wide variety of ailments.

Remember St. Johns Wart? I think that is the one......how great it was for you but to turn out later to cause liver damage in some people. As with about anything.

He should come back regardless of what he claimed is totally true or not. That fact is we all know that some of it is. That is why it is called Medical MJ. Right?

And we all know that it is cheaper in the long run to just get it out of the way. Because it will never go away.

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If what he is saying is true - why is he running away from a National venue to present his case before the media? Why ever would that be - if what he claims is actually true?
You're such an ass. Since when did the truth actually matter when talking to the courts/media/govt? Isn't that why we're STILL under prohibition? He's totally justified in my book for avoiding a preponderance of ignorance deciding his fate for him. Go RICK!

Welcome to my ignore list fatigues. You're nothing but a BigPharma schill. Go have a nice tea party with Yummybud and BlueDot.
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Old 12-05-2009, 04:51 PM #16
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Cannabis itself cannot cure cancer. It may be one of the key plants on the planet that could be used in combination with other plants to cure cancer but not alone. It does however as we all know help with a wide variety of ailments.

Remember St. Johns Wart? I think that is the one......how great it was for you but to turn out later to cause liver damage in some people. As with about anything.
There is a chance that Cannabis can reduce cancer by itself or in combination, but only the application & dose is important.

St John's Wort is not causing liver damage, but Kava Kava can cause liver damage.St.John's Wort has hepaprotective properties.

https://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

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1. Studies have been done by numerous institutions that show cannabinoids have an effect on cancer (autophagy)
2. I cant say anything about crystal healing... but chiropractic's and homeopathic medicine are proven, and NOT pseudo science.
3. He never said it wont get you high... if i recall said that a tolerance will build up rapidly with allows for ingestion of the large amount of hash oil. he also explained that its the cbd's and such that have the properties he's after... not so much the THC; as the 'high' isn't what cures.

I find it...idk... petty, sad, even backwards that our community (icmag- a group of pro pot people would jump this guys shit when he's trying to advance and explore the medical reach of our beloved plant (while most us us just look at bud porn and roast bowls) He needs our support (wrong, right, or in this case-neither.. but probably on to something), he'll get all the flack he needs elsewhere. If we, the community shuns him, what are the ramifications? A guy whose heart is in the right place, no profits, and we call him a snake oil salesman... thats wrong, just damn wrong. think about it folks...
1. Chiropractics have been proven to be bullshit, look at the big CAM study lancet published in like 2005 and ANY other scientific study looking at it. Chiropractors have KILLED people because they didn't know what they were doing, they ripped apart the arteries in the patient's neck and the patient died subsequentially. It may help you if you have a problem that you're imagining and that doesn't actually exist or is a manifestation of some psychological problem, or something that goes away on its own (but then again, that's not really helping, is it...). I think I should have made a clearer distinction between the homeopathy I meant and the other form that exists, which is, at least around here, apparently practiced more often. I was talking about the homeopathy basing on the idea that a medicine gets stronger the more you dilute it, not the form that is simply herbal medicine, I do believe that there are applications for herbal medicine and they should definitely be looked into (after all, cannabis is herbal medicine as well). However the original idea of homeopathy is just retarded, it's based upon the claim that water has a "memory" and sort of remembers what medicine was in there, even if the solution is diluted to the 200th power and statistically can't contain any of the plant extract that the "doctor" started out with. This idea actually stems from a series of logically flawed deliberations by Samuel Hahnemann, the inventor of homeopathy. He based his original theory on the idea that "same can be treated with same", so he treated illnesses of a specific organ with plant extracts from plants that looked similar to the organ affected or that produced an effect similar to the symptoms of the illness (this was because he apparently had an intolerance to quinine, a chemical that has long been used to treat malaria and is actually effective for doing so. It's contained in a plant (cant remember the name, sorry) that was used to treat malaria during Hahnemann's time and he tried taking some without actually suffering from malaria in an experiment. Due to his intolerance to the chemical, he suffered from symptoms similar to malaria and so got to the conclusion that plants which produce an effect similar to symptoms of a disease can be used to treat that disease). Now those extracts weren't always healthy as some of the plants used were poisonous, so his patients actually got sicker from taking them (but of course this didn't occur to him). He then proceeded to dilute them and lo and behold, his patients were better off than with the undiluted form which led him to the conclusion that medicine gets stronger, the more you dilute it, an idea which is of course complete bullshit.

2. I never meant to attack or discredit Rick Simpson, I'm just saying that considering the statements he makes (hash oil=cure-all) and the evidence he provides (none except for anecdotal evidence, I'm having a hard time believing his claims. I didn't jump him or anything, just stating that.

3. He does say that many people don't get high:
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Following the dosage previously described, many people can take the full treatment and never get high. In regards to hemp, getting "high" is a joke, even if a person does take too much oil the effect wears off quickly and no harm is done. No one has ever died from the use of hemp medicine.
Again, maybe he's right and oral administration of his kind of oil doesn't produce noticeable effects for those people, I was just saying I thought it was odd.

4. I know perfectly well that cannabinoids have been shown to have an anticarcinogenic effect, which is why I believe there is true potential in Rick's oil. I'm just saying that if he wants to be taken seriously, he's gonna have to provide some more evidence, or it's gonna have to be produced by scientific studies and I was actually questioning why none of those have been conducted with high-dosed natural cannabis extracts when there is anecdotal evidence that they actually work against cancer.

don't get me wrong, I would really like to believe Rick and I think he's a great guy for providing those people with medicine that apparently works for them, I'd just like to see some scientific proof before I buy his story without questioning it. That's just how I work, I'm a natural born skeptic.

And by the way, I NEVER called Rick a snake oil salesman, I gave him credit for not selling his oil even though he has to pay to produce it and I think it gives him a lot of credibility as opposed to the CAM scene where you pay out the ass for something that doesn't work for serious illnesses that don't just go away on their own.
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I did not follow his work, but was he using Exodus 30:23 ?
Nope .. he heard about the science and went full tilt boogie after it ..

Dam the torpedo's .. full speed ahead and let the chips fall where they will.

Tried it out on himself first then others.
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