Rather than starting a new thread, figured I bump this fairly recent one.
Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman
They are whorled phyllotaxy, I made a cross of a male Whorled Phyllotaxy, which I seem to find more of, and a female Whorled Phyllotaxy and got no whorled offspring.
I like the way they look. Do people see more males or females with this?
I kept several females around they are still whorled.
I would like to see ones that had whorled Tri stems on not only off the main stalk, like is common, but also then again on the sets of branches off the first tri stems, and again from the 2nd that are on the first. So it is tri whorled on tri whorled on tri whorled branches. Never seen it, I have seen a few tri seconday branches just a few.
Quoting you because it's partly in reply to your post and got question.
I created three crosses with a whorled male that had 4 sets at each node (on some branches, others had 3) and am about to grow out a few whorled female offsprings from those. Those have 3 instead of 4 though. Didn't expect to find them so easily in the F1 already, and while in the other cross most are male, I found 2 males and 2 females in 12 plants (I know, small pool so means little). I read somewhere it's a recessive trait so planned on looking for them in F2.
This is the CH/C99 dad. Besides the whorling it had trichs on fans and balls.
The regular ICE mom, vegged for about a week under 600watt after seedling stage under 18watt. Extreme and massive branching.
This is the result, ICE x Cannalope Haze (which I just recently found out is C99), topped a plant and sexed it, this is the top, rooted days (not even a week) ago.
( ^^spilled some nutesolution on it. )
It clearly has a better mini canopy compared to a non-whorled sister of her. It factually creates more plant material in the same time. I don't really expect more yield, I do expect and even shorter veg time (combined with cropping/topping/scrogging).
I read several times the trait tends to disappears after a certain amount of nodes, while the opposite is going on with my plants. The whorling increases which each node till it reaches a point where 3 leaves originate from the same height and it sort of stabilizes. I don't veg very long and also haven't been able to observe yet what happens when female buds form but based on some pics I've seen of whorled bud sites it does reappear when the internoding shortens again during flowering.
Maybe you can shine some light on this for me Sam. If it's a recessive trait, the trait only appears when its homozygous. Now if regular opposite phyllotaxy is P and whorled is p, I can deduct that my male was pp. If I would have crossed it with PP it wouldn't show up in any of my offspring (all Pp), while it does show up in offspring, so the mom must have been Pp, which means 50% should be whorled (2x Pp and 2x pp per 4 plants, which could actually be the case, haven't grown out that many yet).
However, you crossed a whorled male and female and didn't get whorled offspring which shoots a hole in my limited-understanding theory. While if its recessive and only shows up when homozygous that would have been pp x pp which is all pp, i.e. all whorled. Is it possible your whorling was caused by different genes or combi off than mine or others in general?
It's just an attempt for fun and practice so far, but I created literally thousands of seeds with that same dad and will continue to look for whirled offspring and observe.