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Old 10-13-2017, 12:56 AM #91
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Looking back I was having some cold weather and having trouble staying above 60 , I also didn't give enough nitrogen either I think so there were other stresses. Cant blame Serious all the other sisters were easy cloners and held true and the original one did great from seed . I keep the babies on a heat mat now and they like me for it.
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Old 10-13-2017, 04:24 AM #92
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yeah, my issues were always during winter...and i am keeping ACE sativas! haha, but most of them make it, just a few decide 'dude, flower me out, this sucks' haha
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a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of clone, .. .that s how I do it, ... my most important one I like to write ''mom'' on the tag as well for the best clone with the most beautiful root so I know next round if I only a few clones I should take them from that one plant.
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Gr33n...have you noticed any degradation after many clones at all? I like that idea..
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a clone of a clone of a clone of a clone of clone, .. .that s how I do it, ... my most important one I like to write ''mom'' on the tag as well for the best clone with the most beautiful root so I know next round if I only a few clones I should take them from that one plant.
I agree that this is a good way to go.
Two of my favorite plants are twenty years old this year and just the same now as when started.
There is one other thing I do to avoid cloning a less than healthy plant. With a red sharpie I mark the tag of any plant that has wilted or been stressed in any significant way, no clones from red tagged plants unless it is the only copy left.
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This is new to me, cloning is so easy with the cloner that it only makes sense to do it this way.

I personally do not believe in degradation, dna is dna, I have never heard about apple growers talk about this phenomena. Unless they get a disease like PM . But again I would think a clone of a clone of a clone would be your best shot at cleaning a cutting.

When people say the plant has changed over the years and it's not the same anymore I think it has more to do with the grower's growing technique changing... who is growing the same way they were 5 years ago?

Finally, 2 of the most respected breeders in the US do the clone of a clone of clone thing, think subcool and bodhi. Most respected by me anyway, lol, I really like that their seeds are produced organically.

Ive got 20 moms in a baby garden right now and it's a bit overwhelming, I can't imagine bodhi has something like 300 moms / dads he has to keep cloning and transplanting, year round!

Finally, in my case 20 ''mothers'' would take way too much space, plus I only ever need 2 or 3 healthy cuttings of each, not 50....
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Waking up slowly here or I'd post the pics.

Had 2 plants REALLY stand out in this year's outdoor.

One of them Bay Dream (from Grand-daddy Purple seeds, Ken Estes) x Apollo 11.

Started flowering August 1 - and still going - like she's got some Haze in her, with a meaty Indica branch structure.

BUT THE MOM's ... if they survive.

I took a second batch of clones and both rooted. But the plant was in flowering. One clone is looking like she ain't going to make it.

The other is - and the pics of the struggling clones, to be mother plants, ain't pretty.

It's better to have the clones, to grow mother plants from, than to watch a great plant die leaving no clones behind.
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Waking up slowly here or I'd post the pics.

Had 2 plants REALLY stand out in this year's outdoor.

One of them Bay Dream (from Grand-daddy Purple seeds, Ken Estes) x Apollo 11.

Started flowering August 1 - and still going - like she's got some Haze in her, with a meaty Indica branch structure.

BUT THE MOM's ... if they survive.

I took a second batch of clones and both rooted. But the plant was in flowering. One clone is looking like she ain't going to make it.

The other is - and the pics of the struggling clones, to be mother plants, ain't pretty.

It's better to have the clones, to grow mother plants from, than to watch a great plant die leaving no clones behind.
Put them in 24hrs light. And foliar feed Nitrogen. May take a month to reveg. But if you can keep it alive with foliar it will make it.
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Also a dome is mandatory

Or cut plastic bottles and put an individual cover on them...
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I grow mostly outdoors but do keep bonsais of keeper plants (or individuals I like). Since the outdoor cycle is really just one I don’t have a need for a lot of clones like I would if I was doing 3 or 4 indoor cycles.

So I keep small plants in veg over the winter and will take cuts late winter/early spring to get them some started for the upcoming season. I usually will put the over wintered bonsai out too and just start the process of making a new bonsai to preserve with one of the cuts. If I have to I can also take a cut from an outdoor plant before flower but I like to make sure I already have the genetics backed up in case something happens to the outdoor plant.

Some of these plants I’ve been growing this way for years.
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