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No till, No legal

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Florere

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Hello,

I want to try a no-till with "raised" beds indoor.

Only the problem is, I'm from a country where it is illegal and where they use plant material etc as evidence that you are growing more cycles.

So what's the best way to put the leaves and stalks back in de soil? Use a plant shredder ? Or bokashi ? Or in worm bin?
 
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HqFarms

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Find a contractors roll off dumpster and throw away your shit there. Don't throw away a lot. since you are doing no till there won't be that much trash but will there will be still some trash. It takes too long to break down big stalks. Leaves and small branches are no problem to break down naturally in a no till pot
 
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sounds like you have the right idea, kashi & worm bins would be a good idea

i would kashi the leaves (mix dry material 40 lbs plant matter, some rock dust like azomite if you want to be fancy w liquid mix made of 10 gallons water 2 cups molasses 2 cups em1 or lacto bacillus serum, mix WELL) then add that kashi at <5% to compost pile, then feed the compost to worms.... i guarantee you will have the dankest vermicompost available
 
PaulieWaulie

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Avinash.miles said:
sounds like you have the right idea, kashi & worm bins would be a good idea

i would kashi the leaves (mix dry material 40 lbs plant matter, some rock dust like azomite if you want to be fancy w liquid mix made of 10 gallons water 2 cups molasses 2 cups em1 or lacto bacillus serum, mix WELL) then add that kashi at <5% to compost pile, then feed the compost to worms.... i guarantee you will have the dankest vermicompost available
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only problem I see with bokashi, is that it pickles it in those first 2 weeks in the bucket, so it is still visibly identifiable as cannabis. So it is not ok to put into outdoor compost bin if security is priority. Thats why Im deciding against doing bokashi, and just put leaves straight into worm bin.

Enlighten me if I am wrong
 
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PaulieWaulie said:
only problem I see with bokashi, is that it pickles it in those first 2 weeks in the bucket, so it is still visibly identifiable as cannabis. So it is not ok to put into outdoor compost bin if security is priority. Thats why Im deciding against doing bokashi, and just put leaves straight into worm bin.

Enlighten me if I am wrong
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i think worm bis the material will be visibly recognizable as well for a week or 2
dry the plant matter and crush to a dust (run it thru a window screen works) first and it's pretty unrecognizable once soaked for kashi OR worm bins
only reason i suggested kashi is that i find worms like their "food" to be partoally decomposed already
 
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I chop the stems into 1" pieces as I harvest, put them & the leaves into our compost tumbler with kitchen scraps, grass clippings, corn based kitty litter, dried leaves & you name it. When it's really cooking, all that stuff turns into this in about a month-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1773115

Chopped up stems & leaves-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1773114

Killer compost tumbler-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1736862
 
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Jhhnn said:
I chop the stems into 1" pieces as I harvest, put them & the leaves into our compost tumbler with kitchen scraps, grass clippings, corn based kitty litter, dried leaves & you name it. When it's really cooking, all that stuff turns into this in about a month-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1773115

Chopped up stems & leaves-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1773114

Killer compost tumbler-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1736862
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:yeahthats
killer setup :D
 
PaulieWaulie

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Jhhnn said:
I chop the stems into 1" pieces as I harvest, put them & the leaves into our compost tumbler with kitchen scraps, grass clippings, corn based kitty litter, dried leaves & you name it. When it's really cooking, all that stuff turns into this in about a month-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1773115

Chopped up stems & leaves-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1773114

Killer compost tumbler-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1736862
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Yeah that is a nice tumbler indeed!

So you put cat feces into your compost ? or Just the litter?
 
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Jhhnn said:
I chop the stems into 1" pieces as I harvest, put them & the leaves into our compost tumbler with kitchen scraps, grass clippings, corn based kitty litter, dried leaves & you name it. When it's really cooking, all that stuff turns into this in about a month-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1773115

Chopped up stems & leaves-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1773114

Killer compost tumbler-

https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=52773&pictureid=1736862
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That looks like it works well, but I have to ask what the kitty litter bring to the table? Keeps it from being too wet maybe?

And I guess I also have to ask if it's used
 
PaulieWaulie

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Avinash.miles said:
i think worm bis the material will be visibly recognizable as well for a week or 2
dry the plant matter and crush to a dust (run it thru a window screen works) first and it's pretty unrecognizable once soaked for kashi OR worm bins
only reason i suggested kashi is that i find worms like their "food" to be partoally decomposed already
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Yes worm bins it is visible as well, I at least have my worm bin inside so it is ok that it is visible for sometime, but my compost is outside. Now from what I read you can't put that acidic bokashi of ph 3-4 fresh into the worm bin after the 2 week fermenting stage. your supposed to put it in the dirt and bury it or put it in compost for another 2 weeks at least and then its broken down further and so then If I wanted to put it in my worm bin, I would have to take it out of the compost again or dig out of the hole in the ground and then bring back into the worm bin ?
 
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kitty litter is basically pelletized clays; could be used for water retention (CLEAN litter of course)
in very arid climates you need more moisture retention material in ALL media, even mixing compost piles and tumblers

i can't speak directly to Jhnn's methods, but i can see the reasoning perhaps
 
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Avinash.miles said:
kitty litter is basically pelletized clays; could be used for water retention (CLEAN litter of course)
in very arid climates you need more moisture retention material in ALL media, even mixing compost piles and tumblers

i can't speak directly to Jhnn's methods, but i can see the reasoning perhaps
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That's traditional kitty litter. We buy stuff that's processed corn or wheat. That's currently Exquisicat wheat-

https://www.petsmart.com/cat/litter-and-waste-disposal/litter/exquisicat-cat-litter-13471.html

Cat poop is like any other kind of manure, particularly after it's been composted.
 
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PaulieWaulie said:
Yes worm bins it is visible as well, I at least have my worm bin inside so it is ok that it is visible for sometime, but my compost is outside. Now from what I read you can't put that acidic bokashi of ph 3-4 fresh into the worm bin after the 2 week fermenting stage. your supposed to put it in the dirt and bury it or put it in compost for another 2 weeks at least and then its broken down further and so then If I wanted to put it in my worm bin, I would have to take it out of the compost again or dig out of the hole in the ground and then bring back into the worm bin ?
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people feed fermented grains (kashi) to worms all the time, you don't want that to be the majority of bedding or food source
iirc lapides was feeding his worms kashi material w no problem, i you dry the kashi before mixing into bins you won't have as much problems either, plus a lil bit goes a long way, but i have fed my worms kashi with no problem (wet and dry), only a lil bit at a time (maybe a few cups per 40 gal stacked worm bins)
 
PaulieWaulie

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Jhhnn said:
That's traditional kitty litter. We buy stuff that's processed corn or wheat. That's currently Exquisicat wheat-

https://www.petsmart.com/cat/litter-and-waste-disposal/litter/exquisicat-cat-litter-13471.html

Cat poop is like any other kind of manure, particularly after it's been composted.
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Its not like any kind of other manure though. Cats are omnivores, thus feces has harmful pathogens.

just did a quick googs to verify


Another site said, it is ok for non edible crops, but still should be composted for 2 plus years so pathogens die off. I would consider indoor cannabis cultivation on par with edible agriculture...
 

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PaulieWaulie said:
Its not like any kind of other manure though. Cats are omnivores, thus feces has harmful pathogens.

just did a quick googs to verifyhttps://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=423773View Image


Another site said, it is ok for non edible crops, but still should be composted for 2 plus years so pathogens die off. I would consider indoor cannabis cultivation on par with edible agriculture...
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We have outside cats. They even have their own door & prefer to do their business... in the garden, so it's a moot point.They just have a litter box for when it's raining or there's snow on the ground.

I seriously doubt that oocysts can survive for long in our tumbler. My wife has developed a real feel for the process, adding the right amounts of moisture, garbage, green matter & brown matter to really get it cooking, sometimes hitting 160F. The bacteria go absolutely wild & gobble up everything. That's the whitish color you can see on some of the clods in the pic.
 
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