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Old 05-15-2014, 01:54 AM #41
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Y'all realize that this thread is now nearly 10 years old? That must be some kind of record for a thread of only 3 pages. Lots of cool botany info I had no clue about. Nice.
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Y'all realize that this thread is now nearly 10 years old?
Only cause you mentioned it. Thought it was a few month old. Let's see if we can make it to page 6 before 2024.


I transplanted the 14 ICExCH whorl-test seedlings to individual containers. They are in coco, I normally don't grow like this, just for a quick test. I can always transplant them to DWC (done from various media) if I want to keep some.

The small one is from the double yoker, interesting one, first set of leaves have nearly smooth edges. I expect that to change in newer leaves, but still curious. The seemingly empty one is its unicot twin.

Check out the spiral of the taproot of one the seedlings, inheritable trait or just circumstantial coincidence (was in shallow container)?

Anyway, it will probably take 3-5 weeks before I will post the results of the whorled frequency test. In the meantime I will occasionally update on the ones I got in the flower closet, hopefully being able to show how the branches start whorling after removing the terminal shoot.
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Old 05-19-2014, 11:17 PM #43
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The 14 whorled frequency test seedlings are working on their 2nd set and still all regular opposite. All the previous whorled were regular too at this stage so still waiting. I also found some space for these 14: my flower closet... I'm going to push back my tubes a little to make some space for them.

P#1A started flowering... on 20/4. At first I thought it was just showing preflowers from maturity, but it also reverted back to 5, 3, and eventually 1 leaflet per leaf. I manage my light schedule manually, there's no way the light schedule caused it too flower. I considered removing and replacing it, but its root are already mixed up with those of P#5, the fasciated plant. Had some hopes it would reveg, still has a few days, a weeks tops before I switch to 12/12.

P#1B is a clone from the same plant, taken nearly a week later from the sexed clone-mom, but finally started growing. By not topping it it should work out with the two ICExCH plants next to it.

P#6 turns out to be a female, so got a bit of luck with that one. Regular opposite phyllotaxy. Its preflowers started like little ribbons, almost like stipules, but spawned some pistils eventually.

P#5 is the fasciated plant, it's not as vigorous as some of the others. New growth is healthy and it is growing but not as fast as I'm used to. As you can see in the image below, it has quite a few more than 3 or 4 leaves at the same level, seems like 8 or 9.

At this point the P plants (chunk x CH) don't look like keepers, maybe the buds will surprise me.

IH#5 is still doing awesome. Will try to self it, backcross, and if there's a fast whorled male in those 14 I may be able to use some of that for a small malexfemale whorled test.
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Old 05-22-2014, 08:17 PM #44
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Good news, P#1A seems to be back in veg mode, increasing leaflets again. It's going to look weird probably.

P#5 the fasciated is fascinating but not a very vigorous plant. I'll let it flower but not going to create seeds with it.

I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to observe any more whorling on the IH plants (#1 and #5). They seem too mature, too far alternating to start whorling on the branches after the terminal shoot was topped (which did clearly happen with the plants from which I took these clones).

P#6 the regular opposite caught up nicely.
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Clear shot of the fasciated plant:
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In My experience, they usually result in low-yielding phenotypes. Can be frosty tho.
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Fasciated P5:



The canopy of the 8 or so leaves that spawn next to each other are completely overshadowing the lateral shoots with multiple layers of otherwise beautiful leaves:


Following is one of the budsites of IH#1, the former regular opposite control plant that started whorling later.

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Old 06-13-2014, 09:19 PM #48
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The fasciated plant spawned a regular bud site from the messy terminal:

Fascinating but not a good yielder.

2nd generation clone from IH#5 the strongest whorler:



I have no reason to believe there is a link between whorled phyllotaxy and "low-yielding phenotypes" as suggested by someone above. Also contrary the experience of others, I have no doubt mine will do just fine.

IH#5:




Left and right in the back, the lower ones, are IH#1 and IH#5.

The P#1A left in the front turned out pretty nicely despite its reveg episode. Too many buds sites on it, but all small and not too leafy.


I wasn't happy with the veg rate in the coco bottles of the those 14 whorl ratio test plants and needed the space so I cancelled that for now. I need to find a male for IH#5 too mate with anyway so will be able to check the ratio later this fall anyway.

I will be trying the currently frozen pollen from the quad-whorled male on the tri-whorled IH#5 soon to see if I can make that backcross. Not sure if I'll be able to get pollen from IH#5 itself in time, might have to do that next round.
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I have a seedling I'm considering growing out but it doesn't seem worth it when compared to another healthy seedling. The surface area of one regular leaf seems to equal to three of the leaves on the tricot or whatever you call it.

Should I keep it around or cull it?
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I have a seedling I'm considering growing out but it doesn't seem worth it when compared to another healthy seedling. The surface area of one regular leaf seems to equal to three of the leaves on the tricot or whatever you call it.

Should I keep it around or cull it?
I don’t see the relevance of your comparison, obviously the regular leaves always start out smaller than the cotyledons but will outgrow them sooner than later.

And yes, a tricot, which also means it will have whorled phyllotaxy but may grow out of it (after a few nodes or grow normal branches). If it continous to be whorled it will actually grow faster, exponentially.

Of course, keep it and grow that beauty.
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