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Regime change by Tweet (Venezuela)

St. Phatty

Active member
I almost support her for calling out AIPAC. If she would have pointed out the overwhelming number of dual citizenship Zionist pigs in the American govt, I would have supported her more. But instead she is just limited hangout

It takes a lot of guts for an American politician to call out AIPAC.

One sign of limited hang-out is, you see their agenda when key issues are brought up.

Like 9-11.
 

Gry

Well-known member
I almost support her for calling out AIPAC. If she would have pointed out the overwhelming number of dual citizenship Zionist pigs in the American govt, I would have supported her more. But instead she is just limited hangout
Have similar thoughts any time I see 'clusters' of new faces.
More than interested to hear what might support such a contention.
 

VenturaHwy

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Venezuela is a failed state.

"Venezuela's inflation rate will reach 10 million percent next year, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said on Tuesday in a report forecasting that one of the worst hyperinflationary crises in modern history will further deepen. - Oct 9, 2018."

Not sure if we can even comprehend such an economic situation. If you started out with a hundred dollars in your pocket, by the end of the year (12 months later) how much would it be worth? For you guys that are good at math.
 

St. Phatty

Active member
Venezuela is a failed state.

"Venezuela's inflation rate will reach 10 million percent next year, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said on Tuesday in a report forecasting that one of the worst hyperinflationary crises in modern history will further deepen. - Oct 9, 2018."


But, look at the bright side.

It can't get any worse !

Or maybe it could, if the cartels moved in.

There was an American at the PeakOil.com forums who moved to Venezuela to raise cattle in the late 90's & 00's. Wonder if he's doing OK.

I couldn't go there unless they let me take all my firearms.

Wonder what it's like in the American retirement/ tourist places like Arruba.
 

Badfishy1

Active member
But, look at the bright side.

It can't get any worse !

Or maybe it could, if the cartels moved in.

There was an American at the PeakOil.com forums who moved to Venezuela to raise cattle in the late 90's & 00's. Wonder if he's doing OK.

I couldn't go there unless they let me take all my firearms.

Wonder what it's like in the American retirement/ tourist places like Arruba.

Island living is fine as long as you keep paying off the powers that be. Have spent a lot of time in the Caribbean and it’s basically the same across every country... pay the man and nothing to worry about.
 

gaiusmarius

me
Veteran
good old Roger Walters, always speaking up for the underdog...but what he should have said was, no matter what Venezuela's problems may be, no other nation has the right to interfere or declare new presidents. further more he should have reminded folks that a large part of Venezuela's problems stem from the US sanctions and the economic war waged against them for the last 20 years or more.

the main point is that it's not anyone else's business who runs Venezuela.

Hands OFF Venezuela! .....and Syria for that matter, fix the fucking mess in Iraq Afghanistan and Libya before you start a whole new deadly disaster in another country

Pink Floyd's Waters slams Venezuela border aid concert

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...s-venezuela-border-aid-concert-162920976.html

By Brian Ellsworth and Sarah Marsh

CARACAS (Reuters) - Pink Floyd co-founder Roger Waters slammed an upcoming "Live Aid"-style concert to raise funds for humanitarian aid for Venezuela, calling the event a U.S.-backed effort to tarnish the socialist government in a video circulating on Tuesday.

Billionaire Richard Branson is backing the Friday show in the Colombian border city of Cucuta with a fundraising target of $100 million to provide food and medicine for Venezuelans suffering widespread shortages.

Latin singers Alejandro Sanz, Nacho, Luis Fonsi and Maluma have so far confirmed they will perform in the concert, which has evoked comparisons to Irish rock star Bob Geldof's 1985 global "Live Aid" concert to raise money for famine relief in Ethiopia.

"It has nothing to do with humanitarian aid at all," the 75-year old Waters said. "It has to do with Richard Branson ... having bought the US saying, 'We have decided to take over Venezuela, for whatever our reasons may be.'"

"Venezuela Aid Live" is part of a broader western relief effort organised by Venezuela's opposition, that blames the ruling Socialists for the economy's hyperinflationary downwards spiral that has sparked the exodus of millions.

President Nicolas Maduro, who is facing growing international pressure to step down after his disputed re-election last year, denies there is a humanitarian crisis.

"Richard is helping them to raise awareness of the crisis in Venezuela and raise much needed funds through this event," a spokesperson for Virgin, which handles media inquiries for Branson, said in a statement. "This is not a political statement and the U.S. is not involved in any aspect of this."

The United States is openly backing Maduro's rival and congress chief Juan Guaido, who last month invoked constitutional provisions to declare himself interim president.

The opposition plans to bring aid into Venezuela on Saturday from collection points in neighbouring countries including Cucuta via sea and land, despite Maduro's refusal to let it in, setting up a possible clash with authorities.

Waters, the British rock group's principal songwriter who penned many of the hit songs on the hugely popular albums "The Dark Side of the Moon" and "The Wall," said the relief effort was part of the United States' attempts to paint a false picture of Venezuela to justify regime change.

To date there was "no mayhem, no murder, no apparent dictatorship" in Venezuela, he said, despite even government data putting the homicide rate among the world's highest.

"Do we really want Venezuela to turn in to another Iraq or Syria or Libya? I don't and neither do the Venezuelan people," Waters wrote.

This is not the first time the bass player has weighed into South American politics. During a concert in Brazil ahead of presidential elections there last year, Waters spoke out against then right-wing candidate Jair Bolsonaro, who is now president.

Maduro's government this week announced two concerts on Friday and Saturday just across the border from Cucuta to rival Branson's "Aid Live" show.

(Reporting by Brian Ellsworth and Sarah Marsh; editing by Bill Berkrot)
 

gaiusmarius

me
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thanks for providing the msm narrative on the whole situation. if you listen carefuly she glosses over a lot of details and context thats vitaly important to understand the situation there today. why does she start only in 2017, this story is much older. while she counts the nations backing the guido guy, she doesn't mention that Mexico, China, Russia, Italy and the whole of Africa are against this "not a coup".

but most importantly, this lady saves the vital aspect for last, she is a member of the opposition, her father is in exile, her family are with the protesters who burn people alive in the street for backing Maduro. so yeah she is totally biased in favor of Juan Guido.


but in the end all that shit is irrelevant, if it's true like she claims that 80% back Juan Guido, then no outside help should be needed to regime change the place. let them have an internal revolution. no need for other nations to meddle in their affairs. no matter how bad he does his job, it's up to venezuelans to get rid of him, not Trump, who should be worried about his own presidency by the look of things recently.
 

TychoMonolyth

Boreal Curing
thanks for providing the msm narrative on the whole situation. if you listen carefuly she glosses over a lot of details and context thats vitaly important to understand the situation there today. why does she start only in 2017, this story is much older. while she counts the nations backing the guido guy, she doesn't mention that Mexico, China, Russia, Italy and the whole of Africa are against this "not a coup".

but most importantly, this lady saves the vital aspect for last, she is a member of the opposition, her father is in exile, her family are with the protesters who burn people alive in the street for backing Maduro. so yeah she is totally biased in favor of Juan Guido.


but in the end all that shit is irrelevant, if it's true like she claims that 80% back Juan Guido, then no outside help should be needed to regime change the place. let them have an internal revolution. no need for other nations to meddle in their affairs. no matter how bad he does his job, it's up to venezuelans to get rid of him, not Trump, who should be worried about his own presidency by the look of things recently.
Thanks for the comment.

As for people revolting and throwing him out. If it was so easy, 50 Nazi's wouldn't have been able to gas and burn thousands.
 

stadanko

Active member
When considering current U.S. foreign policy in every situation you've got to ask yourself why do Trump and his administration take the actions that they take? Then if you answer yourself correctly--because Putin tells him to--then you have to ask yourself how will whatever action the U.S. takes in Venezuela ultimately be of benefit to Russia? The answer to that question is what you'll likely see play out over the next several months. U.S. foreign policy isn't a product of our democracy any more. All decisions by the Trump administration are made in order to damage democracy and benefit Russia. Seriously, can anyone believe that Trump has genuine empathy and compassion for the destitute people of Venezuela?
 

Pédetoddy

Well-known member
Brazil started a war against Venezuela literally throwing stones to Venezuelan side across the border.
My country is a joke.
The Brazilian government is a trained monkey of USA.
 

packerfan79

Active member
Veteran
Brazil started a war against Venezuela literally throwing stones to Venezuelan side across the border.
My country is a joke.
The Brazilian government is a trained monkey of USA.

I read somewhere that the right to own a firearm is being restored under the new president. Is that true?
 

gaiusmarius

me
Veteran
When considering current U.S. foreign policy in every situation you've got to ask yourself why do Trump and his administration take the actions that they take? Then if you answer yourself correctly--because Putin tells him to--then you have to ask yourself how will whatever action the U.S. takes in Venezuela ultimately be of benefit to Russia? The answer to that question is what you'll likely see play out over the next several months. U.S. foreign policy isn't a product of our democracy any more. All decisions by the Trump administration are made in order to damage democracy and benefit Russia. Seriously, can anyone believe that Trump has genuine empathy and compassion for the destitute people of Venezuela?

i don't buy that argument that Trump is acting under Putins orders, for every example you show of Trump doing something to help Russia, i can give you 3 things he did that really hurt Russian interests. just look at the INF treaty and things like south stream 2, those are existential issues for Russia. the last thing the Russian economy can afford is a new arms race which is being triggered as we speak by the US leaving the INF treaty. then we have Ukraine where Trump is arming the Ukronazi government in Kiev, which Obama would never do, then we have Syria, where Trump has given his generals free rein to cause havoc for the Russian campaign to save the Syrian government. Russia is being attacked on the oil and gas sector with sanctions at the same time the arms industry is also being sanctioned and even anyone daring to buy Russian weapons is getting sanctioned. as i've said before, if Putin bought Trump, he got a terrible deal.
 

packerfan79

Active member
Veteran
i don't buy that argument that Trump is acting under Putins orders, for every example you show of Trump doing something to help Russia, i can give you 3 things he did that really hurt Russian interests. just look at the INF treaty and things like south stream 2, those are existential issues for Russia. the last thing the Russian economy can afford is a new arms race which is being triggered as we speak by the US leaving the INF treaty. then we have Ukraine where Trump is arming the Ukronazi government in Kiev, which Obama would never do, then we have Syria, where Trump has given his generals free rein to cause havoc for the Russian campaign to save the Syrian government. Russia is being attacked on the oil and gas sector with sanctions at the same time the arms industry is also being sanctioned and even anyone daring to buy Russian weapons is getting sanctioned. as i've said before, if Putin bought Trump, he got a terrible deal.

First, person to actually address the coming nuclear arms race, good job Gauismarius. It's some scary shit. Putin is doing a pretty shitty job of controlling Trump. Lol. For that matter everyone is doing a shitty job of controlling Trump. Trump could have Putin assassinated and the left would still be screaming Russian collusion.
 
Venezuela is a failed state.

"Venezuela's inflation rate will reach 10 million percent next year, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) said on Tuesday in a report forecasting that one of the worst hyperinflationary crises in modern history will further deepen. - Oct 9, 2018."

Not sure if we can even comprehend such an economic situation. If you started out with a hundred dollars in your pocket, by the end of the year (12 months later) how much would it be worth? For you guys that are good at math.

Let's go with...well, a hundred bucks.

What will that $100 buy you? Jack effing shit.



Knock knock: who's there ?

It's Elliott Abrams bringing humanitarian aid.


And the gates of hell slam shut on Abrams. He should have lied and used an alias. What a piece...
 
I,m not at all in agreement with the oil argument. USA will 100% help the poor people more than the Maduro regime. :laughing:



Look at this pic I took the other day in Santa Marta. Let me ask the ones that think USA help is nefarious in nature and consider what you think this poor guy would want. His artwork says it all. The stuff pictured is made from Venezuelan Bolivars.



The streets her in Santa Marta / Rodadero are teaming dislocated folks from Venezuela. I talk to them daily. They are everywhere, and they all want to go back home.



I see it first hand daily. Its so much more complicated than "Trump / USA" wanting oil.



Guaranteed the refugees here in Colombia don't care what countries come to help. Oil will be involved regardless.



Maduro is friggin nutcase that thinks Chavez (another nutcase) lit on his shoulder and gave him advice in "bird-talk"


Trump....another nutcase..... is just another shit-ass player in what is a humanitarian tragedy that started well before the Donald was still firing people on his reality TV show.
 

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gaiusmarius

me
Veteran
that aid is a trojan horse for sure. the US sanctions have cost Venezuela 30 billion dollars in lost revenue. so that 20 millions worth of aid is an insult and probably full of hidden weapons and amo for the freedom fighters which will be appearing soon. Venezuela would have no need of aid if the Brits were not trying to steal 30 tons of Venezuelan gold. even the red cross has refused to participate with this supposed US aid delivery. they say it's political and breaks the rules of neutrality that humanitarian aid providers are supposed to follow.
 

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