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Old 12-02-2009, 10:34 PM #1
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Rick Simpson busted again

Well, actually his house, he's in Europe and says he isn't coming back.

If you want the story you need to google "rick simpson"+raid as it's only showing up on competing forums and I doubt ICMag wants me to link to the competition.
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Thats too bad... the mans a hero in my book.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:37 AM #3
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This topic came up for discussion on Cannabis Culture today.

I posted some rather pointed comments on Rick Simpson. To be clear, I think the man is a fraud and is encouraging cannabis users, in particular, who need treatment to save their lives to instead turn away from science and turn instead to snake oil. The promise is particularly appealing to men who have been diagnosed with prostate cancer, given the life-changing nature of conventional treatment.

Men who are in that unenviable position are highly vulnerable to Simpson's claims. Men exactly like the thousands of people who post here on ICM every week.

As others have noted, Dr. Lester Grinspoon, professor emeritus at Harvand, has posted an op-ed earlier this month to caution people against accepting Simpson's unfounded claims.

Marc Emery has now posted on the subject as well.
Emery's comments today are worth reading. The full text can be found at CC
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"Whenever I asked Rick Simpson to write about his work, or engaged other journalists and writers to write about Rick Simpson, and finally when I tried to do it myself, Simpson never co-operated. I could never get actual names and phone numbers of patients who were allegedly "cured". I never could see any so-called sworn affidavits. I could never interview any patients. I could never get the formula used, or the strain, or anything specific whatsoever. That is why no journalist has been able to write about Simpson, he is unverifiable, in his claims, his patients, his documentation, everything, really. No solid paperwork either.

Secondly, its cowardice to stay in Europe when Simpson should, to me, obviously come back and prove his claims in court. Lets have the "cured" patients in court, lets see the affidavits, lets have the science and the evidence submitted in court. If Simpson's claims are true, he stands a good chance of making a great case of historical precedents.

That Simpson wouldn't want to return to Canada is suspicious to me. You don't get "hero" status or folk legend or pioneer accolades by running away. He is not being sought by US authorities, its a local raid, its his third raid/charge, but it by no means is an undesirable situation. Putting Simpson in jail for cultivation still seems very unlikely, especially since Bill C-15 is not yet law. There is a great potential for a medical necessity defense. There are all sorts of opportunities to educate the entire nation in an extensive defense, bringing in the "cured" as witnesses, all of them will be compelling....if all the claims made by Simpson are true.

I find Simpson a bit of an odd fellow. When he was raising money to travel across North America to promote his "oil", they claimed to need $300,000 to do the tour, and they raised only $3,000, so it was called off. I couldn't believe this $300,000 figure they claimed to be trying to raise. Jodie & I traveled to 30 Canadian cities across Canada for about $17,000 over 2 months from St. John's to Victoria, and I told them this amount of money they claimed to need was outlandish for a tour, and absurd to try to get this amount raised for what would be a simple speech at the public library in selected cities."
I think Emery's comments are most insightful.

Moreover, if Simpson won't return to prove his case in a court of law, I think people are entitled to draw an adverse inference as to why he is unwilling to put his evidence under the bright lights of a Canadian courtroom.

If what he is saying is true - why is he running away from a National venue to present his case before the media? Why ever would that be - if what he claims is actually true?

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Old 12-03-2009, 02:49 AM #4
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I actually gave him benefit of the doubt

I wouldn't feel to proud of lying
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OMG, I never thought I'd see the day when I actually agreed with Marc Emery.
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-- snip -- If what he is saying is true - why is he running away from a National venue to present his case before the media? Why ever would that be - if what he claims is actually true?
WOW!! Well .. I'm glad you posted your comments.

James Lablanc; former terminal cancer patient. His phone number is near the bottom, if you have any questions for him.
https://phoenixtears.ca/jim.php

So I guess Mark Emery just didn't look hard enough. And a few others that claim folks like Jim don't exist.

I've talked to Rick a couple of times. Rick worked mostly with white widow. Blueberry is another strain that he worked with. Used horse manure for ferts. Outdoor. Nothing fancy, given that he was giving it all away. The material that he used for extraction had very little trimming done. Again .. giving it all away. Sounds like there was some minor amount of seed production.

Rick can get hot when he feels threatened. Ask him to prove what he's saying and his defenses jump up.

Sooo .. the reporters didn't understand how to talk to him. My guess anyway. But he will talk about such stuff. Did with me when I called him.

Rick has modified his claim of cure rates. He is now claiming a 70% cure rate. I'm glad that he did. Nothing works for every single person. It shouldn't be expected cannabinoids to work 100% of the time either.

The costs of a tour vs the costs of a vacation .. the vacation doesn't include little things like venue location rentals etc.

As for why he doesn't want to go to jail .. are you kidding?

Does he exaggerate? Possibly. But overall I find him to be a honest, good hearted person.

I believe that he greatly oversimplifies what takes place by attributing all of marijuana's curative properties to THC. I think it's much more complex than that. Which means that strain, nutes and growing conditions are much more important than Rick realizes.

Marijuana needs much much more study. It's like the treasure in the movie "The Librarian." The possibilities just go on and on ..

But not just marijuana. Rick needs to be studied also. His entire process from seed to oil. He may have fallen into something very special.
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Old 12-04-2009, 09:36 PM #7
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we see false claims about asprin, suboxone, oxyxcotin (not addictive-remember?) but these companies (bayer) arent facing long prison sentences or a shit storm of nay sayers....

yeah, rick should surrender and go to jail...
isn't it easy to advise someone on their freedom, when its not your ass in the sling! stay in europe, where you might be able to make progress, and do what you feel is best rick! its your life... wrong or right, at least you're trying! best wishes.
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:20 PM #8
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All I'm waiting for is a fucking study of his oil, if it works, FUCKING GREAT, but for the time being his claims are just too outrageous to be true. That's not to say I wouldn't try it if someone close to me got cancer since I know it can't hurt, being cannabis. But I really don't understand why no real scientist has looked into this, I mean they spend valuable time and resources debunking retarded stuff like homeopathy, crystal healing and chiropractics where it's pretty much clear that it's a fraud invented by greedy or delusional idiots to make money off of the stupid. Rick however gives his stuff away for free which already gives him more credibility than the whole complementary/alternative med scene has ever enjoyed. So someone should def. conduct a study, I think they'd prolly get some interesting results no matter what the outcome

Also, there's something that ticks me off about his oil: he claims people don't get high from it. However, the concentrations of THC needed to achieve an anti-oncogenic effect are such that you'll surely get pretty baked from the oil (he advises to take like 1-2g of highly potent hash oil a day, and that'll sure as hell fuck you up)...
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All I'm waiting for is a fucking study of his oil, if it works, FUCKING GREAT, but for the time being his claims are just too outrageous to be true. That's not to say I wouldn't try it if someone close to me got cancer since I know it can't hurt, being cannabis. But I really don't understand why no real scientist has looked into this, I mean they spend valuable time and resources debunking retarded stuff like homeopathy, crystal healing and chiropractics where it's pretty much clear that it's a fraud invented by greedy or delusional idiots to make money off of the stupid. Rick however gives his stuff away for free which already gives him more credibility than the whole complementary/alternative med scene has ever enjoyed. So someone should def. conduct a study, I think they'd prolly get some interesting results no matter what the outcome

Also, there's something that ticks me off about his oil: he claims people don't get high from it. However, the concentrations of THC needed to achieve an anti-oncogenic effect are such that you'll surely get pretty baked from the oil (he advises to take like 1-2g of highly potent hash oil a day, and that'll sure as hell fuck you up)...
1. Studies have been done by numerous institutions that show cannabinoids have an effect on cancer (autophagy)
2. I cant say anything about crystal healing... but chiropractic's and homeopathic medicine are proven, and NOT pseudo science.
3. He never said it wont get you high... if i recall said that a tolerance will build up rapidly with allows for ingestion of the large amount of hash oil. he also explained that its the cbd's and such that have the properties he's after... not so much the THC; as the 'high' isn't what cures.

I find it...idk... petty, sad, even backwards that our community (icmag- a group of pro pot people would jump this guys shit when he's trying to advance and explore the medical reach of our beloved plant (while most us us just look at bud porn and roast bowls) He needs our support (wrong, right, or in this case-neither.. but probably on to something), he'll get all the flack he needs elsewhere. If we, the community shuns him, what are the ramifications? A guy whose heart is in the right place, no profits, and we call him a snake oil salesman... thats wrong, just damn wrong. think about it folks...
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I give Rick Simpson the benefit of the doubt; there are plenty of other natural recipes made out of plants that are said to cure cancer; so let us all try and see what works. Besides, compared to the side-effects of regular chemo and radio therapy, what is a little hash ingestion gonna do bad? nothing.
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