Saudi Dissident Disappears in Saudi Consulate Istanbul

St. Phatty · Oct 18, 2018

Badfishy1 said:
The shale reserves the US is sitting on will produce for decades. Add to that a potential employment boom, I pray nightly we will cut the Saudi and Israeli terror states off at the tit by the time I wake up the next day. Pull the boys home n let them kill each other off

I pray that too.

BUT - the cost of oil shale is not factored into the cash cost that production decisions are made on.

If it was MY well or YOUR well that had it's water destroyed, I venture to say, we'd have something to say.

Instead it's somebody in Ohio or Texas or Venezuela or Calgary, or on some Indian reservation in the Dakotas, and we are basically hidden from a lot of the details (well I mean, the details are not widely discussed.)

The US has enough brainpower to have completely abandoned a petro-chemical based economy, and to embrace the lower-energy-content technologies that were promoted by the original Rudolf Diesel (plant-based diesels ONLY.)

I have plants in my yard, Scotch Broom, whose sap is literally like gasoline - and which has been explored as a liquid fuel for automobiles.

Even wet & green & alive, it burns like a Son of a Bitch. When it's dry ... well it's sort of fun to play with, for us Pyro's :woohoo:

To keep it simple, all you need is an old fashioned roll press (like they use to dry clothes), and some fresh cut Scotch Broom.

Roll the green plant material through, capture the juice in a container.

Let it sit in the sun to evaporate the water. At that point, it can provide a lot of entertainment if a spark gets near it. Plus, goats will eat the extracted Scotch Broom fibers/ plant material, and turn it into protein.

gaiusmarius · Oct 18, 2018

Badfishy1 said:
journalist? He writes opinions for wapo. More accurately, he is a gun runner w bin laden ties. Turkey and SA have been murdering LEGIT journalists for ever. MBS is trying to smash Wahhabism. Basically he is trying to bring SA out of the stone ages and he is met w resistance. Good for him for trying to transform a nation and bring them into the 14th century. Fuck Erdogan Fuck old guard SA and fuck this terrorist too. Not our country not our citizen not our problem for those waiting for some US apology. Now where is the outrage for #OurSassy?

you think MBS is smashing wahabism>? thats some funny shit, his rule depends on the wahabis clerics. whether in Yemen or in Syria Saudi is financing and teaming up with the worst type of wahabi terrorists you can imagine. he's not a reformer he's a tyrant and worse, he is an incompetent dictator. even his allowing woman to drive was done so badly that it turned into a propaganda nightmare instead of a propaganda win. thinking this guy will stop Saudis supporting terrorist ideology (wahabism) is a dream. if he was at least competent it be one thing, but he's a train wreck of a leader and the longer the al Saud family leaves him the reins of power the harder it will be to fix the damage after they finally do get rid of him.

igrowone · Oct 18, 2018

these days SA oil has become practically non issue
SA embargo? world oil contracts get reshuffled, supply chain gets reworked
the oil just gets relabelled. pretty much amounts to a fart in a bathtub

Badfishy1 · Oct 18, 2018

-isn’t smashing Wahhabism
-kills Wahhabism supporter
Pick one
-rains of power
-reigns of power
Pick one

gaiusmarius · Oct 18, 2018

Badfishy1 said:
-isn’t smashing Wahhabism
-kills Wahhabism supporter
Pick one
-rains of power
-reigns of power
Pick one

why do i got to choose, 1 wahabi killing another wahabi isn't revolutionary. in the end we still haven't seen evidence about what happened in this case. we also don't have evidence that he wants to stop financing terrorism in Syria, Yemen, Chechnya, Somalia etc. so far it looks like he is using terrorism as an excuse for committing war crimes in Yemen and financing them in Syria

as for the second multiple choice option, rain corrected to reign, thanks for the heads up.

Gypsy Nirvana · Oct 18, 2018

I think that you will find that the Saudi's have been funding terrorism in many other countries too gaius -

Saudi Arabia largest funder of extremism in UK, report finds

Report calls for public inquiry into Gulf funding of British extremism
Wed, Jul 5, 2017,

The report finds Saudi individuals and foundations have been ‘heavily involved in exporting an illiberal, bigoted Wahhabi ideology’.

Foreign funding for extremism in Britain primarily comes from Saudi Arabia, but the UK government should set up a public inquiry into all the funding sources from across the Gulf, a new report by the Henry Jackson Society has said.

The report also calls for the government to consider requiring UK religious institutions including mosques to reveal sources of overseas funding.

The findings come as Theresa May faces pressure to publish the government’s own report into foreign funding of terrorism.

The Home Office-led report was completed six months ago, and No 10 says ministers are still deciding whether to publish.

MPs nervous of upsetting strategic relations in the Gulf have also decided not to publish a separate Foreign Office strategy paper on the region.

Saudi Arabia is likely to be angered by the findings since its dispute with Qatar has largely been based on the accusation that its Gulf rival is both the primary funder of terrorism overseas and harbours terrorists that support the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas.

The report claims: “Saudi Arabia has, since the 1960s, sponsored a multimillion dollar effort to export Wahhabi Islam across the Islamic world, including to Muslim communities in the west.

“In the UK, this funding has primarily taken the form of endowments to mosques and Islamic educational institutions, which have in turn played host to extremist preachers and the distribution of extremist literature.

“Influence has also been exerted through the training of British Muslim religious leaders in Saudi Arabia, as well as the use of Saudi textbooks in a number of the UK’s independent Islamic schools.”

It adds: “A number of Britain’s most serious Islamist hate preachers sit within the Salafi-Wahhabi ideology and are linked to extremism sponsored from overseas, either by having studied in Saudi Arabia as part of scholarship programmes, or by having been provided with extreme literature and material within the UK itself.”

Apart from an official public inquiry into the funding of terrorism, the report calls for the government’s planned new commission for countering extremism to address the financing of extremism from overseas.

Illiberal and bigoted

Tom Wilson, a fellow at the Centre for the Response to Radicalisation and Terrorism at the society - and author of the report, said:

“While countries from across the Gulf and Iran have been guilty of advancing extremism, Saudi Arabia is undoubtedly at the top of the list.

“Research indicates that some Saudi individuals and foundations have been heavily involved in exporting an illiberal, bigoted Wahhabi ideology. So it is ironic, to say the least, that Saudi Arabia is singling out Qatar for links to extremism when it has patently failed to get its own house in order.”

The report argues that although Saudi leaders have acknowledged the need to rein in some of the funding of extremism, including by setting up a counter extremism centre this year, the level of funding of Wahhabism has been on the increase.

It claims in 2007 Saudi Arabia was estimated to be spending at least $2bn annually on promoting Wahhabism worldwide. By 2015 that figure was believed to have doubled.

The impact of this increased spending may well have been felt in Britain: in 2007, estimates put the number of mosques in Britain adhering to Salafism and Wahhabism at 68.

Seven years later, the number of British mosques identified with Wahhabism had risen to 110.

It argues that Saudi Islamic charitable groups have tended to fund Wahhabist ideology. Some of Britain’s most prominent extremist preachers such as Abu Qatada, Abu Hamza, Abdullah al Faisal and Shiekh Omar Bakri have all sat within what can be described as a broadly Wahhabi/Salafi ideology, the report says.

In 2014, it was estimated that Britain’s Salafi Mosques had a collective capacity for a 44,994-strong membership.

The report by no means exclusively blames Saudi - pointing out that the Qatari-funded Al-Muntada Trust has been connected with a number of mosques where radicalisation has taken place.

Specifically, in the case of a group of young British men from Cardiff, it has been suggested that “attendance at the al-Muntada-linked Al-Manar Mosque was significant in their radicalisation and decision to travel to Syria and join the Islamic State”.

In Austria foreign funding of mosques has been banned, while in France a temporary ban was imposed.

Measures have also been considered in Germany, in the wake of a leaked intelligence report highlighting foreign funding of mosques by endowments close to the governments.

The report concludes: “The attempt by several states to influence Islamic communities and advance an illiberal - and at times anti-western - version of the Islamic religion appears to have been an intentional and systematic policy, with the level of funding allocated to this effort believed to have grown in recent years.

“While some of this financing appears to originate from private individuals and independent foundations, research by the German intelligence agencies and others has pointed to these foundations being closely linked to governments of several Gulf states.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...der-of-extremism-in-uk-report-finds-1.3144020

Cannavore · Oct 18, 2018

this isnt new information. the saudis are the #1 source of wahabbist mosques around the globe. they literally create terrorists as well as finance them. they are the #1 state sponsor of terrorism and they happen to be one of the US's top allies. US supports 75% of the worlds dictatorships.

gaiusmarius · Oct 18, 2018

Gypsy Nirvana said:
I think that you will find that the Saudi's have been funding terrorism in many other countries too gaius -

Saudi Arabia largest funder of extremism in UK, report finds

Report calls for public inquiry into Gulf funding of British extremism
Wed, Jul 5, 2017,

The report finds Saudi individuals and foundations have been ‘heavily involved in exporting an illiberal, bigoted Wahhabi ideology’.

Foreign funding for extremism in Britain primarily comes from Saudi Arabia, but the UK government should set up a public inquiry into all the funding sources from across the Gulf, a new report by the Henry Jackson Society has said.

The report also calls for the government to consider requiring UK religious institutions including mosques to reveal sources of overseas funding.

The findings come as Theresa May faces pressure to publish the government’s own report into foreign funding of terrorism.

The Home Office-led report was completed six months ago, and No 10 says ministers are still deciding whether to publish.

MPs nervous of upsetting strategic relations in the Gulf have also decided not to publish a separate Foreign Office strategy paper on the region.

Saudi Arabia is likely to be angered by the findings since its dispute with Qatar has largely been based on the accusation that its Gulf rival is both the primary funder of terrorism overseas and harbours terrorists that support the Muslim Brotherhood or Hamas.

The report claims: “Saudi Arabia has, since the 1960s, sponsored a multimillion dollar effort to export Wahhabi Islam across the Islamic world, including to Muslim communities in the west.

“In the UK, this funding has primarily taken the form of endowments to mosques and Islamic educational institutions, which have in turn played host to extremist preachers and the distribution of extremist literature.

“Influence has also been exerted through the training of British Muslim religious leaders in Saudi Arabia, as well as the use of Saudi textbooks in a number of the UK’s independent Islamic schools.”

It adds: “A number of Britain’s most serious Islamist hate preachers sit within the Salafi-Wahhabi ideology and are linked to extremism sponsored from overseas, either by having studied in Saudi Arabia as part of scholarship programmes, or by having been provided with extreme literature and material within the UK itself.”

Apart from an official public inquiry into the funding of terrorism, the report calls for the government’s planned new commission for countering extremism to address the financing of extremism from overseas.

Illiberal and bigoted

Tom Wilson, a fellow at the Centre for the Response to Radicalisation and Terrorism at the society - and author of the report, said:

“While countries from across the Gulf and Iran have been guilty of advancing extremism, Saudi Arabia is undoubtedly at the top of the list.

“Research indicates that some Saudi individuals and foundations have been heavily involved in exporting an illiberal, bigoted Wahhabi ideology. So it is ironic, to say the least, that Saudi Arabia is singling out Qatar for links to extremism when it has patently failed to get its own house in order.”

The report argues that although Saudi leaders have acknowledged the need to rein in some of the funding of extremism, including by setting up a counter extremism centre this year, the level of funding of Wahhabism has been on the increase.

It claims in 2007 Saudi Arabia was estimated to be spending at least $2bn annually on promoting Wahhabism worldwide. By 2015 that figure was believed to have doubled.

The impact of this increased spending may well have been felt in Britain: in 2007, estimates put the number of mosques in Britain adhering to Salafism and Wahhabism at 68.

Seven years later, the number of British mosques identified with Wahhabism had risen to 110.

It argues that Saudi Islamic charitable groups have tended to fund Wahhabist ideology. Some of Britain’s most prominent extremist preachers such as Abu Qatada, Abu Hamza, Abdullah al Faisal and Shiekh Omar Bakri have all sat within what can be described as a broadly Wahhabi/Salafi ideology, the report says.

In 2014, it was estimated that Britain’s Salafi Mosques had a collective capacity for a 44,994-strong membership.

The report by no means exclusively blames Saudi - pointing out that the Qatari-funded Al-Muntada Trust has been connected with a number of mosques where radicalisation has taken place.

Specifically, in the case of a group of young British men from Cardiff, it has been suggested that “attendance at the al-Muntada-linked Al-Manar Mosque was significant in their radicalisation and decision to travel to Syria and join the Islamic State”.

In Austria foreign funding of mosques has been banned, while in France a temporary ban was imposed.

Measures have also been considered in Germany, in the wake of a leaked intelligence report highlighting foreign funding of mosques by endowments close to the governments.

The report concludes: “The attempt by several states to influence Islamic communities and advance an illiberal - and at times anti-western - version of the Islamic religion appears to have been an intentional and systematic policy, with the level of funding allocated to this effort believed to have grown in recent years.

“While some of this financing appears to originate from private individuals and independent foundations, research by the German intelligence agencies and others has pointed to these foundations being closely linked to governments of several Gulf states.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/wor...der-of-extremism-in-uk-report-finds-1.3144020

i said etc, couldn't be bothered to list them all.

Elmer Bud · Oct 18, 2018

Storm Shadow said:
https://www.rt.com/news/441607-alleged-hitteam-member-dies/

Suspected member of Khashoggi ‘hit-team’ dies in mysterious ‘traffic accident’ in Saudi Arabia

^^^^

On Wednesday, it was reported that the consul-general returned to Saudi Arabia on October 16, before authorities searched his residence as part of their investigations.

In reports of an unreleased recording documenting Khashoggi's alleged murder and dismemberment, Otaibi is believed to have said "do it somewhere else outside or I will be in trouble," to Khashoggi's interrogators.

He was reportedly told to “shut up if you want to live when you are back in Saudi Arabia.”

Gypsy Nirvana · Oct 18, 2018

I thought readers might want a bit of background on Wahhabi'ism and why the Saudi's are so hellbent on spreading it all over the world - with the aid of western politicians particularly.

Cannavore said:
this isnt new information. the saudis are the #1 source of wahabbist mosques around the globe. they literally create terrorists as well as finance them. they are the #1 state sponsor of terrorism and they happen to be one of the US's top allies. US supports 75% of the worlds dictatorships.

Midnight Tokar · Oct 19, 2018

Badfishy1 said:
-isn’t smashing Wahhabism
-kills Wahhabism supporter
Pick one
-rains of power
-reigns of power
Pick one

Ummm, that would actually be Reins of Power!
You know like horse reins, "free rein" is akin to letting go of the reins to let the horse go where it likes.

You're Welcome!

Badfishy1 · Oct 19, 2018

Midnight Tokar said:
Ummm, that would actually be Reins of Power!
You know like horse reins, "free rein" is akin to letting go of the reins to let the horse go where it likes.

Your Welcome!

Unless used as a verb. Check it out. Pretty interesting

gaiusmarius · Oct 19, 2018

roflmao, looks like i have to edit again, thanks guys.

Elmer Bud · Oct 19, 2018

gaiusmarius said:
roflmao, looks like i have to edit again, thanks guys.

G `day Gaius

Yes the spell checker wouldn`t detect it . lol .
My spelling has improved immeasurably since the spell checker . Words I used to spell incorrectly since 5 years old ! lol .

But the Americanised English can get a bit bitchy . It wants zeds instead of esses all the time . I go with the UK English versions . Oh color and colour too...

Thanks for sharin

EB .

gaiusmarius · Oct 19, 2018

did you guys read about the 400k Saudi is sending the US? they also donated 100k to the Kurdish rebuilding fund. MBS knows one thing, money talks!

Elmer Bud · Oct 19, 2018

Gypsy Nirvana said:
I thought readers might want a bit of background on Wahhabi'ism and why the Saudi's are so hellbent on spreading it all over the world - with the aid of western politicians particularly.

G `day Gypsy

The Wahabists came to light in Oz after the bombs in Bali Indonesia .
Those guys went to a Saudi sponsored school in Indo .

The Jews have their own little thing called the Chabad Lubovitch
Donald`s son in law is deep in there . That`s why he`s so cozy with Bibi and MBS .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

mean mr.mustard · Oct 19, 2018

AM radio gives many a home, a club, and a sense of belonging.

Badfishy1 · Oct 19, 2018

stadanko said:
Man you've got all those pro-MbS pro-Putin pro-Boris pro-Trump pro-autocracy talking points down to a tee. Could you explain from a personal standpoint what drives your opinions and how this anti-democracy pro-strongman political system benefits you personally?

Actually, trumps Chinese tariffs personally HURT me. On the other hand, whether you like it or not, trump is president, she LOST. Secondly, I don’t support open borders, nor the absolute degeneracy pushed by the left. As far as muh Russia is concerned, the big bad Russians is a bullshit push by the MSM when convenient. Never a problem as Clinton and company were selling out the country during U1. Last but not least I love mining salt through liberal tears! I don’t believe in PC culture, I don’t believe in safe spaces, I don’t want my children raised in a culture with 6 gorillion pronouns. Watching liberals squeal like school girls Bc muh trump in mean (literally nothing else) is beautiful. Personally I love living in a safe country with a strong economy. I understand you want socialism, but nazi Germany collapsed a half century ago. Want more in life? Work harder and keep your hands out of my wallet. Try Venezuela, I think they are taking immigrants. And the revisionist history of the Democrats being for minorities is appalling. Literally started the klan, voted against black/women’s rights etc. Want to see liberal politics at work take a walk through Chicago and let me know if you make it out. Your boys Hussein and Rahm have done the ‘black community’ a solid. No apology here kid

armedoldhippy · Oct 19, 2018

Cannavore said:
this isnt new information. the saudis are the #1 source of wahabbist mosques around the globe. they literally create terrorists as well as finance them. they are the #1 state sponsor of terrorism and they happen to be one of the US's top allies. US supports 75% of the worlds dictatorships.

the Saudis signed a deal with the devil YEARS ago. they struck a Faustian bargain with the fundamentalist preachers to allow their madrassas to flourish in Saudi Arabia on one condition - no terror attacks IN Saudi Arabia. given a foothold there in fertile soil with oil-rich private citizens footing their bills, they have spread like kudzu. yeah, our govt has a real soft spot for dictators. they are more reliable allies than democratically elected leaders that have voters to answer to...lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

944s2 · Oct 19, 2018

Gypsy Nirvana said:
I thought readers might want a bit of background on Wahhabi'ism and why the Saudi's are so hellbent on spreading it all over the world - with the aid of western politicians particularly.

And just when it couldnt get any worse,,,
then today Anjem Chowdery was released,,,,,
I may have spelt this dogs name wrong but brits will know who he is as will a lot of Europe and Usa members i imagine,,,,,,,
i know he was due release soon but it still sickens me to see him back on the street ,,,,,s2

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