jeff sessions is ordering "justice" dept to review marijuana

Tudo · Apr 7, 2017

GnarlsBarkley · Apr 7, 2017

His supporters will still try to brush this off and say we're overreacting and that Trump isn't going to take their weed.

Lyfespan · Apr 7, 2017

sessions is a smoke screen, to detur little guys from getting investors. if monsantos is moving forward with weed, you can bet i am.

mr.brunch · Apr 8, 2017

If they have a shred of common sense, and they really want to reduce violent crime, they will legalise.
As bill hicks once said, weed shouldn't just be legal- it should be compulsory.

IIIShadesOfBlck · Apr 8, 2017

The government that gives you everything can also take it away.

To me what's the big deal it has been illegal for decades and it has never stopped anyone from growing it or selling it.

Weed is so common place and accepted in society no way in hell could they ever afford the budget it would take to eradicate it at this point.

Worst case scenario is they pick off more low hanging fruit, at this point there is enough large "legal" state sactioned grows to keep them busy for a while.

I say fuck corporate america, they have no place in the marijuana scene anyways.

Even if you are "legal" you should still stay on the down low, if you are out running your mouth and telling everyone you know well that might be a mistake. Loose lips sink ships, legal or not.

PDX Dopesmoker · Apr 8, 2017

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/955476/download

Task Force subcommittees will also undertake a review of existing policies in the areas of charging, sentencing, and marijuana to ensure consistency with the Department's overall strategy on reducing violent crime and with Administration goals and priorities. Another subcommittee will explore our use of asset forfeiture and make recommendations on any improvements needed to legal authorities, policies, and training to most effectively attack the financial infrastructure of criminal organizations

That memo covers a lot of topics, but they're all hot button ones. Weed got mentioned before immigration. Does make it seem like the days of official Obama era policy of "weed is really really terrible, but we got bigger fish to fry" might be coming to an end pretty soon.

Lyfespan · Apr 8, 2017

the people have spoken and voted. big business will try all they want but with social media, they will be exposed at every turn.

people have also spoken out about not wanting pills and alcohol anymore, so a wave has started. we just need the peeps to keep riding it.

mr.brunch · Apr 8, 2017

Don't they realise it would be the perfect time to legalise? The acceptability of cannabis by the masses has never been higher. Even if they spouted some bullshit like 'our government has discovered a link between prohibition and violence, so we are legalising to protect the public '
May even gain himself some respect into the bargain.

brown_thumb · Apr 8, 2017

mr.brunch said:
Don't they realise it would be the perfect time to legalise? The acceptability of cannabis by the masses has never been higher. Even if they spouted some bullshit like 'our government has discovered a link between prohibition and violence, so we are legalising to protect the public '
May even gain himself some respect into the bargain.

Politicians' actions are seldom motivated by what's truly best for a country or its peoples.

mr.brunch · Apr 8, 2017

Accepted, but if there's one thing the orange one could use right now is a little more respect- win - win really

brown_thumb · Apr 8, 2017

mr.brunch said:
Accepted, but if there's one thing the orange one could use right now is a little more respect- win - win really

Megalomaniacal narcissists don't require much respect from all those he considers trash. They love themselves plenty. What they do require is absolute servitude. If, and I mean IF he thinks he can gain more control and servitude from us proles then he MIGHT be more likely to promote our cause.

DocTim420 · Apr 8, 2017

Let me suggest the process to de-schedule Cannabis as a Controlled Substance is not as straight forward as one would think. It seems that "all roads" lead back to the AG--he is a vital player in this game.

First, go here and check out the dozen or so "legalization" bills Congress is considering this term--https://www.congress.gov/search?q={%22congress%22:%22115%22,%22source%22:%22legislation%22,%22search%22:%22marijuana%22}&searchResultViewType=expanded&pageSort=dateOfIntroduction:desc&_=1491392773466

Now...from Brookings Institution--https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2015/02/13/how-to-reschedule-marijuana-and-why-its-unlikely-anytime-soon/

There are two ways by which the scheduling of marijuana can be changed: congressional action and administrative action.

Congress has the power to reschedule marijuana, either through new legislation specific to marijuana or through tailored amendments to the Controlled Substances Act. The first bill that proposed to move cannabis from Schedule I to Schedule II was introduced by Representative Stewart McKinney (R-CT) in 1981. Similar bills have been introduced perennially since then, most recently by Rep. H. Morgan Griffith [R-VA] (H.R. 4498), all of which died in committee. In 2011, Reps. Ron Paul (R-TX) and Barney Frank (D-MA) introduced a bill to remove marijuana from the schedules entirely (“de-scheduling”), which also died in committee.

President Obama has contended that rescheduling marijuana is a job for Congress, while others rightly argue the administration has the authority to do so unilaterally. It is ironic that the president, who is so often criticized for overreaching his authority, is shrinking from the administrative power that Congress has granted him.

So, how does administrative rescheduling work? It is not as easy as some in the marijuana advocacy community—and critics of the Obama administration’s position on this issue—would have you think. It is a complex process in which scientific, medical, policy and political forces have influence. Below is a flowchart that explains how rescheduling works.

In a nutshell, administrative rescheduling begins when an actor—the Secretary of Health and Human Services or an outside interested party—files a petition with the Attorney General or he initiates the process himself. The Attorney General forwards the request to the HHS Secretary asking for a scientific and medical evaluation and recommendation, as specified by 23 USC 811(b-c). HHS, via the Food and Drug Administration conducts an assessment and returns a recommendation to the Attorney General “in a timely manner.” The Attorney General, often through the Drug Enforcement Administration, conducts its own concurrent and independent review of the evidence in order to determine whether a drug should be scheduled, rescheduled, or removed from control entirely—depending on the initial request in the petition.

If the Attorney General finds sufficient evidence that a change in scheduling is warranted he then initiates the first stages of a standard rulemaking process, consistent with the Administrative Procedures Act. During rulemaking and consistent with Executive Order 12866, if the White House—through the Office of Management and Budget’s Office of information and Regulatory Affairs—determines the rule to be “significant,” it will conduct a regulatory review of the proposed rule—a very likely outcome given the criteria in the EO....

oldchuck · Apr 8, 2017

brown_thumb said:
Politicians' actions are seldom motivated by what's truly best for a country or its peoples.

What's "best" for the people in the eyes of a politician is all too often based on ideological positions which are not fact driven but driven by prejudice.

subrob · Apr 8, 2017

IIIShadesOfBlck said:
The government that gives you everything can also take it away.

To me what's the big deal it has been illegal for decades and it has never stopped anyone from growing it or selling it.

Weed is so common place and accepted in society no way in hell could they ever afford the budget it would take to eradicate it at this point.

Worst case scenario is they pick off more low hanging fruit, at this point there is enough large "legal" state sactioned grows to keep them busy for a while.

I say fuck corporate america, they have no place in the marijuana scene anyways.

Even if you are "legal" you should still stay on the down low, if you are out running your mouth and telling everyone you know well that might be a mistake. Loose lips sink ships, legal or not.

Well actually it HAS stopped people from growing and smoking it. It has also led to people being imprisoned, killed, maimed, it's led to people having their kids taken away, property seized and lives being absolutely ruined. And of course, there is 60 years of misrepresentation, lies and propoganda.
The list is much longer but if your not understanding at this point there isn't much call to keep going

No, they can't afford to eradicate it but that isn't what they want. They want to continue the anti cannabis industry.

The worst case scenario you see is still people being punished and jailed and fined and inevitably worse.

If herb is ever truly legal there is no course of action to take keeping corporate America out of it.

True legalization means you shouldn't have to hide it.

brown_thumb · Apr 8, 2017

oldchuck said:
What's "best" for the people in the eyes of a politician is all too often based on ideological positions which are not fact driven but driven by prejudice.

True enough but they're still selfishly imposing their ideals on the rest of us regardless of what's Constitutionally appropriate... old news needlessly repeated on my part.

You're right. If we could convince them of the goodness of cannabis then it would be removed as a Schedule One substance and decriminalized... old news needlessly repeated on my part.

paper thorn · Apr 9, 2017

i pray they never reschedule. that would be far worse.

Anyway, i don't know that the AG is going to be an asshole about pot. I hope not.
Bitching won't help, nor will assbite comments that call Trump supporters stupid, or calling Trump 'orange', that's getting a bit tired.

Try getting the word to Trump, Ben Carson, Jeff Sessions, etc, that MJ legalization or at least decrim, would help Trump, and reduce violent crime.

Surely some Marijuana Policy Project types can get a meeting with the AG or HHS sec to discuss this and present our side sanely and without leftist vitriol and propaganda.

Our side is right, whether you're conservative or liberal. Problem is so many people think everyone on the right thinks the same on all issues. I assure you that is not true. In fact an awful lot of us are way more libertarian than you think. Funny, was it Stephanie Miller who said libertarians were conservatives who like to smoke pot. lol. :biggrin:

HazyBulldog · Apr 9, 2017

PDX Dopesmoker · Apr 9, 2017

We have weed stores for a canary in the coal mine now, so immediate panic might not be necessary.

DocTim420 · Apr 9, 2017

Wouldn't be funny if Orange (Trumpy) accomplishes what Blackey (Obama) failed to do? Considering Orange doesn't drink or do drugs--whereas Blackey did/does. In the minds of Washington, Cannabis = Taxation $.

mr.brunch · Apr 9, 2017

At least you are being progressive in America... states being proactive and saying "we will help medical patients receive cannabis as a treatment, despite the federal law "
And some states for recreational also. Your country is in a transition.....

My country (u.k) is firmly stuck in the Middle Ages with its head up its ass.

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